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[Qawsedf234]

If you still believe we are acting in bad faith, @Qawsedf234 is also present in the server and can vouch for us if necessary.

I have interacted with them at the same time. While being copiloted isn't impossible, it would be difficult to do in some of the conversations I had with them.

 

[FinePoint]

That was a different system that our forum system manager tried to build to detect a greater number of sockpuppet, based on an idea from Agnaa (if I remember correctly) about fingerprinting. But that idea didn't work out and was abandoned.

This on the other hand is very different. It is XenForo's own inbuilt detection system, which only reports overlaps in cases of extreme certainty.

Okay. I will trust you, though I am reasonably hesitant to accept 'our system said so and it is flawless' as sole evidence, it seems like there is other factors here to confirm it.

In general I think it's good to be very strict on sockpuppets where it can be confirmed. It shows an unwillingness to accept punishment and a further willingness to scheme against our existing structures. If nothing else, I think it creates a severe lack of trust.

 

[Nierre]

If the system detects them overlapping then I'm for banning them for suspected sockpuppetting.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Regarding Sean, am not sure for how long we should ban him from our forum, or if bans from the discussion threads where he has been causing problems is sufficient.

Tbf Sean has made a series of weird and creepy rants in a thread from here too only because a Pokémon lost in a VS debate, so idk.

 

[Omegabronic]

Tbf Sean has made a series of weird and creepy rants in a thread from here too only because a Pokémon lost in a VS debate, so idk.

Also, as DDM said earlier, Sean already exausted his "last chance" before, he already overstepped the limits that were defined for perma ban him again, so it feels weird not to do it when he didn't improved the reason he was permabannes to begin with

 

[Antvasima]

If Vzear was brought back to the community after his long history of sockpuppeting (which got him permaban), can't it be the same for Meiou? It also helps resolve this issue faster.

Vzearr admitted it on his own initiative due to a bad conscience, without us suspecting him, was immensely helpful to our community, and is also mentally ill combined with an extremely bad real life situation.

 

[Shadow7001]

May I suggest if shadow does admit to be Meiou's sock, his ban would be lowered?

Appreciate it but no thanks. If the staff are absolutely convinced that I am a sock-puppet of another user (or at least, have heavy suspicions that I am), and they can't reveal how they found that and if there's no way or chance for me to prove otherwise, then I have no option but to accept whatever punishment they have, I guess I'm owed nothing so it's only fair I suppose. I will never admit to this falsehood so using it to lower my punishment is an attack on my dignity that I will never stand for. So yes, I have nothing further to say here. The staff may ban me for whatever duration deemed necessary up to a perma-ban if that's what's they conclude is needed. I'm out.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, as DDM said earlier, Sean already exausted his "last chance" before, he already overstepped the limits that were defined for perma ban him again, so it feels weird not to do it when he didn't improved the reason he was permabannes to begin with

Hmm. Given that my history makes my understand the sheer hell of severe mental illness, I tend to be reluctant to hand out permanent ban in cases where a member is not acting badly due to malicious intentions, but rather due to apparent mental problems, but if Sean has worn out all of his many chances, we may not have a choice anymore, but it depends on exactly how bad his behaviour has been as well of course, and on if he has been deliberately collectively provoked/bullied.

 

[Antvasima]

Appreciate it but no thanks. If the staff are absolutely convinced that I am a sock-puppet of another user (or at least, have heavy suspicions that I am), and they can't reveal how they found that and if there's no way or chance for me to prove otherwise, then I have no option but to accept whatever punishment they have, I guess I'm owed nothing so it's only fair I suppose. I will never admit to this falsehood so using it to lower my punishment is an attack on my dignity that I will never stand for. So yes, I have nothing further to say here. The staff may ban me for whatever duration deemed necessary up to a perma-ban if that's what's they conclude is needed. I'm out.

Well, Amon heavily suspected this before I checked, and then I did check and found a clear very strong overlap between those accounts. Others here can verify with @Mr. Bambu , @AKM sama , or @DontTalkDT if you wish.

I will check yet again to make certain though.

 

[Thermor]

Vzearr admitted it on his own initiative due to a bad conscience, without us suspecting him, was immensely helpful to our community, and is also mentally ill combined with an extremely bad real life situation.

