Sailor Moon NPI Additions (NEP)

[Iamunanimousinthat]

This is a CRT thread to add Nonexistent Physiology to Sailor Moon's non-physical interaction list as well as other characters.

The corridor of spacetime door is a realm that exists outside of space and time, or within the rift between times. It is called the underworld/rift/and sometimes referred to as a spacetime. It has no concept of distance and direction and is timeless. It contains the depths of spacetime and the void of spacetime. It erases those who wander with it. The only way to have some sense of position is to use Pluto's key. Without it, points are not defined. It is by definition, a void.

Nonexistent Physiology​

The nonexistent physiology page describes Type 2 as:

Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Paraconsistent Physiology due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.

The Corridor of Spacetime door is a realm that is stated to hold both the depths of spacetime as well as the void of spacetime. It is as simple as that. Spacetime is 1 and the void of spacetime is 0, and the corridor itself is neither 1 or 0, distinct from both.

In terms of Aspects: the Corridor will have Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 2 (Distance & direction) and Type 5 (Spacetime)

If it's determined that the Corridor has NEP Type 2, here are the characters who will get NEP Type 2 added to their NPI, interaction list:

Sailor Moon

The light of the silver crystal was able to reach the corridor.

Death Phantom

His transformation of chibi-usa into Black Lady, created a terrible storm in the corridor

Sailor Pluto

Her powers allow her to manipulate and coordinate travel through the corridor. (as shown in the scans above)

Tally

Agree:
Disagree: Vietthai96
Neutral:

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Seems simple enough

 

[Godslayermeli]

This is a CRT thread to add Nonexistent Physiology to Sailor Moon's non-physical interaction list as well as other characters.

The corridor of spacetime door is a realm that exists outside of space and time, or within the rift between times. It is called the underworld/rift/and sometimes referred to as a spacetime. It has no concept of distance and direction and is timeless. It contains the depths of spacetime and the void of spacetime. It erases those who wander with it. The only way to have some sense of position is to use Pluto's key. Without it, points are not defined. It is by definition, a void.

Nonexistent Physiology​

The nonexistent physiology page describes Type 2 as:

The Corridor of Spacetime door is a realm that is stated to hold both the depths of spacetime as well as the void of spacetime. It is as simple as that. Spacetime is 1 and the void of spacetime is 0, and the corridor itself is neither 1 or 0, distinct from both.

If it's determined that the Corridor has NEP Type 2, here are the characters who will get NEP Type 2 added to their NPI, interaction list:

Sailor Moon

The light of the silver crystal was able to reach the corridor.

Death Phantom

His transformation of chibi-usa into Black Lady, created a terrible storm in the corridor

Sailor Pluto

Her powers allow her to manipulate and coordinate travel through the corridor. (as shown in the scans above)

Tally

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

Agree.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bump!

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bump!

 

[AlexSamDen]

Aspects?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Aspects?

Good question. It will definitely be Type 5, perhaps history or spacetime perhaps dimension (no concept of distance or direction). I would like mod input on exact wording.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Good question. It will definitely be Type 5, perhaps history or spacetime perhaps dimension (no concept of distance or direction). I would like mod input on exact wording.

More like Type 2 & 5 [Other: Space-Time]

 

[Nonynho]

seems very straightforward

i'd agree with its addition pretty much like @Ultimate-Rex1 said

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Agree FRA, but confused on what aspects this can be

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Good question. It will definitely be Type 5, perhaps history or spacetime perhaps dimension (no concept of distance or direction). I would like mod input on exact wording.

Characters like Sailor Mercury who can summon higher dimensions and lock into other spatio-temporal axes are unable to do anything within the Corridor. This supports it lacking dimensional qualities entirely (also not having distance or direction), so that should be included. Warping "Space-Time" is stated to affect all of History. And obviously the Corridor contains spacetime.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Bump!

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Characters like Sailor Mercury who can summon higher dimensions and lock into other spatio-temporal axes are unable to do anything within the Corridor. This supports it lacking dimensional qualities entirely (also not having distance or direction), so that should be included. Warping "Space-Time" is stated to affect all of History. And obviously the Corridor contains spacetime.

Wouldn't this count as an anti-feat for NEP? I mean, if it were truly a realm of nonexistence, it shouldn't have space or time (dimensionality)?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Wouldn't this count as an anti-feat for NEP? I mean, if it were truly a realm of nonexistence, it shouldn't have space or time (dimensionality)?

I don't think that's an anti-feat, the wiki has many examples of voids that contain the universe/multiverse/reality. The BDE page makes a lot of mention for it.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Wouldn't this count as an anti-feat for NEP? I mean, if it were truly a realm of nonexistence, it shouldn't have space or time (dimensionality)?

