Sans vs Golden Freddy

[VIZION99]

Also i just gotta ask at this point;

If golden freddy already had all this going for them, why did you give them prior knowledge? It seems like they'd act like this regardless.

Because Golden Freddy will realize how that Sans can one shot him so he will try to stay out of sight more and to use his mind hax to quickly kill him.

 

[Comiphorous]

Because Golden Freddy will realize how that Sans can one shot him so he will try to stay out of sight more and to use his mind hax to quickly kill him.

Is that not what you've been arguing it'd do anyways???

Either way, unless im remembering wrong doesn't golden freddy physically touch ralph before the mind hax kills him? If it has to do that to pull that off pretty sure the whole "going face to face and being oblitorated" thing becomes inevitable.

 

[VIZION99]

Is that not what you've been arguing it'd do anyways???

Either way, unless im remembering wrong doesn't golden freddy physically touch ralph before the mind hax kills him? If it has to do that to pull that off pretty sure the whole "going face to face and being oblitorated" thing becomes inevitable.

He did not, He screamed at Ralph but he did not directly touch him.

 

[Comiphorous]

He did not, He screamed at Ralph but he did not directly touch him.

... So they'd do that here too? And that also would get them killed?

Like i feel like we're going back and forth and everytime i mention that Golden Freddy definitely gets in the face of the victim before going for the kill it's brushed off. Like it doesn't matter he has prior knowledge if that's something Golden Freddy does in character it'll do that here (ofc exceptions to that rule but here it definitely is something it'd do here)

If Golden Freddy is a theatrical nerd and wants to get in people's face before killing, it dies here. very simple.

 

[VIZION99]

... So they'd do that here too? And that also would get them killed?

Like i feel like we're going back and forth and everytime i mention that Golden Freddy definitely gets in the face of the victim before going for the kill it's brushed off. Like it doesn't matter he has prior knowledge if that's something Golden Freddy does in character it'll do that here

If Golden Freddy is a theatrical nerd and wants to get in people's face before killing, it dies here. very simple.

Just because a character is in character doesn't mean that mindlessly do the same tactics while having prior knowledge. That is like saying a ****** character will still toy with their foe even though they have prior knowledge that that foe can one shot them.

 

[Comiphorous]

Just because a character is in character doesn't mean that mindlessly do the same tactics while having prior knowledge. That is like saying a ****** character will still toy with their foe even though they have prior knowledge that that foe can one shot them.

Let's count the times Golden Freddy decided to be a theatric nerd and get face to face with a victim;

Five Nights at Freddy's (Main threat method)

Five Nights at Freddy's 2 (Main threat method 2)

Five Nights at Freddy's 3 (Toys around with their murderer before scaring them into a suit to get themself killed)

The Week Before (Gets in the face screaming at Ralph before killing them. If i'd have to guess it likely does this several times in the book)

Im counting 4 (not counting repeats in the book) times it decided to do that, and i'd like to note this a majority of it's physical appearances in the series. If this is their main attack method, who would've guessed, chances are it is going to do that here.

 

[VIZION99]

You can count me for Frederick

I just realized you never explained why you voted so your vote is removed for now until you explain a reason for your vote.

 

[VIZION99]

Let's count the times Golden Freddy decided to be a theatric nerd and get face to face with a victim;

Five Nights at Freddy's (Main threat method)

Five Nights at Freddy's 2 (Main threat method 2)

Five Nights at Freddy's 3 (Toys around with their murderer before scaring them into a suit to get themself killed)

The Week Before (Gets in the face screaming at Ralph before killing them. If i'd have to guess it likely does this several times in the book)

Im counting 4 (not counting repeats in the book) times it decided to do that, and i'd like to note this a majority of it's physical appearances in the series. If this is their main attack method, who would've guessed, chances are it is going to do that here.

Those times, Golden Freddy faced humans. Since Golden Freddy is aware that Sans is a monster and knows that he could one shot. Golden Freddy will take Sans more seriously.

