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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

I am aware I am not a staff member, but I should point out @Vzearr just recently got done with a ban on March this year earlier.

Post in thread 'Rule Violation Reports (New forum)'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-7436135


We shouldn’t show this much leniency to someone who just got off recently from a 3 month ban.

However, I am kinda neutral to the permanent ban there, but I must also point this out lest that part got overlooked there

Edit: It was initially a 1 month until Agnaa and Lephy point out how things are with Vzearr.


I also need to point out the staff members already being lenient towards @Vzearr when they approve the ban appeal. There is a reason why I don’t think we should abuse the lenient card in cases such as this.
 
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I think the implication that I haven’t been punished enough for what I’ve done is what’s leading to the clear distaste, no-... some hate, towards me from a fair amount of staff. That much is obvious. It’s been said by several, and it’s been shown. So if that’s the issue, then fine. If I haven’t been punished enough, then punish me properly KT. 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, a year, I don’t care. Decide what you think is appropriate and enforce it. I will accept it. Because what I’m tired of is this constant state where my name carries this weight no matter what I do. I’m tired of the likes on oppositionary posts, the dismissiveness, the way anything I say is immediately treated as less. I’m tired of being written off as incapable by staff, as someone who can’t even form his own arguments. I’m tired. I don’t believe I’m a bad person (sometimes). I genuinely try harder than people think, no, I try my hardest. But clearly, that doesn’t matter in the current state of things.

So do what you think needs to be done. If I need to be banned for longer for my "sins", then do it. If I need to be shut out completely, then do that too. Just make it clear.

If there are personal issues with me beyond that, then let’s talk about them properly. Add me on Discord, vapour5095. If there’s a problem, we can handle it like normal people instead of letting it sit and rot like this, and yeah, I'm talking to you, Bambu, KLOL, Dale, M3X. But this, this constant limbo (My homeboy), needs to end.

So if I'm banned, then so be it. I will accept what punishment I deserve for my sockpuppet activities, so that at least I can come back to the site with somewhat open arms and not have it used against me constantly, as you guys do.
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Personal request.
Unless Vzearr has been banned for more than 3 months for the prior bullshit that they've done, do not ping me to the RVR regarding them again.

I have no issue with appealing. I have issues with slaps on the wrist. I'm not giving him one because he had a self revelation that he was a bad user.
Honestly, it’s disappointing and frustrating how Vzearr keeps escaping punishment. He is a member who has contributed absolutely nothing productive. His threads are poorly made and AI-generated. His comments are generally accompanied by rudeness and sarcastic replies. He is the reason Tokyo Revengers got banned on our Wiki. He is the reason this thread has about 5 pages just to discuss what punishment to give him. He is also the reason why, apparently, we will have to assign staff or regular members to keep an eye on him. That’s just absurd.

It’s unbelievable that anything short of a permanent ban is even being considered. And it’s even more absurd that some staff members had the nerve to agree with just a ‘warning’. For the love of God, this guy created sock puppets and INFILTRATED our staff. He shows no improvement in his behavior and always causes problems.

You are protecting a member who spat on the wiki and spat on the staff. You are setting absolutely absurd precedents that will come back to haunt you.

This guy should have been banned a long time ago, and permanently, with no appeals. He is not special, he is just another problematic member that should have been dealt with already. And I’m sure this frustration I have is something that many members of this forum agree with and share.
I didn’t realize that my past actions, along with the leniency I admittedly received, had caused so much frustration among members here. I know I made mistakes in the past, some of them quite serious. At 1 point, I just wanted to hide behind the Vzearr, leave everything behind, and start fresh as a new member. I understand now that it was wrong, and I shouldn’t have done that. But I did, and over time, I realized I didn’t want to continue like that, especially if it meant being dishonest with people I care about here, like Ant and others. That’s why I eventually revealed myself. It became difficult to keep up the act, and the guilt was something I didn’t want to carry anymore. I knew I would likely face a ban for it, and I was prepared for that. Afterward, I tried to just be a normal user and be completely open, but that also led to me speaking too freely. My unfiltered way of expressing myself often came across as rude, and I understand that now. I also recognize that I’ve caused issues, partly due to my own personal struggles and transitions in life. In doing so, I may have overlooked how my behavior affected others. I understand the frustration of staff members like @KingTempest, @Dalesean027, and @KLOL506, and I’m sorry to everyone who felt hurt or disrespected because of me. At the same time, I’m human too, and it’s difficult not to be affected by the amount of negativity and hate directed at me. That said, as Kingtempest mentioned, it may be best for everyone if I receive a ban so things can settle for everyone. If a ban is necessary for this hate to settle down, I accept that. If it needs to be longer than 1 month, even six months or a year, I’m fine with that. If it helps ease tensions, then so be it. All I hope is that if I do return, I won’t be judged entirely by my past, and that people might be open to seeing me in a different light. I’d like the chance for a fresh start. And thank you to those who were still hopeful of me and didn’t lose faith in me
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Discord: Vapour5095
I debate IRL topics and powerscaling.
 
