Saint Seiya Saturn AP/DC upgrade

[TheUnshakableOne]

So.. I saw that Saturn was only rated at "Low Multiversal"

I think i found reason to believe he is Multiversal+

Overall points to go over

> How big the Omega Multiverse is

> Scaling

> His chronotectors, and weapons..

> His "End of Time" dimension.

Part 1: Master of All Time, and Space, and the Omega Multiverse

I will leave out a lot of scans as they are repeated a lot...

You can view the whole thing here with episode Numbers, and time frames to fact check me.

"Infinite fates. Infinite Crossroads ."

"and my power to see them all. "

The Gemini Saint can see the diffrenent parrellel realities.

In which if you read the full context with the first link above. Its fairly similar to Episode G assassins , and Next Dimensions multiverse setup.

We also get several confirmations that Saturn has mastered all of time and space.

"Master of all time and space ."

Part 2: Scaling?

Hyoga and shun state during saturns awakening "I have never felt such a powerful cosmos. "

Saint Seiya Omega has tie ins with the movie apollo appeared in. This would make Saturn above Abzu, Apollo, and Hades.

Part 3: His Chronotector's, and his weapons..

I will start it off with "The Eternal Dance . The Holy Sword of Time ."

This sword, which was Saturns until he gave it to pallas, has the ability to control "Time and space. Zero and infinity ."

"This Holy Sword has the ability to control them all ."

Tokisada was given the ability to possess infinite 4th dimensional power by saturn.

The Chronotector he was given overcomes the very concept of time itself.

Saturns chronotector is "The Ultimate Chronotector. "

Part 4: The End of Time Dimension.


"The End of Time" is a spatial dimension that exist beyond time itself. Thus, it has no time at all.

This would make it a solid 5th dimensional space. Possibly making Saturn Multiversal+ tier?

Past, Present, and future connect here. This would be of all univeres in the multiverse. Please, go back to part one with the links to episode G, and Next dimensions description of their multiverse.

Summary:

In conculsion, i think with their is enough evidence to support Saturn having the Multiversal+ tier in terms of AP/DC, and Durability...?

[Update] Would Saturn get immeasurable speed rating too due to the feats above as well...?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

..... bump..

 

[PaChi2]

2-A Saturn?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

2-A Saturn?

In my personal opinion i think there is enough evidence to support Multiversal+ or at the very least Multiversal tier Saturn....

 

[PaChi2]

Okay.

Looks solid.

Hail Saturn!

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Okay.
Looks solid.

Hail Saturn!

Just need to get it approved...

but Saturn is one of my favorite characters in the franchise due to his design.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

... bump..

 

[Hizack123]

I still think 2-A is too much, i mean look at undertale revision

Infinite time stronger then Multiverse don't make you Multiverse+

 

[Ssr4vegito]

This verse is too OP please nerf

 

[Hizack123]

This verse is too OP please nerf

No

 

[DrunkHC]

Saturn should also be able to make use of the power of the four sacred swords of the Ikkyü Pallasites (Pallasite of First Class):

Jübakuraizanba: Invoke and manipulate large lightning bolts. The sacred sword is also capable of controlling gravity, to absorb light or distort space and time, just as it is theoretically done by a black hole in real life.

Bushinkōrinken: Generate a powerful current of light, being able to produce rays of light which can destroy almost everything in its path, the light produced by the sword can work for attack and defense. , It releases energy rays that absorb attacks of light and attacks that even exceed the speed of light.

Tenchihōmetsuzan: . Capable of destroying matter not at an atomic level, but at an even higher level than that, since it can destroy protons, one of the sub-atomic particles that make up the nucleus of atoms.

Tenjinsōseiken: releases green energy from its leaf, with the same faculty of the sacred sword to be able to destroy everything in creation.

It radiates a light that possesses the ability to paralyze the enemy and his cosmos.

It also gives the user the ability to teleport through an emerald green wind whirlwind that generates it.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I still think 2-A is too much, i mean look at undertale revision
Infinite time stronger then Multiverse don't make you Multiverse+

He has a 5th Dimensional space where the entire history of the Multiverse connects....

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

That is true... Their abilities scale to him...

Saturn should also be able to make use of the power of the four sacred swords of the Ikkyü Pallasites (Pallasite of First Class):

Jübakuraizanba: Invoke and manipulate large lightning bolts. The sacred sword is also capable of controlling gravity, to absorb light or distort space and time, just as it is theoretically done by a black hole in real life.

Bushinkōrinken: Generate a powerful current of light, being able to produce rays of light which can destroy almost everything in its path, the light produced by the sword can work for attack and defense. , It releases energy rays that absorb attacks of light and attacks that even exceed the speed of light.

Tenchihōmetsuzan: . Capable of destroying matter not at an atomic level, but at an even higher level than that, since it can destroy protons, one of the sub-atomic particles that make up the nucleus of atoms.