 

[Comiphorous]

Those times, Golden Freddy faced humans. Since Golden Freddy is aware that Sans is a monster and knows that he could one shot. Golden Freddy will take Sans more seriously.

William Afton literally tore apart his fellow dead children robot vessels not even 15 seconds after still ****** around with William are we fr rn?

Clearly either getting up and close is required for Golden Freddy or they really like doing it. either way they're doing it here unless you can show me a case of them slowly killing someone without physically being there (and even if you did, it'd be outweighed by the fact Golden Freddy more often than not gets close anyways)

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I don't see why there is so much arguing about whether or not Sans would land a hit. His first attack is to telekinetically grab the target's soul and slam it to the ground using a hand gesture, followed by causing bones to rise from the ground. Sans can't simply miss that because a headache is giving him bad aim, and Golden Freddy would need to engage in the battle rather than just sit on the floor. Shortly afterward a wall of bones gets sent the target's way, with a narrow passageway for the target to go through if they want to avoid getting hit. Finally, big Gaster Blasters shoot multiple times, covering most of the battlefield with their firing. As far as I'm aware, Golden Freddy has no feats of skillfully avoiding big attacks with small openings to dodge. Golden Freddy could teleport, but Sans wouldn't miss where his target once was.



Can Sans bypass Golden Freddy's immortality from the Remnant page? If Sans can't, would it even matter if he can do something to incapacitate Golden Freddy? How many seconds does it take for Golden Freddy to defeat someone with his mind hax?

 

[Comiphorous]

Can Sans bypass Golden Freddy's immortality from the Remnant page?

All of their immortalities really rely on their soul still existing which comes to be a problem when the soul is blown up with soul magic. So yes. their immortalities are largely useless here.

 

[VIZION99]

I don't see why there is so much arguing about whether or not Sans would land a hit. His first attack is to telekinetically grab the target's soul and slam it to the ground using a hand gesture, followed by causing bones to rise from the ground. Sans can't simply miss that because a headache is giving him bad aim, and Golden Freddy would need to engage in the battle rather than just sit on the floor. Shortly afterward a wall of bones gets sent the target's way, with a narrow passageway for the target to go through if they want to avoid getting hit. Finally, big Gaster Blasters shoot multiple times, covering most of the battlefield with their firing. As far as I'm aware, Golden Freddy has no feats of skillfully avoiding big attacks with small openings to dodge. Golden Freddy could teleport, but Sans wouldn't miss where his target once was.



Can Sans bypass Golden Freddy's immortality from the Remnant page? If Sans can't, would it even matter if he can do something to incapacitate Golden Freddy? How many seconds does it take for Golden Freddy to defeat someone with his mind hax?

Golden Freddy's hax is passive/thought based. Allowing him to attack first before Sans could telekinetically grab his soul.

 

[Comiphorous]

Golden Freddy's hax is passive/thought based. Allowing him to attack first before Sans could telekinetically grab his soul.

Apparently moving your hand down is slower than trying to kill someone by messing with their mind over an unknown portion of time.....

 

[VIZION99]

I don't see why there is so much arguing about whether or not Sans would land a hit. His first attack is to telekinetically grab the target's soul and slam it to the ground using a hand gesture, followed by causing bones to rise from the ground. Sans can't simply miss that because a headache is giving him bad aim, and Golden Freddy would need to engage in the battle rather than just sit on the floor. Shortly afterward a wall of bones gets sent the target's way, with a narrow passageway for the target to go through if they want to avoid getting hit. Finally, big Gaster Blasters shoot multiple times, covering most of the battlefield with their firing. As far as I'm aware, Golden Freddy has no feats of skillfully avoiding big attacks with small openings to dodge. Golden Freddy could teleport, but Sans wouldn't miss where his target once was.



Can Sans bypass Golden Freddy's immortality from the Remnant page? If Sans can't, would it even matter if he can do something to incapacitate Golden Freddy? How many seconds does it take for Golden Freddy to defeat someone with his mind hax?

