Samurai Jack Downgrades

[Assaltwaffle]

After believing Samurai Jack's 7-C rating to be dubious based on the reasoning on his profiles, I decided to calc the feats that gave him this rating. Most of them shared a common problem: they were done over time and/or by multiple characters. That is not how we rank characters. We need them to do the damage in a single second or do it in one strike.

Calcing all the feats on his page that featured one-off attacks and durability feats, we find that Jack lands solidly in High 8-C. In fact, all three feats that hit High 8-C are within 35% of each other. Jack is very consistently on this level.

This would effect Jack himself, in addition to The Scotsma, Scotsman's Wife, Ashi, and anyone else I am forgetting that gets scaling from Jack.

TLDR: Jack's 7-C feats aren't 7-C, they are High 8-C. High 8-C is consistent, and Jack should be downgraded.

 

[Executor_N0]

It seems to me to be pretty clear, I agree with the downgrade.

 

[Kepekley23]

I also think the calcs are good and agree with the downgrades.

 

[Antoniofer]

There's seems to be a problem with linking in the OP. Also, what's the feat(s) that placed Jack's at 7-C again?

 

[Kepekley23]

Here.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I agree with the downgrades, as High 8-C seems pretty consistent and his 7-C feat is dubious at best

inb4 Jack vs Able (SCP-076)

 

[Assaltwaffle]

There's seems to be a problem with linking in the OP. Also, what's the feat(s) that placed Jack's at 7-C again?

They are in my calc. I fixed the link now.

 

[ALRF]

Seems gewdo to me~

 

[Antoniofer]

Welp, it seems to be everything in order and thus good, and I predicted jack being around that level long ago when they were hitted by those missiles (although not kinda).

 

[Ultima_Reality]

It is also consistent with his feat of surviving the explosion of a castle, if i recall correctly

 

[Kepekley23]

Castle feats can be as high as 8-A.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

If he has a castle surviving feat we could try to calc that. It depends on the castle size, but considering the camera distance Jack uses it may also be High 8-C.

Atm though they are NOT Town level and shouldn't be treated as such.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

We should probably close all battles involving 7-C Jack.


And start Jack vs Genji...

 

[WeeklyBattles]

More prey for 076 ovo

 

[Js250476]

It was Scotsman that survived the castle actually but Jack scales anyway so it doesn't really matter

 

[Ultima_Reality]

If i recall correctly, it was in that episode where he meets a Roman-esque army and gets left behind in a exploding castle

 

[Js250476]

Oh different feat then the one I was thinking of is in the episode with Scotsman's wife a castle falls on him at the end and he survives it

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Well, here's the feat

 

[Js250476]

Although on that subject we accept Jack's sunlight dodge feat https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/samurai-jack-more-on-dodging-light.36453/ is there a reason we don't use this?

 

[Ryukama]

I've been doubtful of 7-C Jack for quite a while now. I think downgrading him based upon these feats would be good. I'll update the pages if this gets accepted.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Well, here's the feat

I have no idea how to scale that, unfortunately. Looks like it could be anywhere from High 8-C to 8-A.

 

[Js250476]

https://youtu.be/6uwGrqdj97k 3:13 would this be worth calcing at all?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

https://youtu.be/6uwGrqdj97k 3:13 would this be worth calcing at all?

Well considering that it was just toppled from having its base destroyed instead of being scattered, probably not.

The KE of the pile of bones that hit The Scotsman wouldn't be that impressive either, considering how slowly that building came down.

 

[Js250476]

Figured but thanks for answering, only thing left I can think of is the sunlight dodge calc I posted above

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Figured but thanks for answering, only thing left I can think of is the sunlight dodge calc I posted above

Unless the movement is done by a Kaiju or other monster, or the character is directly stated to have power from speed, we don't use human character speed for KE. Most fictions don't equate high speed to high strength, or vice versa. They are generally treated as separate factors.

Also 1 Gigaton is pretty ridiculously above everything else ever shown in the series outside of Aku.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It works for people holding objects. But yeah that'd be an outlier.

 

[Js250476]

Well and The goddess of water,Nameless Evil,Cronus Ect But i think I get your point

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Well and The goddess of water,Nameless Evil,Cronus Ect But i think I get your point

Oh yeah, I forgot this verse has Cosmics... but yeah Jack doesn't scale to them at all.

 

[Js250476]

Well of course just pointing out Aku isn't the highest the series goes

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Yeah you're right about that.

Now back to the topic: Jack to High 8-C. The calcs have been accepted, and the castle explosion seems unquantifiably in Tier 8.

Are there any other heavy hitting feats that aren't outliers (looking at you, 1 Gigaton Jack) that need calcing? If not they are probably safe to be downgraded and all discussions using Town level Jack closed.

 

[SunGodAttun]

Is there any feat worth calcing in season 5?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Not sure. I don't remember any personally.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Aku's feat was pretty much it, I think.

And that doesn't matter for the most part.

 

[Js250476]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkanine/Samurai_Jack:_Akus_Crater Well Aku has this feat but I know Jack doesn't scale to Aku afaik Edit: ninjad

 

[Assaltwaffle]

So should we leave this open any longer? The calcs have been accepted by multiple calc members and I don't think we are forgetting anything that isn't a grievous outlier.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Well the downgrades have been made. Thank you for participating in this guys.