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The Proposal
Soul, and Mind Hax + the resistance to those abilities be upgraded to = Infinite + Countless + billions
NOTE: This is NOT an attempt to upgrade the Cosmology, or anyone's AP. That kind of discussion should be left for a different CRT.
The Cosmological Explanation
Hades Underworld Constructs - Hades Underworld takes in souls from all worlds. These Souls have their minds dominated by his divine will, so he possesses them in both soul and mind. Elaborating more, The Underworld was used by Aiolos to connect to different worlds in the multiverse. Saint Seiya Omega says that the Underworld takes in Souls not only from "This World' but from "other worlds."
And since I know there is going to be that one guy in the crowd that says it. The "pRiMaRy CaNoN" also reiterates this. Athena was sent to the past OF A PARRELEL UNIVERSE. It was directly stated to be a "A Dimension" and it was directly stated to be a world with a "Different Time Axis." In addition to that, the classic manga even directly says that Super Dimensional Space (A construct of Hades creations) can send you to "Another Dimension." [here is an other scan that says that]. Shun and Seiya are in two completely different Space-Time Universes (the next link is a different scan) altogether, but yet Shun was able to see Seiya (a different scan coming up) walking to his permanent death in the Underworld
Here is perhaps some other additional information that maybe helpful. Hades Underworld exist "above" all these worlds. Lost Canvas describes the Underworld as a higher plane that requires ascension to reach (see the translation below for that information). Episode G Tartarus (apart of The Underworld and Realms of the dead weirdly enough) is directly shown to be above the living world, (another statement from the same series is stated here) and the weakened titans were literally creating full Spacetime-Universes there. In the "CaNoN" kiki points up saying an attack is coming from above them (more evidence is seen here) when Thanatos who was in Elysium (a world in the Underworld of Hades control) sending an attack to them. So not only is the Underworld taking in souls from "all worlds" but it is also existing as a higher realm that requires ascension beyond the living world. Additionally, The "Hypermyth" describes Hades Underworld as a "dimensional plane."
Lastly for this cosmological discussion. Saint Seiya Omega tells us that there is infinite worlds via infinite possibilities. Next Dimension shows us that within a Universe (Also called Macrocosmo) each "Nebula" is in fact another separate full space-time universe, a different dimension, a different Time Axis (See links to images here -- here -- and here) Assassins uses the Kanji for the literal definition for the word multiverse (多元宇宙論) and Santia Sho not only tells us there is infinite worlds, but that there is also branching worlds that expand out from the infinite possibilities + it also tells us that each Galaxy is also a Universe. (see the translations below)
Santia Sho Translations
Chapter 80
P4
Shoko: Uh ...
Shoko: Where are the girls .......!?
Shoko: Mii !? Xiaoling !!
Shoko: Elda !! Katya ... Where are you!?
Shoko: What happened ...?
Shoko: What is this place ...
P5 Shoko: What ...!?
Shoko: There's a galaxy ... Coming here !!
Shoko: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!
Chapter 81
P1
Shaka: Spend the time ...?
Shaka: Are you renouncing to fight?
Dysnomia: Hehe ...
Dysnomia: I've already put you in "quarantine"
Dysnomia: My job as a dryad is done, don't you agree?
Dysnomia: Fighting now is meaningless ... I'm actually not interested
Dysnomia: Furthermore, I want to know more about you ... Mister Shaka
Shaka: ..........
Shaka: What on earth
Shaka: Is this place?
P2 & P3
Dysnomia: Heh ... You see ...
Dysnomia: This is the place where all space-time from all Universes converges
Dysnomia: From the Myth Era to a far away future
Dysnomia: You can access it all from here, as you wish
Shaka was taken by Dysnomia's Reverse of Universe ...
Stage 81: Justice of the Saints / Justice for Saints
Dysnomia: A forbidden place where not even the gods eyes can reach
Dysnomia: ... Do you get it?
Dysnomia: If you look at any event or fate chosen by the stars
Dysnomia: They are just small fragments among millions of sparks
Dysnomia: Very, very tiny ...
P4
Dysnomia: Oh, look ...
Dysnomia: It seems a new universe
Dysnomia: Is being born ...
P26
Shoko: Wahh ... Huh ...? I ...
Shoko: It's already morning .......... Hey, what's up ... Seems I had a long dream ...