Another thing worth noting is that because of Golden Freddy's stealth mastery. Sans has to go around the pizzeria to find Golden Freddy first in order to attack him. Golden Freddy is able to use his mind hax while out of sight.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Golden Freddy's hax is passive/thought based. Allowing him to attack first before Sans could telekinetically grab his soul.

How many seconds does it take for Golden Freddy to defeat someone with his mind hax?

All of their immortalities really rely on their soul still existing which comes to be a problem when the soul is blown up with soul magic. So yes. their immortalities are largely useless here.

Another thing worth noting is that because of Golden Freddy's stealth mastery. Sans has to go around the pizzeria to find Golden Freddy first in order to attack him. Golden Freddy is able to use his mind hax while out of sight.

Thanks. So, this battle comes down to whether or not Golden Freddy can avoid Sans' sight for long enough to defeat him with mind manipulation, and if a direct confrontation is initiated, this battle comes down to whether or not Golden Freddy can teleport strategically to avoid Sans' attacks altogether. This is pretty interesting, since Sans has never fought ghostly opponent and Golden Freddy has never fought an opponent like Sans before, meaning the combatants would need to come up with new strategies that we as the audience have never seen before. It's clear to me that Sans is the more strategic combatant. Golden Freddy might be able to figure something clever out with the prior knowledge given to him, but that shouldn't be a reason to believe he'd totally outsmart Sans, when there is information about Sans' intelligence that puts him far above Golden Freddy's level. Sans' countermeasure against Frisk's time traveling was to make them quit out of boredom by making his fight as difficult as he possibly could and by breaking the rules of the game, meanwhile Sans only needs to defeat Golden Freddy once here, so Golden Freddy should be relatively easier to strategize against.

 

[VIZION99]

How many seconds does it take for Golden Freddy to defeat someone with his mind hax?

I am not sure though it seems to be kinda quick.

Thanks. So, this battle comes down to whether or not Golden Freddy can avoid Sans' sight for long enough to defeat him with mind manipulation, and if a direct confrontation is initiated, this battle comes down to whether or not Golden Freddy can teleport strategically to avoid Sans' attacks altogether. This is pretty interesting, since Sans has never fought ghostly opponent and Golden Freddy has never fought an opponent like Sans before, meaning the combatants would need to come up with new strategies that we as the audience have never seen before. It's clear to me that Sans is the more strategic combatant. Golden Freddy might be able to figure something clever out with the prior knowledge given to him, but that shouldn't be a reason to believe he'd totally outsmart Sans, when there is information about Sans' intelligence that puts him far above Golden Freddy's level. Sans' countermeasure against Frisk's time traveling was to make them quit out of boredom by making his fight as difficult as he possibly could and by breaking the rules of the game, meanwhile Sans only needs to defeat Golden Freddy once here, so Golden Freddy should be relatively easier to strategize against.

Is that a vote for Golden Freddy?

 

[Comiphorous]

I am not sure though it seems to be kinda quick.

Okay so call me crazy but is posting an image of Golden Freddy killing someone physically not very good evidence for the mind manipulation killing someone quickly, or at all in fact?

Has the mind manipulation alone even killed Ralph? I feel like theres been lies strung in this thread now.

 

[VIZION99]

Okay so call me crazy but is posting an image of Golden Freddy killing someone physically not very good evidence for the mind manipulation killing someone quickly, or at all in fact?

Has the mind manipulation alone even killed Ralph? I feel like theres been lies strung in this thread now.

Go look at Golden Freddy's profile. His mind manipulation is considered durability negation.

 

[VIZION99]

Okay so call me crazy but is posting an image of Golden Freddy killing someone physically not very good evidence for the mind manipulation killing someone quickly, or at all in fact?

Has the mind manipulation alone even killed Ralph? I feel like theres been lies strung in this thread now.

Also, Golden Freddy did not physically attacked, he just screamed in Ralph's face.

 

[Comiphorous]

Go look at Golden Freddy's profile. His mind manipulation is considered durability negation.

Yeah and what was the time frame to have it build up like that to kill ralph? I can't imagine it was very fast...

