Sans vs Golden Freddy

[VIZION99]

i see. Then, after careful consideration, i'd like to vote for sans

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[CastoriceTheFifth]

and theres no grace anymore lol

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Your points are great though there are other things worth mentioning.

Yes, thanks.

Knowing a character's feeling and EXP is very different from sensing a character's presence. It honest help that fact Golden Freddy's nature is very different from Frisk since he may not even have EXP for Sans to notice. Even if Golden Freddy were to somehow have it, it is still very questionable if that would help Sans notice Golden Freddy.

Although they are different things, Sans being able to sense feelings means he could try deducing the location of a character he senses the feelings of. This could be one of those new tactics we haven't seen before that I had mentioned.

Since Golden Freddy has prior knowledge on Sans. He would know that Sans can easily kill him so he won't mess around, just go for the kill. You even said it yourself, both Sans and Golden Freddy would have to come up with new tactics never seen before.

You're right. Due to how fast Golden Freddy attacked in the clip I linked, I had thought it would benefit Golden Freddy's case for me to apply that exact tactic he used, but in doing so, I forgot about the new tactics Golden Freddy would use to adapt to Sans based on prior knowledge. Sorry.

Sans's instinctive action is not very good. It allowed him to dodge while sleeping but it did not did help him dodge the attack after that. This means Golden Freddy can still easily catch Sans off guard.

• I only brought up instinctive action to say Sans can act while not seeing and while not conscious. It's important because Freddy Fazbear's pizzeria is a dark environment and Golden Freddy's main ability affects Sans' consciousness. If Sans didn't have this ability, he'd be a lot worse off. It's easy for me to imagine Golden Freddy thinking Sans wouldn't be able to dodge an attack from behind under the circumstances, but then Sans would succeed at doing so and then counterattack.
• By the way, Sans didn't expect Frisk to attack him a second time because game mechanics are canon in Undertale and Frisk is normally only allowed to attack once before it's the enemy's turn again, so while there isn't proof Sans is good at dodging multiple attacks in quick succession, Sans having failed to dodge twice in that scene isn't exactly something that reflects his expectable dodging prowess.

 

[VIZION99]

Although they are different things, Sans being able to sense feelings means he could try deducing the location of a character he senses the feelings of. This could be one of those new tactics we haven't seen before that I had mentioned.

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You're right. Due to how fast Golden Freddy attacked in the clip I linked, I had thought it would benefit Golden Freddy's case for me to apply that exact tactic he used, but in doing so, I forgot about the new tactics Golden Freddy would use to adapt to Sans based on prior knowledge. Sorry.

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• I only brought up instinctive action to say Sans can act while not seeing and while not conscious. It's important because Freddy Fazbear's pizzeria is a dark environment and Golden Freddy's main ability affects Sans' consciousness. If Sans didn't have this ability, he'd be a lot worse off. It's easy for me to imagine Golden Freddy thinking Sans wouldn't be able to dodge an attack from behind under the circumstances, but then Sans would succeed at doing so and then counterattack.
• By the way, Sans didn't expect Frisk to attack him a second time because game mechanics are canon in Undertale and Frisk is normally only allowed to attack once before it's the enemy's turn again, so while there isn't proof Sans is good at dodging multiple attacks in quick succession, Sans having failed to dodge twice in that scene isn't exactly something that reflects his expectable dodging prowess.

Sans can't dodge mind hax.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

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Nice.

Sans can't dodge mind hax.

I meant Sans would dodge Golden Freddy's head zooming towards him. Does the mind hax lessen the further the target is away from Golden Freddy, or would Sans have to be completely out of the range for a difference to be had?

 

[VIZION99]

Nice.

I meant Sans would dodge Golden Freddy's head zooming towards him. Does the mind hax lessen the further the target is away from Golden Freddy, or would Sans have to be completely out of the range for a difference to be had?

Golden Freddy has Tens of Meters with illusions in his range which seems to imply his mind hax has no connection to the distance with his target. Golden Freddy appearing as a head seems more of jumpscare tactic than something connected to his mind hax.