Tenjinsōseiken: releases green energy from its leaf, with the same faculty of the sacred sword to be able to destroy everything in creation.

It radiates a light that possesses the ability to paralyze the enemy and his cosmos.

It also gives the user the ability to teleport through an emerald green wind whirlwind that generates it.

 

[Clockwork_Cookies]

ehh...to be honest, i'm not sure about this.

the scans say nothing about 5th dimensional powers of Saturn. "Exist beyond time and space" just wont be enough to be High 2-A. Tokisada's line sound like he's just having the power over time is infinite. Not infinite 4th dimensional power.

Also, about the End of Time. It's just outside of the concept of time and space, not transended above the multiverse. But still a pretty solid immesurable speed for Saturn though.

I think 2-A is good enough for Saturn

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Time IS the fourth Dimension...


And "The End of Time" is a space beyond time.which is directly stated thrice. It also has scaling above Hades "Super Dimensional Space." .....


Saturn also has scaling backing his 5Th Dimensional tiering from Tokisada, Eternal Dance, Infinite cosmos within the end of time. Scaling above Hades, and Apollo.....

[Edit] I didn't mean to come off aggressive.. I just woke up grumpy when typing this.. I'm sorry...

 

[Hizack123]

Cool, should we call for staff for more input?

 

[PaChi2]

You should call Matthew Schroeder here

 

[Hizack123]

Ok

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

https://m.imgur.com/us2mMuy


Saturn's end of time Dimension is the same thing as Chronos's "Lake of time, and space." ...


They are only represented visually different..

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There's like, 6 different threads about this.

 

[PaChi2]

There's like, 6 different threads about this.

It has been rejected repeatedly? Alright

 

[DrunkHC]

Pegasus Kouga, which scale directly to Saturn, possesses both the cosmos of Light and the cosmos of darkness, both cosmos have shown the ability to annul Hax attacks on more than one occasion on the basis of pure power.

He overcome Domination Language by Ionia Capricorn.

Yami in the Requiem: Gravity Concert by Amor piscis.

Marks of darkness as well as possession by God Abzu.

Overcome Eternal Chrono Conclusion of Saturn.(Omega cosmos)

Saturn was a "mortal" for a time he is the only God able to make use of the Omega cosmos the supreme cosmos which theoretically only mortals are able to attain, such cosmos possesses the ability to increase power in a constant way while the user maintains his high fighting spirit.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

There's like, 6 different threads about this.

Why was it rejected...?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It wasn't rejected, it's just something I cannot evaluate.

 

[Hizack123]

Then we should do some serious thread about this.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

It wasn't rejected, it's just something I cannot evaluate.

May I ask why..?

 

[PaChi2]

It wasn't rejected, it's just something I cannot evaluate.

Dont we rate Cronus 2-A for Saturn's statement? Then I think we can give credit to this.

 

[Crzer07]

it wasnt even from Saturn it was Paradox or something like that, of all ppl

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

it wasnt even from Saturn it was Paradox or something like that, of all ppl

Paradox was telling us how big the entire multiverse, and telling us intense details of the verses cosmology.

 

[Clockwork_Cookies]

it wasnt even from Saturn it was Paradox or something like that, of all ppl

Should be noted that she didnt made a blind statement. She took dragon saint (i forgot his name) to the Otherworld, which exist outside the crossroads (the multiverse) to show him the vastness of SS multiverse (or at least it is Omega/Toei multiverse). So i think it's still a pretty solid evidence for tier 2-A (not sure about 2-A+ or High 2-A)

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

2-A+ because he scales more Superiorly to 2 Multiversal tier characters that were give that power through his own power, scaling, similar feats to other 2-A+ characters within the same franchise, and "The End of Time" being beyond time should (could?) Be a 5th Dimensional space....

 

[Clockwork_Cookies]

Athena is 2-C, not 2-A. Pallas is equal to Athena. So scailing from them doesnt mean much

"The End of Time" being beyond time should (could?) Be a 5th Dimensional space....

Not really, "Beyond time" could also mean a space without concept of time. It doesnt mean it's 5th dimensional space. Unless it's proved to be transended the multiverse.

The infinite universes feat is good enough for him to be 2-A though, which put him on the top tier of the verse

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Athena is 2-C, not 2-A. Pallas is equal to Athena. So scailing from them doesnt mean much
"The End of Time" being beyond time should (could?) Be a 5th Dimensional space....

Not really, "Beyond time" could also mean a space without concept of time. It doesnt mean it's 5th dimensional space. Unless it's proved to be transended the multiverse.

The infinite universes feat is good enough for him to be 2-A though, which put him on the top tier of the verse

Chronos has the exact same feat and is rated 2-A+....tto be fair, both have the exact same feats just represented differently...


And may I ask how can a space beyond time not be a fifth Dimension...?