The actual location is different in composition from the space-time it contains. If you read the OP, once characters entered the realm and tried navigating through it using spatial coordinates, they were sitting ducks, because the actual realm lacks dimensional properties altogether. Thus, it cannot be defined by dimensional qualities.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Hmm, seems fine to me, but the Aspects here are Type 2 and Type 5 because it lacks dimensionality, the concepts of distance and direction, and exists as a timeless void.

So you need to add it in OP

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I added it to the OP

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I don't understand how you reached the conclusion that: Existence = Spacetime!!

In reality: Spacetime ≠ Existence.

Therefore, your analogy that Spacetime represents "1" is not correct.

Existence encompasses far more than just Spacetime. It can contain Spacetime, concepts, laws, voids, and many other things. I think you are misunderstanding the meaning of "Existence." You seem to assume that Existence simply means Spacetime, and that is wrong.

The absence of Spacetime only grants BDE 1. Even Existence itself can contain worlds that have BDE 1 inside it — for example, the subspace in Dragon Ball, or the void where the Tournament of Power was held. All of that is still part of Existence, even though it is outside Spacetime and even lacks the concept of Spacetime itself.

In short, I do not agree with the argument presented in this thread.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

It is called the underworld/rift/and sometimes referred to as a spacetime.

In terms of Aspects: the Corridor will have Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1 (Distance & direction) and Type 5 (Spacetime)

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I don't understand how you reached the conclusion that: Existence = Spacetime!!

In reality: Spacetime ≠ Existence.

Therefore, your analogy that Spacetime represents "1" is not correct.

Existence encompasses far more than just Spacetime. It can contain Spacetime, concepts, laws, voids, and many other things. I think you are misunderstanding the meaning of "Existence." You seem to assume that Existence simply means Spacetime, and that is wrong.

The absence of Spacetime only grants BDE 1. Even Existence itself can contain worlds that have BDE 1 inside it — for example, the subspace in Dragon Ball, or the void where the Tournament of Power was held. All of that is still part of Existence, even though it is outside Spacetime and even lacks the concept of Spacetime itself.

In short, I do not agree with the argument presented in this thread.

I am unsure where you are coming from? The OP states that the corridor contains both the depths of spacetime AND the void of spacetime. Spacetime would be existence or 1 and the void of spacetime would be nonexistent version of spacetime or 0.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Can we not clog this with unnecessary additions? I am not even understanding your confusion. The OP clearly states that the corridor contains the depths of spacetime. This is no different than referring to a bathroom as the toilet, while it contains more than just the toilet.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I don't know where to begin here. Your argument is that the corridor holds both space-timeless and spatiotemporal areas, therefore it has the second nature of nonexistent physiology (neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence), yet at a basic level, you fail to provide evidence for the realm as a whole transcending its spatiotemporal and spacetimeless aspects simultaneously. The occam's razor interpretation is that you're just providing anti-feats against the realm being spacetimeless, a common issue for "voids" presented in fictional verses.

I will never understand this practice of providing evidence for a rating, providing evidence against that rating, then providing an outside high-end interpretation for how the contradiction proves a far higher rating, and is the best solution just because it satisfies every statement at once.

 

[Mbpoops]

Um if it holds both the depths of spacetime and a void wouldnt that just be nep3? The fact they can locate themselves with a spacetime key is a bit concerning too but eh

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I don't know where to begin here. Your argument is that the corridor holds both space-timeless and spatiotemporal areas, therefore it has the second nature of nonexistent physiology (neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence), yet at a basic level, you fail to provide evidence for the realm as a whole transcending its spatiotemporal and spacetimeless aspects simultaneously. The occam's razor interpretation is that you're just providing anti-feats against the realm being spacetimeless, a common issue for "voids" presented in fictional verses.

Okay. This is a very simple and straight forward CRT, so I won't be dragged down in a useless chain of arguments.

1. saying "my argument" is disingenuous when I posted direct statements from the source material.
2. the word transcendence doesn't even appear once on the nonexistent physiology page, so you're just making up a fake requirements to try to argue for argument sake.
3. The silver crystal is directly stated to transcend spacetime and can reach the corridor so your fake requirement is already passed.

 

[Killerdrone123]

2. the word transcendence doesn't even appear once on the nonexistent physiology page, so you're just making up a fake requirements to try to argue for argument sake.

Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Paraconsistent Physiology due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I am unsure where you are coming from? The OP states that the corridor contains both the depths of spacetime AND the void of spacetime. Spacetime would be existence or 1 and the void of spacetime would be nonexistent version of spacetime or 0.

Did you first prove that this Corridor is a form of Nonexistence? Even NEP Type 2 is still a form of Nonexistence, but it goes beyond conventional Nonexistence — and you haven't proven that this Corridor is a type of Nonexistence at all.

I also told you that Spacetime does not equal Existence. Existence includes far more things than just Spacetime. Existence does not only contain Spacetime.

