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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

How are we like 9 pages in since the appeal and still have no verdict? He has made multiple sockpuppets, used aggressive behavior in general, made a rant to AKM sama, and probably more. This has gotten to the point where the spoiled kid got caught by the teacher for cheating multiple times and gets expelled, but the student tries to keep on denying that he didn't cheat and asks for another chance, that he will never cheat again. And now, the faculty and staff are involved in judging the verdict if he should be kept expelled or not. The votes are in favor of keeping him expelled. In this case, keeping him banned. Shouldn't this be a wrap by now?
 
How are we like 9 pages in since the appeal and still have no verdict? He has made multiple sockpuppets, used aggressive behavior in general, made a rant to AKM sama, and probably more. This has gotten to the point where the spoiled kid got caught by the teacher for cheating multiple times and gets expelled, but the student tries to keep on denying that he didn't cheat and asks for another chance, that he will never cheat again. And now, the faculty and staff are involved in judging the verdict if he should be kept expelled or not. The votes are in favor of keeping him expelled. In this case, keeping him banned. Shouldn't this be a wrap by now?
I think the issue is more of if he's allowed to make future appeals, which I dont see why that should happen,though i havent experienced how the guy is like first hand.
 
If this is just about regular life outside the site, it's of no concern to me.
Yeah it's about outside stuff, but I think that's even more indicative that people can change given enough time.
You're being pedantic, and I hope not intentionally. In what world do we let a permabanned user who has made constant rejected appeals that amounted to "pretty please?" with empty promises just because... he did so again?
I'm pointing out how you're appealing to "the rules", when in reality, you're appealing to your own subjective opinions on how our punishments should happen.
Permaban appeals rarely even happen, and when they do, it's for a damn good reason
From my experience, a lot of them have been like this. A permabanned user comes back a few years later, says they've changed as a person, and asks for an unban. It's comparatively much rarer for them to be something like, it being demonstrated that they were banned under false pretenses.
How are we like 9 pages in since the appeal and still have no verdict? He has made multiple sockpuppets, used aggressive behavior in general, made a rant to AKM sama, and probably more. This has gotten to the point where the spoiled kid got caught by the teacher for cheating multiple times and gets expelled, but the student tries to keep on denying that he didn't cheat and asks for another chance, that he will never cheat again. And now, the faculty and staff are involved in judging the verdict if he should be kept expelled or not.
?????

Is Charmander denying that he made sockpuppets and made aggressive comments?
The votes are in favor of keeping him expelled. In this case, keeping him banned. Shouldn't this be a wrap by now?
They're not.
I believe the margin is 6 - 5 actually, although I may be mistaken.

6 - Me, Glass, DDM, Damage, Crab, Prop
5 - Bambu, Ant, Finepoint, Reiner, Kingtempest
Which wasn't including me, and I land more in the latter camp (with not wanting an unban now, but being open to one after a further year or two of no offences).

So we are seemingly deadlocked 6-6 among voting staff. Still deadlocked 3-3 even if we just go to admins and above.
 
I think we're gonna need more staff votes to determine this then, but the ones I've tagged haven't responded yet. AKM's viewpoint is especially important in this.

Qawsedf said he was fine with either a permaban without any chance to appeal or a permaban with a chance to appeal a year or two down the line (In both cases he agreed to keep Charmander banned) so IDK what category to put him in.
 
Yeah it's about outside stuff, but I think that's even more indicative that people can change given enough time.
And it's not our job to monitor that. And again... Constant trend of broken promises here
I'm pointing out how you're appealing to "the rules", when in reality, you're appealing to your own subjective opinions on how our punishments should happen.
So you're being intentionally pedantic, got it. Because that's the only conclusion one can come to if your response is "if the rules do not specifically say this exactly then you're not appealing to the rules."

I'd say my "subjective opinion" is more in line with the rules, and your input has come off as simply contrarian
From my experience, a lot of them have been like this. A permabanned user comes back a few years later, says they've changed as a person, and asks for an unban. It's comparatively much rarer for them to be something like, it being demonstrated that they were banned under false pretenses.
And we shouldn't humor these things. You don't see this in people getting permabanned from Discord servers for example. Especially in this case where he demonstrably hasn't changed
 
The staff members here with voting rights in this regard already reached the conclusion that Charmander would be allowed to appeal after one year from now if he does not cause any problems in the meantime, due to how narrow the vote count for each side was. Let's move on please. 🙏
 
Yes. I banned them.

It was rather funny high-effort satirical trolling though. 🙏
One example:
It's because of [idiots] like you that schools now make kids read total FODDERVERSES like the Great Gatsby or the Grapes of Wrath and not TRUE TOP TIER VERSES like Marvel, DC, SCP, World of Darkness or the works of HP Lovecraft, the most brilliant and intelligent mind of the 21st century and a man I aspire to be everyday!
🤣

(To provide some context, as far as I am aware, H.P. Lovecraft was an incredibly negative moral and existential nihilist, and a virulent racist supremacist.)
 
