Something you don't understand.
No, it's just that Okaga's manga has no importance for Kurumada's work, that's why the author contradicts that manga when he published Zero.
This was before the publication of Zero and Kurumada's new works that contradict Okada's manga, therefore, it is now a parallel universe. Only Saintia Sho, which is the manga in which Kurumada contributed the most, is part of the main universe, but this did not even save this manga from an obligatory retcon by Kurumada to introduce the Lemur as Saga's second personality to his story.
retconnign a single fight (that appears in a flashback iirc), does not invalidate the entire manga, that again, is stated to be a prequel to classic.
It was shown Hades was trying to save the UW in his ethereal form which staved off the collapse causing the boarder between life and death to blurr. And yes. Assassins does take place in another universe, but it is heavily implied and even shown that the events of classic occurred to that version of Seiya. The only thing we know is that ND possibly didn't happen in that timeline.
No, retcons happen in just about every big franchise. unless you make Ikki awakening the 7th sense in Classic non-canon because he's sub light speed in ND
No, only assassins is it's own universe as it is stated to be a different time axis, something that is never stated with G.
Kurumada's contribution doesn't change the "amount of canonicity" the manga's have. They're all equal contributions to the franchise.
The Underworld in the main universe disappeared, there is no Hades' world of the dead, because the god disappeared forever. In Assassin, Hades fought to combat the effect of the black core, but the world of the dead still exists, because the god was not destroyed as in the original manga, that's why the story of this world is different (even Seiya does not mention Thanatos' name among the gods he fought in the past).
The protagonists never mastered the Seventh Sense, so their speed and power decrease with each new arc. Without the help of a Gold Cloth or God Cloth, they can only reach the power of a Gold Saint for a short period of time..
Okada's new manga (Requiem) continues the plot of Episode.G with Pontus, and also continues the plot of Assassin, that's why that world's version of Shion who lost his arms and eyesight when he used the Crystal Vortex appears. Episode.G universe is the same future world that appears in Assassin.
Shion is a dude my guy.....
It's because the idea of an Underworld for the multiverse doesn't make sense, even Matt never agreed with this idea in other topics in this forum.
I'll get the scans when I'm off work.
Should this also affect law manip, as it also goes into affect once entering the underworld?
That only affects 3 or more worlds in the underworld. I suppose it could in theory upscale if you involve some math, but im not a physicist lol
When someone dies their soul immediately leaves the body and enters into the "Dimension of Death/World of the Dead/Underworld" this is an instantaneous affect. These souls "Ascend up." (There is multiple other scans that say that too.) This happens instantly as death occurs. The soul is what goes into the Underworld as it is a place only souls go; minus the 8th sense and specters as those are special cases. Anyways, Hades created The Underworld as a means to punish mortals. In truth, mortals are supposed to reincarnate but because Hades created the Afterlife (The Underworld) he steals the souls of the dead and brings them to his Domain for punishment for their sins, crimes, etc. An example of Hades hax in affect is seeing the line of the dead walking further into the Underworld. As you can see no one is resisting, or fighting back. (the ones who do have special exceptions that are explained in verse such as an item, power, or divine protection.) That is because Hades "Divine Will" (A SS-Verse unique concept) permeates through the entire Underworld and they have been subjected to his will. (Here is another scan that says that).
Technically, it would still be baseline 2-A cosmology, from the new accepted additions clarified the tiering system Faq. Infinitely growing (infinite) is still a countable infinite; counterintuitively, countable infinite sets are the same size.
ah okay. I admit 2-A standards are confusing as they seem to constantly change twice a year anymore lol. Alright this is fine as well
He doesn't appear to be taking the souls and putting them in though? They just naturally go in his dimension after they die. That isn't really soul hax.
I didn't see where it said that Hades was forcing the dead to go in the hole. And if that's true then it contradicts your earlier statement that he forcefully puts souls into his realm. It'd either be soul or mind hax, but not both.
The problem is that even though the manga and series of the franchise were accepted as canon, they are not all part of the same universe, a detail that is even mentioned in Matt's description of the canon for this franchise. You cannot be mixing different concepts of the series, because they are not part of the same universe and even several concepts are different and incompatible between the different universes, for example the Genrōmaōken is described as a technique of the Pope in TLC and Episode.G, but Next Dimension confirms that it is a technique of Geminis, this is an incompatible concept between these universes, because the description of the technique is different.
Yes, it seems more like the natural order of the universe (the Yomotsu only represents the death cycle of humans, that's why the souls of people who are about to die appear in that place and walk towards their death), the souls travel through the Yomotsu to enter the the world of the dead because that is the structure of their universe and not because Hades controls those souls. Also, Hades' power does not affect the Yomotsu, even that place is protected by Athena's cosmos and has a barrier that prevents Hades and his army from entering through that place.
Hades interfered with the system of reincarnation. He has to capture the souls of mortals for his goal of "punishing them." He interferes with death in such a way that without him "Death" becomes "Erasure" for motrals because there is no afterlife or spiritual plane for them to go. Their souls disappear after death..
You bring up a good point here. Though wouldn't it be Soul hax for him physically bringing the souls to a spiritual plane? But also Mind Hax because he using his "Will" to posses them? so 2 separate haxes happening here is where my mind was going.
No, the wound from Hades' sword only damaged Seiya's soul and sent him into the void, that is why he did not reincarnate. Even Deathmask mentions that he can do the same with his Seki Shiki (when used in the Yomotsu), because his technique destroys the opponent's soul and sends it to a dimension outside the reincarnation cycle.
No, the original manga shows that Hades has no power over that world, even Athena's cosmos affects the Yomotsu and creates a barrier that prevents the Specters and Hades from entering that place.
Hades rules the Underworld, not the Yomotsu Hirasaka.
The place described on that page is the depths of Eden (the place created by Eris), not the Reverse of Universe of Dysnomia.
The cycle of reincarnation still exists in this universe, that's why the Saints mention it several times and Seiya is a reincarnation, even Odysseus is named as the reincarnation of Asclepius. As Shaka describes it, humans can reincarnate in one of the six worlds of Buddhism. Even in TLC it is also mentioned that mortals are trapped in a cycle of reincarnation in the Gaiden of Asmita.
The Yomotsu is a world between life and death, the souls that walk in that place are of humans who are serious or near death. That is why Hyoga's soul walked in that place even when he was not dead and Seiya's soul walks in that place even when he still has three days to live.
It was Eris, not Hades. Even Athena who protects humanity does not have the power to change the natural order of souls in this universe.
A page from 2017, Matt currently even doubts Cronos as multiversal and that feat, because now we have new descriptions and new series.
All ive done is debunk him and it keeps coming back to ad nauseum and ad Infinium.
Ah okay
Missed me. I agree.
Ah I'm sorry that buddy lol I did that in a hurry
Hades does not interfere in the cycle of reincarnation, even his world is part of this system, since his Underworld is probably the Hell described by Shaka in the six worlds of reincarnation.
I never contradict myself, because literally the Taizen says that Athena has no power over Hades' Underworld, and this is something we can see in the manga, only until the goddess awakens the Eighth Sense can she enter the Underworld to destroy Hades' body and end the holy war forever. Even Dohko clearly states that the Saints and Athena were never able to enter that world in the ancient holy wars.
It is curious that most of these images are from manga and series other than Kurumada's manga.
Hades does not interreumpete or block it in any way, because humans are still reincarnating in the world of the living.
You have NOT debunked anything, and simply the original manga clearly states that it is not part of Hades' Underworld and is not a place controlled by the god.