P27
Dad: C'mon, Shoko! Are you gonna sleep forever ?!
Dad: They say a messy life is a messy mind!
Dad: Time for morning practice is already over!
Dad: Ghaa !!
Shoko: Dad, how many times did I tell not to come in without knocking?
Dad: Hurry up and get yourself ready!
Shoko: Okay, right!
P28
Shoko: ... Has this photo ..........
Shoko: Been always like that .......?
Chapter 82
P13
Dysnomia?: Such a shame
Dysnomia?: We can see everything from here, but we can't interfere in anything
Dysnomia: If we could...
Dysnomia: We would be gods, right? Hehe...
Shaka: ........ Yes
Shaka: So I'll have to defeat you and get away
Dysnomia: ..... Huh?
P14 & P15
Dysnomia: !!
Dysnomia: PERSONAL FIELD
Dysnomia: ... It didn't work...
Dysnomia: Are you already adapted to this dimension in such a short time?
P16
Dysnomia: Unbelievable... Amazing
Dysnomia: You're the soulmate* I've been searching for
Dysnomia: You won't escape....!!
Dysnomia: ABSOLUTE CONFINEMENT
*運命の人(うんめいのひと)= "destined person"
P17
Dysnomia: Don't go away, mister Shaka...
Dysnomia: I'm the only one able to understand your amazing nature
Dysnomia: Why would you go back to a world fated to be destroyed?
Shaka: Dysnomia...
Shaka: We could never understand each other
Shaka: It's wrong to say we can see everything from here
Disnomia: Huh....?
Shaka: You said the uncountable(or translation says countless) sparks seen from here
Shaka: Are too tiny
P18 & P19
Shaka: From here, we can't see the universe inside people's hearts...
Shaka: The ephemeral spark from living beings, that disperses into the infinite
Shaka: The source to create a new future
Shaka: The world's destruction is not settled
Shaka: Farewell
Disnomia: Mister Shaka...
Disnomia: So noble...
Summary: That Galaxy was actually a whole Space-Time Continuume Low 2-C Universe. We learn from Dysnomnia that each Universe has its own expanding multiverse, but Shaka also confirms that there is infinite worlds (In the world of SS future = a universe) Shaka in that last paragraph is referencing the power of Cosmo, and Miracles which is infinite.
Also, Eris later confirmed that she created that it was Universe that Shoko called a "galaxy."
Lost Canvas Translations
P02 / 03
Ilias: They are right.
Ilias: But, Sisyphus, from what perspective are you saying this?
Sisyphus: How is it ...?!
Ilias: I see ... You mean physical death ...
Ilias: Anyway, what I got in life was just my destiny.
Ilias: I can even say that I went further ...
Ilias: By nature, death is not the end of everything.
Ilias: It is just a change of state, the soul ascending to another plane.
Asmita: ...
Sisyphus: Hahaha
Sisyphus: It remains the same as always.
Sisyphus: I used to find these conversations strange.
Sisyphus: This is definitely my brother.
P04 / 05
Sisyphus: A change of state?
Sisyphus: If that's what happens, brother ...
Sisyphus: ... Then why didn't you return to the Sanctuary ?!
Sisyphus: Right now, the Sanctuary ... The whole world is being threatened by Hades.
Sisyphus: Even Regulus had to live desperately in the woods after his death.
Sisyphus: And you were just watching ?!
Ilias: You haven't changed at all, Sisyphus.
Sisyphus: Tsc ...
Sisyphus: What ?!
Sisyphus: Uooo !!!!
Asmita: Sisyphus !!
Asmita: ...
Asmita: At what point did he ...?
P06 / 07
Ilias: What did you think, Asmita?
Asmita: Tsc ...
Ilias: You came to this place to talk to me, right?
Sisyphus: Tsc ...
Asmita: Yes.
Asmita: I've been feeling it since the moment I arrived at the Sanctuary.
Asmita: In a weak way in the wind, his presence, Sisyphus must have felt it too ... But for me his presence was like a fever.
Asmita: I felt like there was a thin membrane that went to an elevated plane on which it was and that I couldn't be able to reach.
Asmita: But now, in that moment, you are before me.
Asmita: So show me your essence ...
Asmita: ... The Eighth Sense!
P08 / 09
Asmita: TREASURE FROM THE SKY !!!!
