Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Antvasima]

Uhhhhhhhh...

The moderation is biased.

Hello. Today I'm going to show you that some moderators are deliberately trying to harm certain people, and banning them is not a concrete consequence. Indeed, Some moderators reportedly banned Para Zulu under the pretext of it being a fake account, without concrete evidence. It's the...

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For the record, both Bambu and I checked and our forum clearly stated that Jason/Yeah boy and Para are the same person, but the only way for us to show evidence would also show personally identitifiable information about them, as well as how our forum identifies them, which isn't workable.

 

[Antvasima]

What is removed is the method of detection. It is exceptionally reliable. Mixed with the actions taken by Para_Pala_Zula matching up with those of whom he has this account overlap with, "potential" is a formality.

Yes, the exact same interests and dishonest argumentative style and our forum's very reliable detection system in combination means that it is almost absolutely certain that they are the same person (as in 99.9999% certainty or somesuch).

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose I’ll go ahead and implement this without dragging it onto another page, considering a reasonable number of staff members are fine with the compromise.

@Vzearr
Moving forward, from this point on, you are only allowed to have one active thread related to TR at a time, whether it’s a CRT, VS match, Calc discussion or staff thread, only one thread across entire forum by you at a time. Regarding posts, You are not allowed to make any posts in threads related to TR, including VS matches, staff threads, Calc discussions or CRTs, unless they have been approved by a volunteer beforehand. To avoid any confusion:

• If you create a VS match involving Tokyo Revengers, then until that match is concluded, you are not allowed to create any other thread related to TR across VS forum, whether it’s a CRT, another VS match, or a calc group discussion. This also applies to staff threads.
• You are not allowed to post in any TR related thread across the forum unless your post has been approved by a volunteer beforehand. You must also state which volunteer approved your post at the top of your each post (as of now, I am the only volunteer).

Additionally, you are being formally warned for your rude and accusatory behavior in the Tokyo Revengers CRT, as well as your conduct in VS threads. Please ensure that this behavior is not repeated in the future under any circumstances, or a harsher punishment will be enforced.

Thats all.

Thank you very much for helping out.

 

[Vzearr]

Sorry, you mean 1 TR thread or 1 thread overall? I don't remember it being discussed that I should be limited to 1 thread overall. Apologies.

 

[Reiner04]

Sorry, you mean 1 TR thread or 1 thread overall? I don't remember it being discussed that I should be limited to 1 thread overall. Apologies.

1 TR thread overall. Restrictions are only related to TR.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I think it also needs clarification, in that, volunteers need to be approved. With how it's written right now, it sounds like Vzearr can ask anybody to read on his behalf, when the system operates on a pre-approved volunteer. Normally we just have one person do that, which would be you, Reiner, but if someone else volunteers here that we trust, I don't mind that covering multiple people.

But, the thing should just outright say "Reiner" (and whoever else might volunteer), rather than being general like a policy might be.

 

[GrathOfLux]

Okay. I'm about to sleep, so I won't comment much here now. But I'm a bit disappointed things reached this point. Take your time evaluating the context behind this and decide on what to do about it - I'll comment tomorrow if it's necessary.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It's getting quite scary in his walls, and there was a message here too

 

[GrathOfLux]

Vzearr has been spamming extremely inappropriate comments, so I have taken the liberty of banning them for one day to avoid further mishaps while we decide what to do.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I think he just hit his breaking point mabye?

 

[Reiner04]

I suppose there is nothing we can do about it at this point. I feel sorry for him and his condition but he needs a long break, this site doesn’t seem to be good for him, given the comments.

 

[Damage3245]

Okay, I'm sorry to say it but I am in favor of a perma-ban now.

Seems like the best solution.

 

[Just a Random Butler]

It's getting quite scary in his walls, and there was a message here too

I think he just hit his breaking point mabye?

I removed the content because it wasn't appropriate, and he doesn't seem to be in the right state of mind right now.

At this point, we should not let him stay into the community. It doesn't seem to be helping his situation, and if anything, it is making things worse for both him and the community, since his behavior could continue to cause harm to not just himself, but also here, if left unchecked.

This is just my objective perspective, based on my past interactions with Vzearr (Obviously, I mean no harm to him). I used to interact with him quite a bit, though that was before I took a long hiatus and before he was banned after admitting to what he did.

He would be better off if he was kept away from this community.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I am sorry to say something here given that I am not staff, but anything less than a permaban even before is insane.

We have multiple people who were permabanned (or still, banned for very long amount of time) for doing much less compared to whatever Vapourrrr did, with examples in my mind being Weekly regarding RWBY, Sean Pazdera with Pokémon/Digimon, Veronica with Dragon Ball and ZaStando with Sonic.

