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Sans vs. Twilight Sparkle

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Assaltwaffle said:
@Lightbuster

"Restrain?" Her TK is so far above him that he just disintegrates.
I mean San's attacks, Twilight Tp's in front of him, and blasts him point blank, Goku style. She did it twice in her fight against Tirek...which us actually pretty smart in terms of "fast paced combat" thinking.

I vote on who hits 1st, either San's hit's and does huge damage, or Twily teleports and blasts him.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
@Azzy
I am aware of Sans' tendency to go all-out immediately. I'm just saying that she has an amazing advantage over Sans that he has never faced with Teleportation. How exactly is she very very prone to making mistakes? Not being a master combatant is fine, but acting like she is a fish out of water in a hostile engagement is a bit misleading.

If Twilight is getting wounded grievously why wouldn't she lash out? Sans may hit her, but that will put her in dire straights to the point that she will use TK or really anything she has. That "anything" kills him billions of billions of times over.
...Because she is? This is a big part of Twilight's character. Not like "oops I ****** up and everyone is dead", but making smaller mistakes and learning from them. The issue is that she won't have time to learn here. Sans (who has teleportation and is a lot more willing to use it) having "never faced with teleportation" is about as real of an advantage as "Twilight has never fought a guy who used bones, before".

"If Twilight is getting wounded grievous why wouldn't she lash out?"

She almost certainly would. The point is it wouldn't be in time. You're acting like Twilight goes "Ow, I'm hurt. Better pull out the proper solution, now". This is so far from "Twilight Sparkle" I don't think I could even consider these the actions of the same character. She needs time to think things through or come to a proper conclusion, and Sans isn't going to give her that time.

Of course, we could go down the route of "lol Sans' soul poison is like town level so it won't kill Twilight fast enough", but this is so wrong that it's not even worth entertaining.

If we're going to turn this into a "who strikes first" battle, I can 100% guarantee you that it's going to be the guy whose fighting style revolves around beginning the fight with a massive sucker punch and not Twilight. Hell, "Pretending to surrender and then offing you" is an actual part of his moveset.
 
@Azzy

I give you that she dies after a couple seconds. But it would be instinctual to get out danger within the first 0.3 seconds. If she is harmed and feels threatened teleporting out and striking is going to be natural.

I can see Twilight being grievously wounded by Sans, but not losing to him.

(On a side note how did Broly lose to Sans?)
 
@Assalt

I think it was because of either

A. The VERY OLD KR argument (Sins stuff)

B. Broly likes to tank attacks
 
@Assalt

Teleporting away Isn't going to stop the damage, though. That's the entire point of KARMA. This also implies she'll hit Sans before she dies, despite the fact that even without teleportation, Sans kind of relies on being incredibly good at dodging to not die constantly, and Twilight doesn't exactly break out the "how do I even dodge this?" stuff anywhere near the start of a fight.

"how did Broly lose to Sans?"

Because Broly is a character basically programmed from the very start to be vulnerable to someone like Sans' moveset and tactics (looking at you, Second Coming), unless he's out of character, in which case he just nukes the whole area, which Sans can't do shit about. That said, I think this was also back when KARMA was much less clearly defined, and I think should be removed or redone, at some point.
 
@Azzy

Teleporting away stops the immediate damage, not the DoT. But Sans' DoT isn't strong enough to one-shot someone over a light touch.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
@Azzy
Teleporting away stops the immediate damage, not the DoT. But Sans' DoT isn't strong enough to one-shot someone over a light touch.
You know as well as I do it's going to do a lot more than just "lightly touch" Twilight before she realizes she needs to teleport away.
 
Sans: 6 (Eternal Figure, Mariogoods, Steven, Apies, Azzy, Kaltias)

Twily: 6 (Lightbuster, Assalt, GokuSparkle, Aquawaifu, The Koitern, ShakeResounding)
 
Imma say why Twilight wins: Range. This Is sba which means Twilight starts with 4 kilometers to work with. Compare that to Sans with many meters. That's a terrible advantage for Twilight. She can easily shield against his attacks, or even counter with her own. His attacks only have multiversal durability Negation. Not ap, meaning her attacks absolutely crash through his.

She is more than capable of dodging with very little time, teleporting into her house, and teleporting agai with her owl (can't spell the name), in the time it took her to view a relativistic blast coming towards her.

Twilight loves playing the range game. And starting with 4 km of space means San's has no way to reach her, outside of the dodgeable GB and maybe blue mode. Maybe. And even at a few meters, the first thing Twilight will do is likely to fly into the sky where Sans can't hit.

Ultimately. What does Sans in is his own fighting style vs Twilight's range. Sans dodges by moving to the side, and taunting his opponents for trying. This may work in a turn based rpg, but once Chara got sick of his crap and went "**** it" Sans ultimately set himself up to die. And against an opponent more than willing to not only dodge, but inturrupt his monologue and attacks over and over, he'll be doing the same thing here. Especially since dodging an exoloding beam the way he normally dodges, is not a good idea.
 
This is Alicorn Twilight tho.

"A few dozen meters with her magic | Likely far greater"
 
Because it was a cool gif.

I specified 4-B Alicorn Twilight in the OP.
 
Yeah, going with Twilight Fra.

Not only that, but Sans doesn't seem to have any experience fighting another person that can teleport at the same rate he can. Twilight does, most notably due to her combat with Starlight Glimmer. Not only did she repeatedly fight a person with a comparable pace to Sans (attacking her as soon as she exited the portal, etc.), but adjusted accordingly. Not only that, but Sans could very well tire out. Not too fast, certainly, but it's still a heavy factor if the fight goes on for longer than he would like.

If Twilight can adjust fast enough to Sans' style of combat, then she pulls through. I'm positive she could.
 
Aight then. We can close this thread. I'm just glad we managed to pull out an inconclusive. Not as good as a win, but hella better than another loss.
 
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