I don't know if this is a roundabout way of requesting a ban or not. We're discussing a topic ban for your rule violations.
I think he is requesting that he recieves proper punishment for his past action that other staff members seems appropriate and referring to KingTempest and M3X post about the ban, so that the tension revolving his past action not being punished appropriately can be resolved.
 
I think he is requesting that he recieves proper punishment for his past action that other staff members seems appropriate and referring to KingTempest and M3X post about the ban, so that the tension revolving his past action not being punished appropriately can be resolved.
There is no way to go back and retroactively ban him again. The ban was appealed and staff accepted, and that’s what me and Tempest were talking about.

Also, I’m just a Calc Group Member. My comment was about expressing the discontent me and several other members have about this whole issue.
 
I can't deny this is becoming an ongoing problem. Given how many people are bothered by this, including staff... In addition to almost twenty staff votes, other staff are voicing strong opinions and clearly a significant number of regular users are also following this issue. The sentiment overall seems to be fatigue with Vzearr.
 
There is no way to go back and retroactively ban him again. The ban was appealed and staff accepted, and that’s what me and Tempest were talking about.
Well then, what's the point of holding my past against me? Like, the votes are even, if we can come to a compromise where all parties are happy, great, but holding my past against me when is just not on! Look I understand that my past behavior affects how I’m perceived, but the ban was already appealed and accepted by staff, so it shouldn’t be treated as an ongoing issue. If there are concerns, they should be based on my current conduct, which has been tied.

Would a compromise be to limit my threads on Tokyo Revengers and have someone like Reiner monitor me.
 
Well then, what's the point of holding my past against me? Like, the votes are even, if we can come to a compromise where all parties are happy, great, but holding my past against me when is just not on!
Cause this shit isn't just about you anymore, it's about your actions and your treatment and punishment and how it reflects as a site everywhere.

Because now we want to punish you for the bullshit and the same stupid ass lax energy that gave a permaban issue a 3 month ban is the same stupid ass lax energy that wants to give you a warning for this
 
Well then, what's the point of holding my past against me? Like, the votes are even, if we can come to a compromise where all parties are happy, great, but holding my past against me when is just not on! Look I understand that my past behavior affects how I’m perceived, but the ban was already appealed and accepted by staff, so it shouldn’t be treated as an ongoing issue. If there are concerns, they should be based on my current conduct, which has been tied.
Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean we have to ignore it. I think you and some people here are forgetting something very important: you are not being judged for what you did recently. You are being judged as a whole. It's a snowball effect.

You were banned, 3 months later you managed to reverse the situation and return under specific conditions. Those conditions were not met on your part. In fact, those conditions were broken. You came back and immediately caused problems. And it's always the same pattern, with the same subject and the same work in question.
Would a compromise be to limit my threads on Tokyo Revengers and have someone like Reiner monitor me.
I don't know. I don't decide anything. I don't make suggestions about what the staff can do. If it were up to me, you would have been permanently banned the moment you confessed to having a sock puppet.

And please, let's make a point of this being the last interaction between the two of us in this thread. We don't need to debate anything further, we shouldn't even be doing this. Other people will decide what to do.