None of these 4 people went as far as they did with sockpuppets, staff infiltration, and overall crappy behavior, despite all of them being obsessively problematic around a singular verse, yet all of them were permabanned?

What did Vapourrrr do to get something less than a permaban here? He, Weekly and Sean had the "mentally ill" card, but Weekly got 2 years with no possibility of appeal, and Sean was reported around 5 times for his behavior on Pokémon and Digimon for the exact same behavior that got him the orginal ban of 3 years before getting permanently banned after the 6th report.

This really sounds like a double standard just because of him being a staff in the past. Eficiente got demoted with no mercy for poor behavior despite him being a staff for 5 years, and Vapourrr did far worse than him across 3 years.

This community really needs to shape up and becoming much less gentle with problematic people, because the idea of @Reiner04 to inspect every single message he wants to say before approving that it's just batshit insane, Vapourrr is an adult for Christ's sake, not a child with special needs who needs a support teacher, he needs to get actual responsibility for his actions.

 

[Reiner04]

This community really needs to shape up and becoming much less gentle with problematic people, because the idea of @Reiner04 to inspect every single message he wants to say before approving that it's just batshit insane

Yeah, what i did was a mistake. I am fine with any action that seems appropriate regarding it. Though, its best handled by HR if anything i think.

 

[Antvasima]

Vzearr is a genuinely nice, hardworking, and well-intended person who is very very mentally ill to enormous mental anguish levels, and has an extremely difficult life situation partially because of it. I would greatly appreciate if people here greatly tone down their hostility towards him, as it seems to stress him out to extremes, even if you eventually decide to ban him because this quite harsh environment is likely not healthy for him.

 

[Just a Random Butler]

Vzearr is a genuinely nice, hardworking, and well-intended person who is very mentally ill to enormous mental anguish levels, and has an extremely difficult life situation partially because of it. I would greatly appreciate if people here greatly tone down their hostility towards him, as it seems to stress him out to extremes, even if you eventually decide to ban him.

Okay, that is understandable.

But I hope you don't misinterpret my perspective, or anyone else's, as hostility.

We're coming from a place of concern and genuinely want what's best for him, I'm sure even those who had a negative view on him thinks the same.

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, what i did was a mistake. I am fine with any action that seems appropriate regarding it. Though, its best handled by HR if anything i think.

You haven't performed any mistakes here as far as I'm concerned, don't feel bad about it.


As for anyone else, we don't need multiple other non-staff users commenting now about how past treatment may have been a mistake. Save it for another thread or time. The issue has been reported concerning Vzearr and staff members will give their thoughts on what appropriate punishment should be here. That is all that should be covered in this particular thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, that is understandable.

But I hope you don't misinterpret my perspective, or anyone else's, as hostility.

We're coming from a place of concern and genuinely want what's best for him, I'm sure even those who had a negative view on him thinks the same.

Yes, I really want to help Vzearr, but it doesn't work if he gets compulsive psychotic episodes in our community. Maybe I can help him with his mental health via Discord instead?

 

[Just a Random Butler]

Yes, I really want to help Vzearr, but it doesn't work if he gets compulsive psychotic episodes in our community. Maybe I can help him with his mental health via Discord instead?

I understand the intention, but is that even safe and appropriate? What about the possibility of making it worse for him?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know. I just don't want him to be left alone when he is going through enormous mental anguish. Some of the people who were supposed to take care of him seem to have severely abused him.

 

[KLOL506]

I am sorry to say something here given that I am not staff, but anything less than a permaban even before is insane.

We have multiple people who were permabanned (or still, banned for very long amount of time) for doing much less compared to whatever Vapourrrr did, with examples in my mind being Weekly regarding RWBY, Sean Pazdera with Pokémon/Digimon, Veronica with Dragon Ball and ZaStando with Sonic.

None of these 4 people went as far as they did with sockpuppets, staff infiltration, and overall crappy behavior, despite all of them being obsessively problematic around a singular verse, yet all of them were permabanned?

What did Vapourrrr do to get something less than a permaban here? He, Weekly and Sean had the "mentally ill" card, but Weekly got 2 years with no possibility of appeal, and Sean was reported around 5 times for his behavior on Pokémon and Digimon for the exact same behavior that got him the orginal ban of 3 years before getting permanently banned after the 6th report.

This really sounds like a double standard just because of him being a staff in the past. Eficiente got demoted with no mercy for poor behavior despite him being a staff for 5 years, and Vapourrr did far worse than him across 3 years.

This community really needs to shape up and becoming much less gentle with problematic people, because the idea of @Reiner04 to inspect every single message he wants to say before approving that it's just batshit insane, Vapourrr is an adult for Christ's sake, not a child with special needs who needs a support teacher, he needs to get actual responsibility for his actions.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

We need to have a serious discussion about us giving too much leniency to problematic behavior just because "they contribute" or that they have "mental problems". They are not excuses to violate the wiki rules let alone make a complete and utter joke out of them and treat them like garbage.