Also, if the history of the Multiverse (past, present, future.) connects to that single point. Wouldn't that be proof it's above the Multiverse...?

And a massively weakened Athena did tank a blast from a mentally confused Pallas that was launched by the Holy Sword, Eternal Dance....


which can be found here.....

 

[DrunkHC]

The twelve golden saints (classics) crossed space-time into the past through astral projections, saving Shijima and Athena(kid) from a distortion of time-space created by Chronos, both Athena and Shijima have enormous dimensional abilities. (all twelve golds were dead.) Before of this event the primordial God removed Athena and Shijima from within the labyrinths of the Gods, such labyrinth is the last defense of the sanctuary activated by the great master, it is said that neither the Gods are able to flee from within the labyrinth.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The twelve golden saints (classics) crossed space-time into the past through astral projections, saving Shijima and Athena(kid) from a distortion of time-space created by Chronos, both Athena and Shijima have enormous dimensional abilities. (all twelve golds were dead.) Before of this event the primordial God removed Athena and Shijima from within the labyrinths of the Gods, such labyrinth is the last defense of the sanctuary activated by the great master, it is said that neither the Gods are able to flee from within the labyrinth.

What's this for??

 

[DrunkHC]

It does not directly have the Thread, but gold has shown the ability to travel back in time to the past through astral projections using their golden cloths as a kind of "vehicle". I find this a good feat for the saints related to space-time abilities.


Saturn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Golden saints

 

[Crateris_Aeson]

The twelve golden saints (classics) crossed space-time into the past through astral projections, saving Shijima and Athena(kid) from a distortion of time-space created by Chronos, both Athena and Shijima have enormous dimensional abilities. (all twelve golds were dead.) Before of this event the primordial God removed Athena and Shijima from within the labyrinths of the Gods, such labyrinth is the last defense of the sanctuary activated by the great master, it is said that neither the Gods are able to flee from within the labyrinth.

The distortion in space and time is created by the labyrinth of the gods. Chronos does not fight against Athena, and after the time travel, the god continues to sleep.

Chronos sleeps:

Chapter 20:

• https://imgur.com/a/ziGZBRS

Chapter 26:

• https://imgur.com/a/8y5YvSH

 

[DrunkHC]

The part of Ikki talking to Hecate on Olympus takes place long before Athena and Shijima are caught by the dimensional slot (special chapter 68.5), Ikki was already in the past even the bronze saint was about to face Kaiser (chapter 69). Shijima and Athena had already left the labyrinth thanks to Ariadne's wires, even as they left the labyrinth they ended up in the future where Seiya was in the wheelchair. The temporal distortion can only have been caused by Chronos no one besides him has this level of power over time-space. The gold saint who goes back to the past was the Shaka to defend Shun and Tenma from Shijima's attack. Chronos in fact did not remove Athena and Shijima from the maze, long ago I had read Chapter 68.5, Saint seiya is a very crazy work, huge and full of details sometimes I forget some scenes.

 

[Crateris_Aeson]

The part of Ikki talking to Hecate on Olympus takes place long before Athena and Shijima are caught by the dimensional slot (special chapter 68.5), Ikki was already in the past even the bronze saint was about to face Kaiser (chapter 69). Shijima and Athena had already left the labyrinth thanks to Ariadne's wires, even as they left the labyrinth they ended up in the future where Seiya was in the wheelchair. The temporal distortion can only have been caused by Chronos no one besides him has this level of power over time-space. The gold saint who goes back to the past was the Shaka to defend Shun and Tenma from Shijima's attack. Chronos in fact did not remove Athena and Shijima from the maze, long ago I had read Chapter 68.5, Saint seiya is a very crazy work, huge and full of details sometimes I forget some scenes.

In any scene of that chapter, Athena and Shijima mention Chronos.

The god of time continues to sleep, even when Shiryu and Hyoga arrive at Olympus and travel through the portal to the past.

Chapter 51:

• https://imgur.com/a/i8YR1Q7

This is the special chapter (volume edition) in Spanish.

• https://imgur.com/a/duLmo7K

Athena and Shijima only crossed the labyrinth at the end of the chapter, thanks to the power of the Gold Saints that crossed space-time to protect Shijima and Athena of the deformation in the space-time.

Athena: S... 'Shijima, parece que logramos atravesar el laberinto y el espacio-tiempo...'
Athena: Hemos regresado, ┬┐no es asi?.
Shijima: A... asi es, Athena.

Sorry, I did not read the last part of your comment before writing.

The cosmos and testament of Aiolos also crossed space-time to protect Athena and Hyoga.

Chapter 80:

Raw and English translation of the chapter.

• https://www.narutoforums.org/posts/56516721/
• https://www.narutoforums.org/posts/56518549/

 

[Hizack123]

Should we call for more staff?

And the scan look good btw