You are very lucky that you are receiving a topic ban, maybe not even that, maybe you'll receive a restriction that, in the end, will change absolutely nothing, because you should be permanently banned. And that is a sentiment that myself and many others, including high-ranking staff members, agree with.
 
Cause this shit isn't just about you anymore, it's about your actions and your treatment and punishment and how it reflects as a site everywhere.

Because now we want to punish you for the bullshit and the same stupid ass lax energy that gave a permaban issue a 3 month ban is the same stupid ass lax energy that wants to give you a warning for this
First of all, you should not be talking to me like this nor to the staff who decided to unban me. Have some respect. You're a staff member, since when was this kind of behaviour allowed on site, especially from an authority?

I do not hold hate any longer. So please. Try to be more kind.
 
First of all, you should not be talking to me like this nor to the staff who decided to unban me. Have some respect. You're a staff member, since when was this kind of behaviour allowed on site, especially from an authority?

I do not hold hate any longer. So please. Try to be more kind.
The same soft ass energy that makes you think I'm disrespecting YOU by calling out the staff that allowed you back is the same soft ass energy that allowed you to come back to this site after desecrating quite literally everything we stand for.

Nobody is worried about you. We're worried about our standards and which staff choose to follow them or which ones want to show mercy to the person who left the largest stain on the wiki. Don't piss me off.
 
Since this is dragging, and people have consistently failed to take measures to prevent it from dragging I will do so.

I will, from this post onward, strictly enforce a moderately tighter version of our general policy:
  • Posts from non-staff users will only be permitted if they add new information to a report. "Information" is distinct from "interpretation", it means concrete evidence which has been overlooked.
  • Posts from staff users will only be permitted if they are declaring their judgement (in cases where their judgement was previously unclear or different (such as endorsing a compromise)), forwarding a new argument, or providing an updated summary of votes.
Posts which don't align with that will be deleted, and excessive violations will result in a thread ban (outside of thread mods, admins, super mods, and bureaucrats, who I will instead refer to the rest of HR).

If any of my actions for this are believed to be done in error, please DM me.
 
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Everybody please calm down here.

Should we use Bambu's compromise solution of a limited number of Vzearr-started threads and Reiner monitoring Vzearr?

Also, the issues complicating this are that Vzearr genuinely doesn't mean any harm, and has gone to extremes attempting to help out our community, and openly confessed to his wrongdoings, and this particular case seems to just be a minor issue in itself, but he is mentally ill and sometimes unable to properly control his behaviour.

He is not a malicious person at all, so I would greatly appreciate if others here do not take him as a worse problem than he is. 🙏
 
Everybody please calm down here.

Should we use Bambu's compromise solution of a limited number of Vzearr-started threads and Reiner monitoring Vzearr?

Also, the issues complicating this are that Vzearr genuinely doesn't mean any harm, and has gone to extremes attempting to help out our community, and openly confessed to his wrongdoings, and this particular case seems to just be a minor issue in itself, but is mentally ill and sometimes unable to properly control his behaviour.

He is not a malicious person at all, so I would greatly appreciate if others here do not take him as a worse problem than he is. 🙏
Personally I don't like the precedent that's being set here, not even a full 2 months back Chariot was literally almost given a several month ban for saying goons and being a bit harsh about telling people to not be dishonest in threads, that's a far cry less than this and he's only getting off with a slap on the wrist? Genuinely the whole monitoring the verse thing is stuff we already did way back as the solution with major staff intervention while locking the verse to limited users, why is the compromise for it coming back and having problems literal exact same thing of simply just having it be monitored? that literally makes 0 sense imo, like where do we genuinely draw the line for this kinda thing.
 
For the record, I don't think that anybody should be punished in the slightest for saying the word "goon".