Also, Golden Freddy did not physically attacked, he just screamed in Ralph's face.

Yeah then killed him are we aware of what series we're talking about?

 

[VIZION99]

Yeah and what was the time frame to have it build up like that to kill ralph? I can't imagine it was very fast...

I know it's not very fast but it is clearly not slow either. The time frame is not very clear, though it feels kinda decently quick but I am not fully sure.

Yeah then killed him are we aware of what series we're talking about?

This is different. In the the freddy before books. When the animatronics caught Ralph, it is mentioned how they killed him. For Golden Freddy. He just screamed in Raplh's face, and Ralph dropped on the floor before dying.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I am not sure though it seems to be kinda quick.

Upon reading that, I get the impression the time frame is decent. Would you say it's 10 seconds?

Is that a vote for Golden Freddy?

It's not a vote for either of the combatants, but I was describing the match as close, though Sans being more likely to outsmart Golden Freddy when there aren't illusions. If I must vote right now, I'd vote for the match being inconclusive.

 

[VIZION99]

Upon reading that, I get the impression the time frame is decent. Would you say it's 10 seconds?

It's not a vote for either of the combatants, but I was describing the match as close, though Sans being more likely to outsmart Golden Freddy when there aren't illusions. If I must vote right now, I'd vote for the match being inconclusive.

I mean you don't need to vote now. You can think about it but for now, I will count your vote as inconclusive if you want.

 

[Comiphorous]

I know it's not very fast but it is clearly not slow either. The time frame is not very clear, though it feels kinda decently quick but I am not fully sure.

The problem is that we only have one page. what happens before then? how many pages is Ralph affected by Golden Freddy?

This is different. In the the freddy before books. When the animatronics caught Ralph, it is mentioned how they killed him. For Golden Freddy. He just screamed in Raplh's face, and Ralph dropped on the floor before dying.

Thats not implied on the page sent at all. where are you getting that info?

 

[VIZION99]

The problem is that we only have one page. what happens before then? how many pages is Ralph affected by Golden Freddy?

2 pages

Thats not implied on the page sent at all. where are you getting that info?

Here, Here, and here. It mentions how the animatronics kill Ralph. Golden Freddy simply screamed in his face.

 

[Comiphorous]

2 pages

I think you messed up cuz thats one page.

Here, Here, and here. It mentions how the animatronics kill Ralph. Golden Freddy simply screamed in his face.

"Golden Freddy puts his hands on either side of your head." Yeah what do you think Golden Freddy did there?

 

[VIZION99]

I think you messed up cuz thats one page.

Oh, ok but nothing suggests it would be any longer than that.

"Golden Freddy puts his hands on either side of your head." Yeah what do you think Golden Freddy did there?

Yeah, you are right, I overlooked that detail. But it's clearly listed as mind manipulation in his profile.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I'll vote for G!Freddy because of his abundant hax even though i really, really want sans to win

 

[VIZION99]

I'll vote for G!Freddy because of his abundant hax even though i really, really want sans to win

counted

 

[VIZION99]

Grace

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Correct me if I'm wrong but i think this MIGHT be a mismatch, Sans is in 9-A tier while Golden Freddy is only in the 9-C and 9-B tiers.

Seems like you’re new to sans matchups. Sans stalemated Zeno here for some reason

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Seems like you’re new to sans matchups. Sans stalemated Zeno here for some reason

Yeah, i'm a sans glazer and even I'm concerned how that happened

 

[LightSoul8]

Yeah, you are right, I overlooked that detail. But it's clearly listed as mind manipulation in his profile.

It is dura-negging Mind Manip, don't get me wrong, but GF screams and puts his hands on the opponent's head before killing them, so it's not instant. For what it's worth, Sans will be staggered by the screaming, but it's really just a question of if Sans can pull off an attack while having his thoughts flooded with "ITSME" and staggering to the ground. If so, he probably wins. If not, Golden Freddy probably wins. Until we figure that out, I'm neutral here.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I mean you don't need to vote now. You can think about it but for now, I will count your vote as inconclusive if you want.