Yes, I really want to help Vzearr, but it doesn't work if he gets compulsive psychotic episodes in our community. Maybe I can help him with his mental health via Discord instead?

Not to be rude Ant, but I don't think you should be doing this. You will endanger him further if you actually try playing doctor on Discord of all places. The only safe place for him now is an actual professional medically-approved psychiatrist. This is a hobbyist battleboarding wiki, not a hospital, and we shouldn't even be trying to play one, because it's incredibly reckless and dangerous, and even illegal, and someone could end up in serious trouble or worse because we tried to play doctor.

 

[GrathOfLux]

Yes, I really want to help Vzearr, but it doesn't work if he gets compulsive psychotic episodes in our community. Maybe I can help him with his mental health via Discord instead?

I get the impression that Vzearr does see you as a supportive figure, and to that end I wouldn't say you should cease interactions entirely.

But if you believe Vzearr needs considerable help with their mental health, the best way to help is to direct them to qualified sources. You aren't a therapist - but some people are, and some people can help in ways you can't. I worry your desire to be recognised for your goodness is going to get in the way of actually seeing the good you want to see in the world.

 

[Antvasima]

I get the impression that Vzearr does see you as a supportive figure, and to that end I wouldn't say you should cease interactions entirely.

But if you believe Vzearr needs considerable help with their mental health, the best way to help is to direct them to qualified sources. You aren't a therapist - but some people are, and some people can help in ways you can't. I worry your desire to be recognised for your goodness is going to get in the way of actually seeing the good you want to see in the world.

Well, I am mostly uninterested in being seen as good, as the important thing is the positive result not the doer/ego, and I have too many character flaws to qualify. It is a striving not a set position.

Anyway, I have tried to direct Vzearr to getting treated by professionals, but if I have understood correctly, he has been either severely abused or destructively overmedicated by some of them, so I gave him some suggestions of non-harmful methods to hopefully help lessen his problems, such nutritional supplements, nature walks, therapy pets, meditation music, healthy food, regular exercise, melatonin for better sleep, and the like, as well listening to him and trying to offer support, but that's mostly all.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, and I am sorry for commenting again, but is there any proof that any of what he says is real? I mean, shit, he managed to avoid being detected as a sock and made it into staff and was doing well for a year until he literally outed himself. This seems to me like the behaviour of a pathological liar, and there are plenty of people who will pretend to be insane for attention. Afaik this is far from the first time the wiki had one of these.

I have talked with him for a long time, and definitely do not have the impression that he is making anything up. Also, as you said, he confessed all of his wrongdoings on his own.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't know if this is of relevance, but i will just say this;

He was fine minutes before his panic attack (?), he came on my walls requesting my help for a Mikey revision

Yes. His panic attacks may be induced by very bad medications, similarly to how mine used to be many years ago, or maybe it is a part of his mental illness.

 

[GrathOfLux]

Also, and I am sorry for commenting again, but is there any proof that any of what he says is real? I mean, shit, he managed to avoid being detected as a sock and made it into staff and was doing well for a year until he literally outed himself. This seems to me like the behaviour of a pathological liar, and there are plenty of people who will pretend to be insane for attention. Afaik this is far from the first time the wiki had one of these.

Maybe, maybe not. There's a lot to doubt here, but I don't really doubt the idea that he is markedly distressed in some sense.

Anyway, I can't sleep, so I'll comment more on this matter.

I would advocate for a permanent ban for Vzearr. Whatever angle you take to this situation, the premise remains that Vzearr is harming himself and the wiki. There is no benefactor in this situation who would not be better off with this outcome.

 

[Arceus0x]

I have talked with him for a long time, and definitely do not have the impression that he is making anything up.

Last time someone said something similar to me, we ended up with the Dread situation taking far longer than it would've.
If you don't have actual solid evidence to him being real and him being in an actual psyche ward, he might be using you for attention, validation, and also protection from scrutiny. Just to further the example, Dread used the [victim] to 'protect' himself against other users.
Please re-evaluate your situation. If there is in fact solid evidence then maybe you're right, but in that case someone that unstable should've never been allowed into a place where one of the main components is conflict.

Also, as you said, he confessed all of his wrongdoings on his own.

It could be real or it could be an extremely basic confession trick pathalogical liars often use.

help lessen his problems, such nutritional supplements, nature walks, therapy pets, meditation music, healthy food, regular exercise, melatonin for better sleep, and the like, as well listening to him and trying to offer support, but that's mostly all.