Alright sorry of giving a bad suggestion. Can I suggest permaban then if Meiou continues his effort of denying it's his account? As actions like this warrants highly malicious behaviour and doesn't contribute well to the community.

 

[Antvasima]

I checked again, and yes. There have been two registered incidents of strong overlaps between those accounts.

 

[Omegabronic]

Hmm. Given that my history makes my understand the sheer hell of severe mental illness, I tend to be reluctant to hand out permanent ban in cases where a member is not acting badly due to malicious intentions, but rather due to apparent mental problems, but if Sean has worn out all of his many chances, we may not have a choice anymore, but it depends on exactly how bad his behsviour has been as well of course, and on if he has been deliberately collectively provoked/bullied.

In my case at least, he was completely unprovoked

You literally accused me of using a "crack pipe" instead of actually request scans, you did NOT ask "repeatedly talked for me to give scans for what i was talking about", not to mention you didn't give scans yourself

also you immediatly followed by saying i was "Making shit up", and even when i send scans you still stayed with the same aggressive and mock tone
You didn't actually say "thank you" neither did you "backed off"

Will leave the decision to staff, but i had to correct some things about what you said here and what you did there in the Death Battle thread, will not comment further unless requested by staff or some important information is necessary

 

[Antvasima]

Alright sorry of giving a bad suggestion. Can I suggest permaban then if Meiou continues his effort of denying it's his account? As actions like this warrants highly malicious behaviour and doesn't contribute well to the community.

Yes, the apparent attitude of shameless deceit doesn't sit well with me at all.

 

[Shadow7001]

Well, Amon heavily suspected this before I checked, and then I did check and found a clear very strong overlap between those accounts. Others here can verify with @Mr. Bambu , @AKM sama , or @DontTalkDT if you wish.

I will check yet again to make certain though.

Well I don't believe you're lying so I won't be asking those other bureaucrats, even though I obviously disagree and maintain that this is still likely a mistake and that I'm not him. Very well then, you may impose any punishment that you deem necessary.

 

[Antvasima]

In my case at least, he was completely unprovoked

Yes. I agree. The issue is if he was very stressed out from others ganging up on him previously to that, but I do not know this situation well, so it is better if other staff members help out with evaluating it.

 

[Antvasima]

Well I don't believe you're lying so I won't be asking those other bureaucrats, even though I obviously disagree and maintain that this is still likely a mistake and that I'm not him. Very well then, you may impose any punishment that you deem necessary.

Okay. I have initially applied a permanent ban (no IP blocks, as that can potentially cause problems for lots of innocent members, as it has done in the past), but if other staff members think that the block length should be reduced, feel free to mention it here.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yes. I agree. The issue is if he was very stressed out from others ganging up on him previously to that, but I do not know this situation well, so it is better if other staff members help out with evaluating it.

They weren't. Actually, Sean himself started the entire thing with a meme glazing Pkmn and downplaying Digimon, to which Omega simply responded in jest that he "missed a couple of details" and detailed couple of Digimon feats and stuff.

Then Sean started mocking him for it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. So should we ban Sean permanently, or would 1 year be sufficient?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Okay. I have initially applied a permanent ban (no IP blocks, as that can potentially cause problems for lots of innocent members, as it has done in the past), but if other staff members think that the block length should be reduced, feel free to mention it here.

I mean the issue I see here is that you're perma-banning a user without declaring the reason why and based on a completely unclear assumption that they're acting similar. This is moving very quickly with no actual evidence presented for this in my view.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I mean the issue I see here is that you're perma-banning a user without declaring the reason why and based on a completely unclear assumption that they're acting similar. This is moving very quickly with no actual evidence presented for this in my view.

I didn't deign to speak on it, but since it has been questioned, I will confirm that I can see the same information as Ant, and it does confirm that this is a case of sockpuppeting. There are few contexts where this would be mistaken-- like Fine's. As Ant says, revealing information on the subject may help people better avoid detection, which we obviously don't want.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I didn't deign to speak on it, but since it has been questioned, I will confirm that I can see the same information as Ant, and it does confirm that this is a case of sockpuppeting. There are few contexts where this would be mistaken-- like Fine's. As Ant says, revealing information on the subject may help people better avoid detection, which we obviously don't want.

