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Sailor Moon Revision, Arc 3

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No, we still need to discuss whether or not Karin's statistics were correct, and when Lancer has finished.
 
Yes and its considered as an outlier for reasons such as how the Tau Nebula was displayed as well as the inconsistency in the Power Progression,etc. Moreover, it described as a miniature universe with it's own Space-Time. That's not sufficient for Low 2-C as we have many realms and dimensions in fiction (most memorable is the Hyperbolic Time Chamber) which have their own Space-Time but aren't really an entire Universe/Timeline. The High 3-A is for her pre-reincarnation Moon Millennium form where she destroyed the Universe on a High 3-A level.
 
This has nothing to do with being multi galactic, and I'm not trying to say affecting that in itself is Low 2-C. But scaling up to possibly/likely Low 2-C for having 4D power even on a High 3-A scale. So we're just dealing with the third key.

"The High 3-A is for her pre-reincarnation Moon Millennium form where she destroyed the Universe on a High 3-A level."

She didn't even destroy all of the universe, but voided the Silver Millennium. And she was in base when that happened, how the hell
 
You realize that her having Low 2-C in her third key is an outlier in itself. It'd make even Usagi comparable to her in 3rd arc and everyone in 4th arc which isn't the case lol. I don't see anyone reaching Low 2-C even in 4th arc, let alone 3rd.

From what I remember she was summoned by the Outer senshis, she erased everything. However, if only the Silver Millennium was voided then it's cool too and no High 3-A Hotaru.
 
Not really when her third key doesnt even correspond to the third arc, but rather happens at the very end of the fourth and at the fifth. You know she was introduced in the third arc right? You may be confused but thats ok.

She is summoned when there is an existential crisis/doomsfay scenario, not by their own will.

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no High 3-A Hotaru.
That does not mean she gets to be downgrade lol
 
Yes I know that she was introduced in the third arc and no, her fourth arc definitely doesn't get Low 2-C. Fifth Arc? Yeah maybe. Fourth arc? Definitely not lol. You'd need a clear cut Low 2-C feat for her Eternal Form for that, which doesn't occur until they are amped by Galactica.

She is summoned when there is an existential crisis/doomsday scenario, not by their own will

I really don't see how this is relevant to the topic but okay, she doesn't appear automatically but rather by being summoned by the Outer Senshis when bringing their Talismans if this is what you're arguing
 
You acknowledge that Tau is its own continuum and destroying it would be a 4D feat, but lower than universal scale. If you upscale 4D powers to a High 3-A scale it could possibly be Low 2-C.

I wasn't arguing anything about her summoning when you brought it up erroneously thought its where her High 3-A scaling comes from.
 
"You acknowledge that Tau is its own continuum and destroying it would be a 4D feat, but lower than universal scale."

Yes and its considered as an outlier for reasons such as how the Tau Nebula was displayed as well as the inconsistency in the Power Progression,etc. Moreover, it described as a miniature universe with it's own Space-Time. That's not sufficient for Low 2-C as we have many realms and dimensions in fiction (most memorable is the Hyperbolic Time Chamber) which have their own Space-Time but aren't really an entire Universe/Timeline

Except upscaling here isn't working out and I never acknowledged it as a continumm but rather said what was shown in your posted scans. Upscaling it from this feat is hilariously outlierish as it would not only make even 3rd Arc characters like Usagi and Hotaru Uni+, but also Immeasurable Speed. Why??? For being comparable to each other and going up against Pharaoh 90 who, as per your scans, is an entity that governs the Space-Time continumm known as Tau Nebula and even was going to merge the Universe with his Universe.

"I wasn't arguing anything about her summoning when you brought it up erroneously thought its where her High 3-A scaling comes from."

The High 3-A is for her pre-reincarnation Moon Millennium form where she destroyed the Universe on a High 3-A level
 
Like I said before, if you don't have a clear cut Low 2-C feat, scaling isn't gonna help you especially when this is such an absurd scaling that could make all of Arc 4 and 5 Uni+ and Immeasurable

Hence why Evil Hotaru and Senshis are Low 2-C for being powered by Galaxia's bracelet with Galaxia herself having Low 2-C feats, Statements and Scaling.
 
I was confused at that moment if Hotaru erased the only the Silver Millennium or everything in the Universe to which I made the statement.
 
So what are the conclusions here?
 
I'm not proposing any new upgrades. What I'm saying is that the 3rd key of Sailor Saturn was changed to Low 2-C initially by Karin and it's justification was not valid as it relied on faulty scaling that is inconsistent with the power displayed in the series and riddled with outlier. Although I've changed it to High 3-A like it was normally before so no worries.
 
You're going to need to explain in more detail for your reasoning of changing the profile. What is the faulty scaling and what are the specific inconsistencies?

Kakin gave Eternal Saturn "likely low 2-C" due to her showing 4-D power when destroying the Tau Star System.
 
If destroying a miniature universe wont be Low 2-C anyway, but in this case 3-C, I fail to see the outlier resulting from it. 4D power on a 3-C scale is still a 3-C but can stack up to Low 2-C and wont change the fact she was 3-C
 
But that's really not how it works. You can't say it's a miniature "Space-Time continumm" and "4D power on a 3-C" at the same time. Then upscale it infinitely to Low 2-C. There's a reason why it's considered an outlier because it can't be a "Space-Time continumm" and be "Galaxy Level" at the same time as it doesn't work like that. Let alone trying to upscale it in a faulty manner to get Low 2-C.

This also doesn't help that if you consider it as a 3-C tier "Space-Time continumm", it still makes Pharaoh Immeasurable Speed for having complete control over it that would scale to both 3rd arc Usagi and Hotaru.
 
Lancer has a good point.

We do not rate Kaguya of Naruto as High 3-A for creating a small pocket dimension for example. We tend to scale smaller than universal space-time feats by size, in lack of better options.
 
That's we did. Saturn has At least 3-C for destroying Pharaoh 90 and Tau Star System which is a galatic sizes spacetime continuum. In the next arc when she becomes Eternal Sailor Saturn, she gets "Likely Low 2-C" due to her possessing 4-D power, if she didn't have 4-D power she would get High 3-A along with the other senshi who have not shown 4-D power at that time. The High 3-A and Low 2-C is based on another feat later in the series.
 
Put it Simply, Low 2-C = Infinite x Infinite x any 3-A to 10-C structure. Saturn destroying Tau Nebula is an at least 3-C feat. Bringing up "But it's a Space-time continuum of it's own" doesn't help in the case as it then makes the feat a High 3-A feat which is utterly inconsistent/outlier.

In conclusion,

Eternal Sailor Saturn or the 3rd key of Sailor Saturn wouldn't be getting Low 2-C for Infinitely being above than a 3-C structure. High 3-A is cool but not Low 2-C as all the other Senshis have just hit Universal with Arc 4 and only in Arc 5 they get Low 2-C via scaling from Galaxia and Animamates.
 
I agree with Lancer here. Treating the Tau System feat as Low 2-C or High 3-A is an outlier for that point in the series and it's more conistent with the wiki's standards to rate it as At least 3-C.
 
So what exactly is being discussed here in summary?
 
Yes, but what feat is the discussion about?
 
It's the destruction of a 3-C structure and extrapolating it to Low 2-C via faulty scaling and not via an proper feat
 
@Lancer

Well, that is what I originally thought, and I agree with you in that case.
 
Do any other profiles need to be adjusted, or should I start to lock the profiles?
 
So Lancer45Man needs to adjust the statistics of the other pages as well?
 
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