Like Grath, I just think that the severity of this particular situation has been very overblown, but despite feeling sorry for Vzearr due to knowing about his personal situation, I agree with Damage that a final warning with a following Tokyo Revengers topic ban if Vzearr is unable to control his behaviour again is unfortunately likely necessary, in combination with Bambu's suggested compromise solution, but if other members systematically goad a mentally ill person into eventually lashing out, that should obviously not be an acceptable reason. 🙏
 
but if other members systematically goad a mentally ill person into eventually lashing out, that should obviously not be an acceptable reason.
Respectfully Ant this has yet to occur so I'm not even sure why its being used as a defense here? and besides we aren't therapist, we aren't psychiatrist, we aren't mental health specialist, we're hobbyist on a indexing wiki who all have lives and day to day problems and responsiblities. Vzearr isn't the only person here with a mental illness and we've had many such users who do have them but that alone isn't enough to continue to give infinite leeway to things that would have permabanned other users 5 times over by now but I digress, that's my final thoughts there
 
I was mentioning that as an advance precaution, not to refer to this particular case.

Also, Vzearr actually is trying to keep his behaviour under control, but his mental difficulties are very severe in several respects.

Anyway, to answer earlier criticism, I am a sappy/idealistic and empathetic sort of person. I want this community to be as friendly and considerate as possible. If I wasn't a sappy person, the direction of this community would likely have turned much nastier and much more meanspirited than it did. 🙏
 
not even a full 2 months back Chariot was literally almost given a several month ban for saying goons and being a bit harsh about telling people to not be dishonest in threads,
I do remember taking part in Chariot’s case. Initially, I was of the opinion that what he was being reported for didn’t warrant even a warning, even though he was admittedly rude to Lacku. However, after it was pointed out by other staff members that this was a consistent pattern, I agreed that a warning was appropriate. Some staff members supported a ban due to Chariot’s past behavior, as he had been banned before for similar issues. I wasn’t in favor of that. While I do think past instances matter, the severity of the current case matters just as much. In that situation, I felt that Chariot’s rude remarks toward Lacku at least had an understandable context or atleast origin, and he wasn’t being rude purely for the sake of it, so i refrained from anything harsh. We should consider past reports and patterns, yes, but I don’t think the current report is severe enough, nor is it fundamentally tied to TR, to justify such a strict outcome. For the same reason I was lenient in Chariot’s case, and similarly in Azerty’s case, I believe a more lenient approach is appropriate here as well. But that's just me, i was likely an exception in chariot's case to think that way anyways.
 
Having been one of the first to suggest the one thread limit, I definitely agree with that. I don't know if it's fair on Reiner to have to monitor it all, but most definitely Vzearr needs to be reigned in on TR.

Also, I wonder if TR pages should be locked? Vzearr has made a huge number of edits to them making it hard to even tell which are approved and which aren't.

Edit: honestly, the barrage of edits including edits that were unapproved could have been interpreted as an attempt to hide those edits. There was also definite mishandling of votes. I have to say my trust in Vzearr is shaken by that. I want to be lenient, but my ability to do so is wearing thin. I have to say I'll feel compelled to support harsher action if this keeps happening.
 
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Edit: honestly, the barrage of edits including edits that were unapproved could have been interpreted as an attempt to hide those edits. There was also definite mishandling of votes. I have to say my trust in Vzearr is shaken by that. I want to be lenient, but my ability to do so is wearing thin. I have to say I'll feel compelled to support harsher action if this keeps happening.
They were approved, btw. 2 votes for yes, possibly, 1 neutral, I didn't know I would need 3 yes votes.
 
They were approved, btw. 2 votes for yes, possibly, 1 neutral, I didn't know I would need 3 yes votes.
Verse is listed as controversial, and if uncertain it's best to check or even assume you need three. Admittedly, the list of controversial verses doesn't have a listing on the Wiki. One time I wasn't sure and I had to search for "Controversial Verse" on the forum to find that list in the thread discussing it. That definitely needs to be listed in the Wiki, given how vital it is.
 
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Uhhhhhhhh...

 
Everybody please calm down here.

Should we use Bambu's compromise solution of a limited number of Vzearr-started threads and Reiner monitoring Vzearr 🙏
I'm fine with the compromise solution. I never felt super strongly about harsher punishment, I was just convinced it was practical to try something other than a warning.
 
Uhhhhhhhh...

@Oxonom2962

These kinds of discussions shouldn't happen in public. It only leads to pointless drama.

If you have accusations against any staff members you need to privately contact a member of HR.

I won't speak on the other points by DDM or if punishment is needed, but I'm saying this here in case not or for anyone else who might be reading.
I also deleted the post.
 