Alright then, if it's that guaranteed then I guess I get it

 

[Re5yh]

Ummm, I don't really know how to say about this

The Dark Tower: Massive Downgrade (from High 1-A to 2-A & 2-C)

Marvel and DC are not part of the Dark Tower, because of copyright. However, the Mist Movie is non-canon to the original Book, but it is a part of Stephen King's creation; The Dark Tower is an omniverse of the same author. "All possible worlds" in one setting can be different from "all...

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The Dark Tower: Massive Downgrade (from High 1-A to 2-A & 2-C)

Marvel and DC are not part of the Dark Tower, because of copyright. However, the Mist Movie is non-canon to the original Book, but it is a part of Stephen King's creation; The Dark Tower is an omniverse of the same author. "All possible worlds" in one setting can be different from "all...

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[Random-Helper323]

Ummm, I don't really know how to say about this

The Dark Tower: Massive Downgrade (from High 1-A to 2-A & 2-C)

Marvel and DC are not part of the Dark Tower, because of copyright. However, the Mist Movie is non-canon to the original Book, but it is a part of Stephen King's creation; The Dark Tower is an omniverse of the same author. "All possible worlds" in one setting can be different from "all...

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This one looks like an opinion. I don't know if it has any basis, and it's a bit dark for the forum.

The Dark Tower: Massive Downgrade (from High 1-A to 2-A & 2-C)

Marvel and DC are not part of the Dark Tower, because of copyright. However, the Mist Movie is non-canon to the original Book, but it is a part of Stephen King's creation; The Dark Tower is an omniverse of the same author. "All possible worlds" in one setting can be different from "all...

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What's going on here?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Okay. So should we ban Sean permanently, or would 1 year be sufficient?

Me personally, considering he has indeed acknowledged he is part of the problem, I believe 1 year might be enough time for him to fully reflect on his actions. But that's me being hopeful.

 

[Orioreeem]

This one looks like an opinion. I don't know if it has any basis, and it's a bit dark for the forum.

Should probably be disscused then. I'm talking about that scene from it book where children had org ie before defeating pennywise.

 

[07epicgg07]

All right. I don't usually want to comment on drama. Since I'm not a staff member and I'm a Digimon supporter, I'll try to make this quick and make a comment only once as I try to make a case about Sean's behavior.

I would agree that Sean doesn't deserve a permaban IF this ridiculous behavior of his hasn't been repeated continuously. I too would also genuinely wish he would reflect on his behavior and change for the better as a person. However, as a Digimon supporter, I've seen this behavior of his especially to us repeating and I highly doubt he will change to recognize this behavior of his is extremely unhealthy.

Sean's behavior is as ridiculous offsite (such as when Sean celebrated a voice actress death as "hype" because she voiced a character in Digimon) as it is on this site. However, offsite behavior doesn't warrant a ban, let's focus his behavior on this site specifically.

In this site, he insinuate that Digimon supporters were using blogs to sneak past the site's standards and process while venting about how his blogs and CRTs aren't being passed.

The Digimon verse and the linking of blog posts

Worst Harry Potter book ever It has come to my attention that, ever since a great number of substandard Digimon profiles were deleted, identical blog posts to the profiles that were just deleted were linked to the verse instead. I did some research, and this something that the Digimon verse has...

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He pushed for Digimon profiles deletion continuously even after being continuously told Digimon supporters are working on it (while being offered proof) AND was told that Digimon supporters recently finished a CRT.

Wiki Page Deletion Requests Thread (New forum)

Are these eligible for deletion? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kimyo_Physiology https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Ember_Gym https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Talents_(Ordeal) None of them went through the CRT proccess of them being added, dont meet the P&A requirement and contain wrong...

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In the recent death battle thread, he was the one that started to provoke others and then when Omegabronic made a counterargument, Sean said Digimon debaters were as I quote "makes s*** up".

DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Its incredible how individuals find absurd ways to wank some verses just so they stand a better chance to others, if death battle actually goes same route, hearing universal YYH is gonna be a pain to hear around I mean, Death Battle is guilty of this themselves lol

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I think that crosses the line of debate. Powerscaling is indeed a subjective hobby involving debating, but he's using insults while insinuating things about Digimon supporters without any proof.

But I think my sympathy for him is gone after crossing yet another line insinuating that Digimon debaters like @Omegabronic were the reasons for why his CRTs aren't progressing.

DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

I can definitely do that (hell, with my new stuff I'm going to be giving profile makeovers left and right) Unless I see something in the manga, I'm unlikely to find anything (I'm going to be researching exclusively manga to keep canon debates to a minimum, if accepted otherwise I'll include...

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So, I don't care if he faces a year ban or permaban. Staff members are the ones that ultimately get to decide the punishment.

But hopefully I made my case through this comment as to why I don't think Sean will either reflect or change his behavior for the better.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Should probably be disscused then. I'm talking about that scene from it book where children had org ie before defeating pennywise.

Please stop throwing these comments around in discussions. If you want to remove verses for this kind of reason that needs a discussion with staff.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I very strongly doubt that Stephen King is a real life pedophile, even though his works contain philosophies and ideas that I think are very messed up, misleading, and destructive, but the Rurouni Kenshin author has genuinely legally been convicted for being one, and the Toriko author enlisted sexual services from a teenager, and we consider the works to be separate from the authors in those cases.

Speaking of which, H.P. Lovecraft was an extremely virulent racist and very likely an existential and moral nihilist, and we still keep his works here as well, even though I consider them absolutely conceptually reprehensible. John Byrne advocated for indiscriminate extermination against Arabs after the 9/11 attacks and defended planetary genocide against "dirty outer space aliens" in his stories. Stan Lee and other oldschool Marvel Comics writers used racist Asian stereotypes as enemies, and occasionally inserted "nuke 'em back to the stone age" rhetorics against outer space aliens seemingly representing "the red menace" into their stories. Bill Willingham has apparently strongly defended amoral might makes right tribalism and colonialism and Israeli supremacist extermination policies against Arabs in his stories. Many Japanese and Korean artists produce what is essentially nihilistic absolutely amoral gorn or even ultranationalistic/jingoistic fascist propaganda, and some of them have likely produced hentai, with all its inherent implications, and so onwards with many other examples.

I am the first to admit that much of the media that has been produced in both the west and the east amounts to extremely socially, psychologically, and spiritually destructive and corruptive cultural cancer. Honestly processing and satirising that was much of the point of my old story. But I don't think that we can begin to censor all works or authors that do not live up to reasonable moral standards, as we would end up with almost none of them left at the end. And I also don't want us to go down an arbitrarily subjective censorship totalitarian path.

 

[Antvasima]

Me personally, considering he has indeed acknowledged he is part of the problem, I believe 1 year might be enough time for him to fully reflect on his actions. But that's me being hopeful.

I am fine with a 1 year ban, but it depends on what other staff members here think as well.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I very strongly doubt that Stephen King is a real life pedophile, even though his works contain philosophies and ideas that I think are very messed up, misleading, and destructive, but the Rurouni Kenshin author has genuinely legally been convicted for being one, and the Toriko author enlisted sexual services from a teenager, and we consider the works to be separate from the authors in those cases.

Speaking of which, H.P. Lovecraft was an extremely virulent racist and very likely an existential and moral nihilist, and we still keep his work here as well, even though I consider them absolutely conceptually reprehensible. John Byrne advocated for indiscriminate extermination against Arabs after the 9/11 attacks and defended planetary genocide against "dirty outer space aliens" in his stories. Stan Lee and other oldschool Marvel Comics writers used racist Asian stereotypes as enemies, and occasionally inserted "nuke 'em back to the stone age" rhetorics against outer space aliens seemingly representing "the red menace" into their stories. Bill Willingham has apparently strongly defended amoral might makes right tribalism and colonialism and Israeli supremacist extermination policies against Arabs in his stories. Many Japanese and Korean artists produce what is essentially nihilistic absolutely amoral gorn or even ultranationalistic/jingoistic fascist propaganda, and some of them have likely produced hentai, with all its inherent implications, and so onwards with many other examples.