 

[OrangeFR]

It’s absolutely absurd how people aren’t even reading Golden Freddy’s page here, his Pain Manip was so powerful it caused Ralph to experience pain so great it rendered him nearly unable to think. There is no way, shape, or form Sans is going to be able to do ANYTHING at all during it. And Golden Freddy’s pain manip is the same attack as his mind manip which people have said is “just a little headache”. It was painful reading all of these messages of people just making assumptions about FNAF stuff and not even bothering to read the page. Golden Freddy just teleports in front of Sans and kills him. Voting Yellow Bear

 

[VIZION99]

It’s absolutely absurd how people aren’t even reading Golden Freddy’s page here, his Pain Manip was so powerful it caused Ralph to experience pain so great it rendered him nearly unable to think. There is no way, shape, or form Sans is going to be able to do ANYTHING at all during it. And Golden Freddy’s pain manip is the same attack as his mind manip which people have said is “just a little headache”. It was painful reading all of these messages of people just making assumptions about FNAF stuff and not even bothering to read the page. Golden Freddy just teleports in front of Sans and kills him. Voting Yellow Bear

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[VIZION99]

Now is grace

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Golden Freddy has Tens of Meters with illusions in his range which seems to imply his mind hax has no connection to the distance with his target. Golden Freddy appearing as a head seems more of jumpscare tactic than something connected to his mind hax.

Alright, that makes sense. In that case, this match seems to be a "who shoots first?" one like some other people wrote a lot earlier in the thread, so my vote for the match being inconclusive will remain.

It’s absolutely absurd how people aren’t even reading Golden Freddy’s page here, his Pain Manip was so powerful it caused Ralph to experience pain so great it rendered him nearly unable to think. There is no way, shape, or form Sans is going to be able to do ANYTHING at all during it. And Golden Freddy’s pain manip is the same attack as his mind manip which people have said is “just a little headache”. It was painful reading all of these messages of people just making assumptions about FNAF stuff and not even bothering to read the page. Golden Freddy just teleports in front of Sans and kills him. Voting Yellow Bear

I find your review of this thread's events disingenuous. The only person who used the word "headache" to refer to Golden Freddy's mind hax was me, yet I never downplayed it as "just a little" one like you falsely accuse me of doing. I imagined the headache as severe as it is, causing pain from the stinging repetition of "it's me" as if it's a swarm of wasps made of that phrase, while illusions happen such as the one from the original FNAF where split second visions of the animatronic heads startle the target. The word "headache," along with the phrase "mind hax," was my way of shortening what Golden Freddy can do so I won't have to write 42 words to describe the headache / mind hax every time I refer to it. I described Sans as having literal superpowers that might be able to let him perform better than the superpowerless Ralph against Golden Freddy's mind hax, yet I still considered Golden Freddy's mind hax as a win condition against Sans, so it should've been obvious to you that my usage of the word "headache" wasn't referring to "just a little" realistic non-lethal headache. I did in fact read Golden Freddy's page, and my first reply in this thread even includes a question about something on the Remnant page that some other people forgot to read at the beginning of the thread.

 

[OrangeFR]

Alright, that makes sense. In that case, this match seems to be a "who shoots first?" one like some other people wrote a lot earlier in the thread, so my vote for the match being inconclusive will remain.

I find your review of this thread's events disingenuous. The only person who used the word "headache" to refer to Golden Freddy's mind hax was me, yet I never downplayed it as "just a little" one like you falsely accuse me of doing. I imagined the headache as severe as it is, causing pain from the stinging repetition of "it's me" as if it's a swarm of wasps made of that phrase, while illusions happen such as the one from the original FNAF where split second visions of the animatronic heads startle the target. The word "headache," along with the phrase "mind hax," was my way of shortening what Golden Freddy can do so I won't have to write 42 words to describe the headache / mind hax every time I refer to it. I described Sans as having literal superpowers that might be able to let him perform better than the superpowerless Ralph against Golden Freddy's mind hax, yet I still considered Golden Freddy's mind hax as a win condition against Sans, so it should've been obvious to you that my usage of the word "headache" wasn't referring to "just a little" realistic non-lethal headache. I did in fact read Golden Freddy's page, and my first reply in this thread even included asking something about the Remnant page that some other people forgot to read at the beginning of the thread.

My bad, that was supposed to be more addressing people in general saying that sans could still attack during it. I didn’t mean for it to be a specific insult to you, that was just the immediate example I thought of. It seemed a lot like people didn’t bother to read the exact wording and misinterpreted the ability. I also didn’t mean not remember who said the headache thing so I didn’t know that you specifically contradicted my statement. Sorry about all of this.

 

[VIZION99]

Can this be added now?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

My bad, that was supposed to be more addressing people in general saying that sans could still attack during it. I didn’t mean for it to be a specific insult to you, that was just the immediate example I thought of. It seemed a lot like people didn’t bother to read the exact wording and misinterpreted the ability. I also didn’t mean not remember who said the headache thing so I didn’t know that you specifically contradicted my statement. Sorry about all of this.

Thanks for clarifying. I see what you mean. It's alright now.

Can this be added now?

Has it been 24 hours since the last vote for Golden Freddy winning?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

ok I think this can be added now