Yes, please count me as inconclusive for now, and I'll switch my vote if I'm convinced one of the combatants is more likely to win.

 

[VIZION99]

Yes, please count me as inconclusive for now, and I'll switch my vote if I'm convinced one of the combatants is more likely to win.

counted

 

[VIZION99]

Yes, please count me as inconclusive for now, and I'll switch my vote if I'm convinced one of the combatants is more likely to win.

I also have a question. Since I added you vote. Does that reset the grace period?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I also have a question. Since I added you vote. Does that reset the grace period?

On our Versus Thread Rules page, it goes over how to decide a verdict, and its descriptions of deeming a match as inconclusive are on entirely separate bullet points than the ones going over how votes for characters counter each other and how there must be a minimum difference of 3 votes between the two sides, so voting for a match being inconclusive isn't counted in the same way as voting for characters, meaning the grace period is still going as far as I'm aware.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I forgot this... Sans is capable of sensing and knowing Frisk's Level of Violence, Execution Points, and feelings when the two meet in the Judgement Hall, which is listed as clairvoyance and extrasensory perception on Sans' profile, which would spell trouble for Golden Freddy trying to use stealth mastery and maybe even some kinds illusions. Sans should be able to use those abilities to sense a person's hidden presence, although he hasn't been directly shown doing that. Sans is also capable of dodging while asleep, so I don't think a headache would stop him from acting.

Despite all the discussion of Golden Freddy taking a long while to defeat target using mind hax, I saw a FNAF 2 clip of Golden Freddy taking less than two seconds to jumpscare the main character, and since Golden Freddy zoomed as only a head, there couldn't have been any physical grabbing. Golden Freddy did reveal himself for a split second in the flashlight's light beforehand though.

Based on the aforementioned details, I think Sans would come out on top. Sans' clairvoyance, extrasensory perception, and instinctive action, combined with Golden Freddy being willing to toy with his target before moving in for a swift kill, should allow Sans to be more than prepared to hit Golden Freddy upon discovering him. Does that seem right to you?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

i see. Then, after careful consideration, i'd like to vote for sans

 

[VIZION99]

I forgot this... Sans is capable of sensing and knowing Frisk's Level of Violence, Execution Points, and feelings when the two meet in the Judgement Hall, which is listed as clairvoyance and extrasensory perception on Sans' profile, which would spell trouble for Golden Freddy trying to use stealth mastery and maybe even some kinds illusions. Sans should be able to use those abilities to sense a person's hidden presence, although he hasn't been directly shown doing that. Sans is also capable of dodging while asleep, so I don't think a headache would stop him from acting.

Despite all the discussion of Golden Freddy taking a long while to defeat target using mind hax, I saw a FNAF 2 clip of Golden Freddy taking less than two seconds to jumpscare the main character, and since Golden Freddy zoomed as only a head, there couldn't have been any physical grabbing. Golden Freddy did reveal himself for a split second in the flashlight's light beforehand though.

Based on the aforementioned details, I think Sans would come out on top. Sans' clairvoyance, extrasensory perception, and instinctive action, combined with Golden Freddy being willing to toy with his target before moving in for a swift kill, should allow Sans to be more than prepared to hit Golden Freddy upon discovering him. Does that seem right to you?

Your points are great though there are other things worth mentioning.

Knowing a character's feeling and EXP is very different from sensing a character's presence. It honest help that fact Golden Freddy's nature is very different from Frisk since he may not even have EXP for Sans to notice. Even if Golden Freddy were to somehow have it, it is still very questionable if that would help Sans notice Golden Freddy.

Since Golden Freddy has prior knowledge on Sans. He would know that Sans can easily kill him so he won't mess around, just go for the kill. You even said it yourself, both Sans and Golden Freddy would have to come up with new tactics never seen before.

Sans's instinctive action is not very good. It allowed him to dodge while sleeping but it did not did help him dodge the attack after that. This means Golden Freddy can still easily catch Sans off guard.