I am confident that Spacetime ≠ Existence, and therefore the fact that the Corridor contains the depths of Spacetime and the void of Spacetime is not evidence for NEP Type 2.

 

[Vietthai96]

1. The void of space-time
The term "void" does not always mean literal nonexistent void/nothingness but depends on context; it can also be used interchangeably with "vacuum" or "emptiness"

And from how this text was phrased, it isn't a literal void that lacks space and time, this is 99% mean the void of space-time here is referring to empty space-time region

2. Assume the void of space-time is literal. it still wouldn't give corridor of space-time NEP2, even if the corridor is nonexistent, it would be at best NEP1 cause it isn't further beyond category of conventional nonexistent, as the corrider is just outside of normal space-time and the void of space-time

2. the word transcendence doesn't even appear once on the nonexistent physiology page, so you're just making up a fake requirements to try to argue for argument sake.

while you don't need the exact word, something similar must be present

3. The silver crystal is directly stated to transcend spacetime and can reach the corridor so your fake requirement is already passed.

so this mean transcendence here just referring to the ability to go outside of normal space-time, not transcendence as in transcending into a different category.

3. Also didn't Sailor Senshi literally use a space-time door on Pluto to go into the corridor?, and it was used to time travel?. Also i'm skeptical about the lacking concept of direction, because it seems not literal and just a flowery way of saying you can't find exact direction and get lost in the place

So yeah, the argument is not really convince me

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Did you first prove that this Corridor is a form of Nonexistence? Even NEP Type 2 is still a form of Nonexistence, but it goes beyond conventional Nonexistence — and you haven't proven that this Corridor is a type of Nonexistence at all.

Yes I did. It has no concept of distance and direction, timeless and is called a void.

 

[Mbpoops]

1. The void of space-time
The term "void" does not always mean literal nonexistent void/nothingness but depends on context; it can also be used interchangeably with "vacuum" or "emptiness"

And from how this text was phrased, it isn't a literal void that lacks space and time, this is 99% mean the void of space-time here is referring to empty space-time region

2. Assume the void of space-time is literal. it still wouldn't give corridor of space-time NEP2, even if the corridor is nonexistent, it would be at best NEP1 cause it isn't further beyond category of conventional nonexistent, as the corrider is just outside of normal space-time and the void of space-time

i think nep3 works better since it contains both spacetime and supposedly non spacetime

 

[Mbpoops]

Yes I did. It has no concept of distance and direction, timeless and is called a void.

Bde1 or nep1 aspect 5 (space-time). This isnt enough for nep2

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

1. The void of space-time
The term "void" does not always mean literal nonexistent void/nothingness but depends on context; it can also be used interchangeably with "vacuum" or "emptiness"

And from how this text was phrased, it isn't a literal void that lacks space and time, this is 99% mean the void of space-time here is referring to empty space-time region

2. Assume the void of space-time is literal. it still wouldn't give corridor of space-time NEP2, even if the corridor is nonexistent, it would be at best NEP1 cause it isn't further beyond category of conventional nonexistent, as the corrider is just outside of normal space-time and the void of space-time

Okay have you actually read the NEP page, because it actually says:

"In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence."

because your dismissive, "just outside of normal space-time and the void of space-time" is what the requirement is.


Also the Corridor has been accepted as a void on this wiki for a decade now. This isn't a debate unless you want to make the crt.

So yeah, the argument is not really convince me

You've have always been against every upgrade or ability addition for this verse, since before you were a mod. I'll just put down your disagreement because it will never change.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

i think nep3 works better since it contains both spacetime and supposedly non spacetime

That's not the requirement for NEP 3. The requirement for NEP 3 is "To qualify for this type, a character needs to be stated to be immune to manipulations of the aspects they are nonexistent in due to their nonexistence. " which just doesn't apply here. NEP 3 is really for characters, I don't even think it can apply to realms, unless you have an example of one.

The fact they can locate themselves with a spacetime key is a bit concerning too but eh

I also want to address this because this is not a factor at all, otherwise the NPI ability wouldn't exist on this wiki at all if that was the case.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I also told you that Spacetime does not equal Existence. Existence includes far more things than just Spacetime. Existence does not only contain Spacetime.

I think you're confused, because Both I and the NEP page are not using existence as in all encompassing all of reality context, but rather in the dictionary sense that "spacetime" exists.

 

[Mbpoops]

I think you're confused, because Both I and the NEP page are not using existence as in all encompassing all of reality context, but rather in the dictionary sense that "spacetime" exists.

Ok..? Then it just lacks space-time. Doesnt mean it doesnt exist just means it lacks those aspects of reality

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Ok..? Then it just lacks space-time. Doesnt mean it doesnt exist just means it lacks those aspects of reality

I'm so sorry, but I am utterly confused as to what you're trying to say here.

Edit: Like the nonexistence page literally states, "Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to lack certain aspects of one's existence".