Whilst I understand where you're coming from, if the outburst we saw was real then that's not something this would solve, that is a psychotic breakdown (though again, I don't think it was real in the first place)

 

[Antvasima]

Vzearr has nothing to gain and everything to lose from his psychotic breakdown episodes in terms of his intention of being allowed to stay here, and he has been very consistent in his descriptions of his situations, and has come across as legitimately extremely distressed, so I believe him.

Also, if he had not confessed regarding his wrongdoings, he would have gotten in much less trouble. It doesn't at all seem insincere either.

 

[Antvasima]

I would advocate for a permanent ban for Vzearr. Whatever angle you take to this situation, the premise remains that Vzearr is harming himself and the wiki. There is no benefactor in this situation who would not be better off with this outcome.

Well, I very regretttably agree that Vzearr seems to get too stressed out by this environment, and likely needs to try to relax and recover from all of his distress with no negative input for quite a long while.

And in addition, it isn't practically workable for our community if he continues to get uncontrollable spamming episodes.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

This has already become a highly sensitive topic atp, I would strongly advise that regular users refrain from commenting here.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

This has already become a highly sensitive topic atp, I would strongly advise that regular users refrain from commenting here.

Agree.

I just woke up and am catching up with the situation. Looking through Vzearr's deleted messages, I would agree with a permanent ban.

We have made a habit of saying that we should not form opinions based on the mental health of the user. I myself would criticize individuals suggesting we ban people for their sake. However, in addition to that concern, I think what Grath said is just plainly accurate. With the rate of degradation here, it seems that neither party will benefit from this, and I don't find conditions likely to improve. We are in a negative feedback loop.

As people have broadly agreed with this sentence, regardless of their reasoning, I'm going to make the adjustment.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Just a little question, given that this story is (hopefully) over.

We still have the Discussion Rule on the verse which was agreed to be removed before with the unban of the verse.

The wiki did have cases where problematic individuals kept to come back with socks in an attempt to keep spreading their takes (Charmander, Sniper or Jason), but did we shut down entire verses because of this? No.

I think that the Discussion Rule should be removed from there too, and that we simply ban on the spot whoever is flagged as being a sock of Vapourrr without listening to any excuse. This is a hobby site, if people want to freerly engage with Tokyo Revengers while not having done nothing wrong, then they should do so as it's within their right to take part of the discussion. We cannot enforce a ban for everyone just because of a problematic person, as it's also a lack of respect for people who didn't break a rule at all.

 

[Arceus0x]

spot whoever is flagged as being a sock of Vapourrr without listening to any excuse

Nobody clocked in vzearr til' he confessed so this might backfire

 

[StrymULTRA]

Nobody clocked in vzearr til' he confessed so this might backfire

What's the worst possible thing that could happen, really?

Rules are made to prevent damage to a community, and I don't think that dealing with a couple socks more is gonna harm much? We have better ways to detect sockpuppetry now compared to before, and similar cases did not require to ban verses in the past.

 

[FinePoint]

Just a little question, given that this story is (hopefully) over.

We still have the Discussion Rule on the verse which was agreed to be removed before with the unban of the verse.

Yes, that should be removed.

And I agree Vzearr clearly needs an extended break from the community. I know it's already been enacted, but I hadn't commented/seen what happened until now and I figured it makes sense for the record to add my support.

 

[FinePoint]

Someone posted an appeal on my Fandom wall.

It's above my position since it's about the sock-puppet detection system, but I figured I'd pass it here.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Someone posted an appeal on my Fandom wall.

It's above my position since it's about the sock-puppet detection system, but I figured I'd pass it here.

He posted it on several walls (at least, also mine). He's denying that he did it, but we have pretty significant proof, and he's already been banned again.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Little heads up on @Vesxpura on this thread. I'll summarize the problematic posts where they just began to insult my intelligence for a skip up:

Like dude, i layed it all out, its just dependent on you to read them.

did you even read my point , its either you didnt read it, or you couldnt understand what i said. Which is fine, but really annoying.
My explanation literally addresses WHY mlps infinities dont qualify as exponentiation. I.e each door is only one universe, its a finite step. Which cannot be the case for uncountable sets (oversimplification but it gets the point across). Like dude, js read.

"the product of infinite cardinals is equal to their sum" are you tryna say the infinity +infinity infinite times is now infinite to the power infinity
Yeah quit scaling atp. Oh and just for clarification. infinity + infinity is still infinity

???? because it is? idk what this has to do with my argument. do you even know how cantor came to that conclusion
im crine

trying to appeal to popularity aint gon work
Acting like theres other people in this thread

im not responding any further because ur clearly not intelligent enough to admit when ur wrong. Ill let the mods handle this.

Can someone tell them to chill out? It's over My Little Pony of all things lol.

 

[Antvasima]

I have done so.