I am the first to admit that much of the media that has been produced in both the west and the east amounts to extremely socially, psychologically, and spiritually destructive and corruptive cultural cancer. Honestly processing and satirising that was much of the point of my old story. But I don't think that we can begin to censor all works or authors that do not live up to reasonable moral standards, as we would end up with almost none of them left at the end. And I also don't want us to go down an arbitrary subjective censorship totalitarian path.

That said, we do have the following page to clarify what is or isn't accepted in our wiki.

Acceptable Content Rating Scale

The Acceptable Content Rating Scale is a tool of measurement used to define what material is acceptable to be hosted on the site. As this website is a place for people of all ages, user discretion is advised when viewing verses with these ratings attached. Level 1: Suggestive - Verses with...

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[StrymULTRA]

I am fine with a 1 year ban, but it depends on what other staff members here think as well.

@DarkDragonMedeus: Long or permaban
@Maverick_Zero_X: Long or permaban
@Reiner04: Long or permaban

Sean's behavior is as ridiculous offsite (such as when Sean celebrated a voice actress death as "hype" because she voiced a character in Digimon) as it is on this site. However, offsite behavior doesn't warrant a ban, let's focus his behavior on this site specifically.

Actually you can report for stuff off-site if it falls in this stuff.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Regarding the random Stephen King discourse: as previously mentioned, nothing suggests Stephen King himself is a pedophile any more than George Romero was a cannibal for writing about zombies or Brandon Sanderson is a murderer for depicting death. The scenes Stephen King writes are disturbing-- he is a horror writer, and this is largely the intent. Writing a scene does not necessitate condoning what occurs in the scene. Furthermore, as mentioned, it falls to us to judge these in context; we allow many works that are made by generally awful people (Ant has mentioned the Cthulhu Mythos, might I forward Harry Potter, etc), because the work is to be interpreted devoid of the creator.

Regarding the Sean situation: I think a one year ban is fine, though we must be very, very cautious regarding appeals. I personally feel this is a rather light sentence, given the incessant volume of the reports, but it is within the lower bounds of acceptability.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Well, I very strongly doubt that Stephen King is a real life pedophile, even though his works contain philosophies and ideas that I think are very messed up, misleading, and destructive, but the Rurouni Kenshin author has genuinely legally been convicted for being one, and the Toriko author enlisted sexual services from a teenager, and we consider the works to be separate from the authors in those cases.

Speaking of which, H.P. Lovecraft was an extremely virulent racist and very likely an existential and moral nihilist, and we still keep his work here as well, even though I consider them absolutely conceptually reprehensible. John Byrne advocated for indiscriminate extermination against Arabs after the 9/11 attacks and defended planetary genocide against "dirty outer space aliens" in his stories. Stan Lee and other oldschool Marvel Comics writers used racist Asian stereotypes as enemies, and occasionally inserted "nuke 'em back to the stone age" rhetorics against outer space aliens seemingly representing "the red menace" into their stories. Bill Willingham has apparently strongly defended amoral might makes right tribalism and colonialism and Israeli supremacist extermination policies against Arabs in his stories. Many Japanese and Korean artists produce what is essentially nihilistic absolutely amoral gorn or even ultranationalistic/jingoistic fascist propaganda, and some of them have likely produced hentai, with all its inherent implications, and so onwards with many other examples.

I am the first to admit that much of the media that has been produced in both the west and the east amounts to extremely socially, psychologically, and spiritually destructive and corruptive cultural cancer. Honestly processing and satirising that was much of the point of my old story. But I don't think that we can begin to censor all works or authors that do not live up to reasonable moral standards, as we would end up with almost none of them left at the end. And I also don't want us to go down an arbitrary subjective censorship totalitarian path.

Well, there are many writers who depict horrible acts in the story, but usually the action is carried out by an antagonist and used to show why they are evil (Frieza from DB, Goblins from Goblin Slayer, etc.) or is treated as a flaw the character overcomes (Bakugo from MHA, Laxus from Fairy Tail). So just depicting evil action or thought isn't the same as endorsing it. The thing that causes issues is when the story clearly endorses these actions and attitudes. Also worthy of note is that forgiving isn't the same as endorsing.