Sisyphus: That is ... The greatest technique of the Virgo Knight, only referenced in rumors!
Asmita: This technique removes the opponent's five senses as I wish.
Asmita: It can be said that it is a battlefield both offensive and defensive.
Asmita: For you who do not have a physical body, the removal of the five senses will leave the plane of your soul exposed!
Asmita: Deprived of senses !!
P10 / 11
Asmita: So ... Show me what will happen in the end ...
Asmita: ... Mister Ilias!
Sisyphus: Asmita, no!
Sisyphus: Don't underestimate my brother's power!
Asmita: ...!
Ilias: Indeed, it is an intriguing and difficult technique ...
Ilias: In that case, let me ask who you are.
Ilias: You cannot completely eliminate my senses.
Asmita: What? !!
Asmita: He's going through Heaven's Treasure!
Sisyphus: Asmita, dodge!
Sisyphus: My brother cannot moderate himself!
P12 / 13
Ilias: I'm happy, Asmita.
Ilias: See that someone like you is growing up in the Sanctuary.
Ilias: You are on a private quest for your own senses.
Ilias: You were able to isolate yourself internally, coupled with a strong understanding of the world panorama.
Ilias: This is your territory of thought within my territory of thought.
Ilias: You are powerful enough to summon the Treasure of Heaven.
Ilias: But it is still very immature.
Ilias: And you should pay attention to that now!
Ilias: PLASMA LIGHTNING !!!
P14 / 15
Asmita: AAAAAAAAARGH !!!
Asmita: I'm being crushed ... But I must resist!
Asmita: Sir Ilias' own territory seems to be dividing me!
Asmita: Certainly, in this world, Ilias' intense thoughts and desires materialize.
Asmita: In other words, an unreachable world unless this phenomenon is reproduced.
Asmita: I have to sharpen my senses and search even more deeply in me ... More deeply ...
Asmita: Even more ...
Asmita: More deeply within me ...
Ilias: All those who were born on the surface and were called enlightened ...
Ilias: ... You were able to awaken the Eighth Sense through a life of meditation and prayer.
Ilias: This is what Cosmo is.
Ilias: The Eighth Sense is not exclusive to the Knights, it is a place where every living thing on Earth should be able to reach.
Ilias: The prayers and wishes that are in harmony with the universe become the Cosmos.
Ilias: ... Being able to overcome even the notions of time and space ... And it is capable of transforming itself into a force capable of performing miracles.
P16 / 17
Ilias: Unfortunately the people of Earth have forgotten this, they ignore the need for prayers and harmony.
Ilias: They are entering an era of lies, exploitation, destruction and division.
Ilias: And the prophecy says ...
Ilias: "A dome full of ash will fall into the land of the sun"
Sisyphus: Asmita !!!
Asmita: The foundation of the universe exists both inside and outside ...
Asmita: That's right until the end.
P18 / 19
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Sisyphus: The Cosmos of Asmita is expanding!
Sisyphus: Expanding beyond your territory of thought ...
Asmita: It's like being released from a kind of restriction ...
Asmita: How I was able to understand the structure of this world from the beginning ...
Asmita: ... I know who I am.
Asmita: My thoughts went beyond the notions of time and space ...
Asmita: ... There is no doubt whatsoever ...
Summary: The Underworld is a higher plane that requires ascension to reach
Summary of proposal:
Hades should have Soul, and Mind Hax on a scale of Infinite + Countless + X-Crap-Tons-of-billions. He takes in souls from past, present, and future from all worlds. Each soul has their mind dominated by Hades Divine will.
Infinite = From Infinite Universes
Countless = Each universe that branches off from the "Infinite possibilities" has their own multiverse that expands out
X-Crap-Tons-Of-Billions = The amount of people having their soul and mind dominated by Hades Divine Will in each Universe
So you get something like "Infinite + Countless + Billions (Plural)" soul and mind hax potency.
The beings whom have awakened their 8th Sense are immune to Hades control once they enter into His Underworld.
I believe the characters already have these abilities on their profile just to a lower extent than what is being proposed here. So this CRT is to upgrade that extent to a much higher extent.
In short, The potency for both Mind Hax, and Soul Hax along with resistance to such hax to be increased to "Infinite + Countless + Billions"
This is NOT and attempt to upgrade the cosmology of the verse. That can be done on a Separate CRT.