My friend tried, and get blocked.
@Oxonom2962

These kinds of discussions shouldn't happen in public. It only leads to pointless drama.

If you have accusations against any staff members you need to privately contact a member of HR.

I won't speak on the other points by DDM or if punishment is needed, but I'm saying this here in case not or for anyone else who might be reading.
I also deleted the post.
 
Where can i find someone from HR
@Oxonom2962

These kinds of discussions shouldn't happen in public. It only leads to pointless drama.

If you have accusations against any staff members you need to privately contact a member of HR.

I won't speak on the other points by DDM or if punishment is needed, but I'm saying this here in case not or for anyone else who might be reading.
I also deleted the post.
 
Since this is dragging, and people have consistently failed to take measures to prevent it from dragging I will do so.

I will, from this post onward, strictly enforce a moderately tighter version of our general policy:
  • Posts from non-staff users will only be permitted if they add new information to a report. "Information" is distinct from "interpretation", it means concrete evidence which has been overlooked.
  • Posts from staff users will only be permitted if they are declaring their judgement (in cases where their judgement was previously unclear or different (such as endorsing a compromise)), forwarding a new argument, or providing an updated summary of votes.
Posts which don't align with that will be deleted, and excessive violations will result in a thread ban (outside of thread mods, admins, super mods, and bureaucrats, who I will instead refer to the rest of HR).

If any of my actions for this are believed to be done in error, please DM me.
Hello Agnaa, I need you right now, can we speak together?
 
Understood. I only made an exception for VS threads since I believed some leniency was being considered for them, though I personally think leniency should apply more to CRTs than VS threads, if at all. However, if this applies to all TR related threads and is have ti be handled by volunteers only, then I’m fine with that.
I suppose I’ll go ahead and implement this without dragging it onto another page, considering a reasonable number of staff members are fine with the compromise.

@Vzearr
Moving forward, from this point on, you are only allowed to have one active thread related to TR at a time, whether it’s a CRT, VS match, Calc discussion or staff thread, only one thread across entire forum by you at a time. Regarding posts, You are not allowed to make any posts in threads related to TR, including VS matches, staff threads, Calc discussions or CRTs, unless they have been approved by a volunteer beforehand. To avoid any confusion:
  • If you create a VS match involving Tokyo Revengers, then until that match is concluded, you are not allowed to create any other thread related to TR across VS forum, whether it’s a CRT, another VS match, or a calc group discussion. This also applies to staff threads.
  • You are not allowed to post in any TR related thread across the forum unless your post has been approved by a volunteer beforehand. You must also state which volunteer approved your post at the top of your each post (as of now, I am the only volunteer).
Additionally, you are being formally warned for your rude and accusatory behavior in the Tokyo Revengers CRT, as well as your conduct in VS threads. Please ensure that this behavior is not repeated in the future under any circumstances, or a harsher punishment will be enforced.

Thats all.

Edit:
Bambu's Clarification regarding Volunteers:
 
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My friend tried, and get blocked.
Your friend was sockpuppeting. I verified this once Ant posted about it. This is just stirring the pot baselessly. If your friend were wise, he would have taken the first ban rather than create multiple sockpuppets to access a site he abused. Right now, this seems like spitefully stirring up drama, given the background information.
 
Your friend was sockpuppeting. I verified this once Ant posted about it. This is just stirring the pot baselessly. If your friend were wise, he would have taken the first ban rather than create multiple sockpuppets to access a site he abused. Right now, this seems like spitefully stirring up drama, given the background information.
You didn't have verified, I have proof that it's his main account. He created many CRT before Jason get closed. U just arguing with pathos Hidden in Logos.
 
You didn't have verified, I have proof that it's his main account. He created many CRT before Jason get closed. U just arguing with pathos Hidden in Logos.
I do have it verified.

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Your friend is either directly lying to you, or you are helping him cause drama. These are the two possibilities that exist.
 
"Potential" bud ✌🏻
What is removed is the method of detection. It is exceptionally reliable. Mixed with the actions taken by Para_Pala_Zula matching up with those of whom he has this account overlap with, "potential" is a formality.
 
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