Anyway, content guidelines have been discussed to death. Basically verses can have messed up violence and dirty content provided these things aren't on the pages and provided the story isn't literally all about the sexual content. I doubt Stephen King's books would be disallowed if sick garbage like The Boys is allowed.

 

[07epicgg07]

Actually you can report for stuff off-site if it falls in this stuff.

My last comment (unless needed), but:

Thank you for informing me. I didn't know about offsite rules. I should've checked .

Regardless, as I don't have the physical proof of Sean's disgusting comment on Philece Sampler (may she Rest in Peace) and since I wanted to specifically focus on Sean's behavior on this site, I decided not to focus on it.

I may try to report his offsite behavior, but since you guys are deciding his punishment (plus I'm tired currently), I'll leave it for now.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I may try to report his offsite behavior, but since you guys are deciding his punishment (plus I'm tired currently), I'll leave it for now.

I think it can be relevant for a re-evaluation tbf, plus none is rushing anything, take your time.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Regarding the Sean situation: I think a one year ban is fine, though we must be very, very cautious regarding appeals. I personally feel this is a rather light sentence, given the incessant volume of the reports, but it is within the lower bounds of acceptability.

No possibility of appeal imo. The full year uninterrupted.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, there are many writers who depict horrible acts in the story, but usually the action is carried out by an antagonist and used to show why they are evil (Frieza from DB, Goblins from Goblin Slayer, etc.) or is treated as a flaw the character overcomes (Bakugo from MHA, Laxus from Fairy Tail). So just depicting evil action or thought isn't the same as endorsing it. The thing that causes issues is when the story clearly endorses these actions and attitudes. Also worthy of note is that forgiving isn't the same as endorsing.

Yes, but I was referring to a few among many stories where voice of the author protagonists expressed such views. If I remember correctly, the term "war of northern aggression" was also used by Bill Willingham within his "Fables" comicbook to describe the American Civil War to liberate dark-skinned people from slavery, and he twisted the concept of abortion clinics into systematic dark magic blood sacrifice to empower a child-murdering cannibalistic witch. In sum total, I definitely have an extremely bad impression of the moral character of Willingham and many other authors.

Anyway, content guidelines have been discussed to death. Basically verses can have messed up violence and dirty content provided these things aren't on the pages and provided the story isn't literally all about the sexual content. I doubt Stephen King's books would be disallowed if sick garbage like The Boys is allowed.

Yes to a degree at least. Although "The Boys" TV series is much more of a satire of the worst actually existing social tendencies in the USA with an actual moral heart and purpose underneath it, as opposed to Garth Ennis' original extremely sick comicbook series, which was his usual style of diseased hateful nihilistic pointless gratuitious sadistic ultraviolence. It is one of very few instances where a non-faithful adaptation is much superior to the original product. However, it is still definitely not to my taste. It seems way too gross and morbid.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Yes, but I was referring to a few among many stories where voice of the author protagonists expressed such views. If I remember correctly, the term "war of northern aggression" was also used by Bill Willingham within his "Fables" comicbook to describe the American Civil War to liberate dark-skinned people from slavery, and he twisted the concept of abortion clinics into systematic dark magic blood sacrifice to empower a child-murdering cannibalistic witch. In sum total, I definitely have an extremely bad impression of the moral character of Willingham and many other authors.

Yeah, sometimes you have to think and realise the "hero" is a villain, or the story is endorsing a disgusting action. I have noticed many stories downplay such things though, usually by pitting them against a more evil enemy. You'll get a faction that practices slavery and never ends the practice, but it's treated as okay somehow because their enemy faction just wipes everyone out completely. Even worse, you'll sometimes get a case where someone does something far worse than the antagonist, but the antagonist is still depicted as worse despite clearly not being as bad.

Honestly, you and I could both go on about this for ages, and everyone else's heads will spin reading it all, so it might be best not to let either of us really get started.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. It is best if we stop now.

 

[Armorchompy]

I would like to report BlackDarkness because of his behavior in this thread, where he immediately and repeatedly accuses Glassman of targeting him unfairly, and more recently me as well after an official warning. He is a member with a history of toxic behavior especially in Tekken CRTs and this is just the latest of many such cases.