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I am honestly not sure if it was a good idea to ban that troll, or if we should just give him a strict warning to stop. 😅
 
I am honestly not sure if it was a good idea to ban that troll, or if we should just give him a strict warning to stop. 😅
Well, given that they just made the account, and the name is just random letters, and that is their very first post, and that they seem to be mocking our community, I highly doubt they intend on doing anything else.

So it's probably still good to ban them.

Edit: Apparently they actually made the account in 2021, which I don't know if that's better or worse.
 
That's fair. I'd be in favor of a light warning too, if only to promote attentiveness.
I know I slept past the discussion, but I'm of this opinion. I don't necessarily know if listing me as an agreement was a mistake or purposeful, but it's a light enough fumble either way.
 
I am honestly not sure if it was a good idea to ban that troll, or if we should just give him a strict warning to stop.
What do our other staff members here think? 🙏
 
Given the gibberish username, and lack of other contributions, I'm happy with any ban of at least a month. I don't think they were seriously engaging, so we should get them out for a bit, but I think there's a reasonable chance of them seriously engaging at some point in the future.
 
Okay. So just a 1 month ban and a warning to stop trolling, not a permanent block then? 🙏
 
So I was talking to astral. And it seems that his ban is still 3 months. Wasn’t there a discussion for an additional 3 months? Shouldn’t 2 additional months be added since about a month has passed since his ban? Or was the ban still just 3 months
 
So I was talking to astral. And it seems that his ban is still 3 months. Wasn’t there a discussion for an additional 3 months? Shouldn’t 2 additional months be added since about a month has passed since his ban? Or was the ban still just 3 months
Guess case is concluded then. Now the following needs to be done:
  1. Extend Astral's ban by 3 months.
  2. Discussion rule regarding ban on the use of human edited MTL for the verse unless approved by our TL members or someone fluent in Japanese.
  3. Reverting the changes made by Astral, preferably where he used MTLs or edited MTLs, including deletion of cosmology page temporarily (as it is entirety of Astral's Translation)
Discussion Rule that needs to be added:
It seems like it was indeed decided to extend it by three months.
 
I just checked his wiki account is banned until June 16, but his forum ban lasts until September. Any reason for the difference?
We probably simply forgot to lengthen his wiki ban.

If somebody links to both of his accounts here, I or somebody else can handle it. 🙏
 
Given the gibberish username, and lack of other contributions, I'm happy with any ban of at least a month. I don't think they were seriously engaging, so we should get them out for a bit, but I think there's a reasonable chance of them seriously engaging at some point in the future.
Okay. So just a 1 month ban and a warning to stop trolling, not a permanent block then? 🙏
I think that's reasonable.
I handled it. 🙏
 
Reporting @Nobushibu they made derogatory edits to @Shiroiyo profile calling them gay. This seems to be a recurrent problem and @Shiroiyo reported this in wiki vandalism thread . Putting it here since this is the apporaite thread and this is basically just bullying. This being @Nobushibu response which is very rude and seems to acknowledge the harrssment they did.
 
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Hey, i dont really want to be instigating this still, but theres more issues regarding the Pokemon verse

The user Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera is continuing to use uncredited fanart on the Pokemon Verse page, despite it being against the rules.

I had dropped a message in the Pokemon Discussion thread regarding it and the removal of a QoL edit to the Verse i made ages ago, asking them not to keep adding onto the issue until users have the time to change everything since the majority of the Pokemon Verse is the use of stolen/uncredited fanart. This was something talked about before, but obviously it will be a huge dedication of time in replacing all of those images amongst the other goings-on with the Pokemon Verse, which it would be appreciated if we could plug the problem for now as opposed to continually using fanart

This has now caused yet another argument regarding the said user, who refuses to stop using the uncredited fanart despite me and others telling him multiple times it is not something we want to keep adding onto for whenever it can be fixed. Could a mod tell him directly please that this is against the rules, because i feel he's just being stubborn about it because its coming from me.

The edit where hes continuing to add uncredited fanart over official sources: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pokémon?diff=9020227&oldid=8986033
 
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@Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera

Nobody’s telling you can’t use the Fan-art (assuming the consensus is that it’s superior to the official art), you just have to give credit. It’s literally that simple, I truly don’t know why you refuse to.
Yeah, this is why we don't take your opinions into account. Literally only you care about these "issues" and here you are attacking people who have much bigger things to worry about.
If that were the case then it wouldn’t be in the rules.
Yeah, I'm not doing that. Make a CRT for it or stop telling me how to make updates to the verse page.
No CRT needed for this.

Considering that the user is knowingly refusing to follow site policy, I support a warning.
 
Okay. I suppose that an official warning and update to our warning tracker seems appropriate then.

Also, I think that it is perfectly fine to give artist link credits within the wiki pages for the uploaded image files themselves, so it should likely not cause any problems. 🙏
 
Nobody’s telling you can’t use the Fan-art (assuming the consensus is that it’s superior to the official art), you just have to give credit. It’s literally that simple, I truly don’t know why #
To be fair, this is for the Pokemon Verse, which has heaps of official art stemming from the games, anime screencaps, TCG etc. while the Verse page on the wiki has been using uncredited fanart since likely the beginning. Theres no real reason to be using fanart anymore, its just going to be a huge task to replace every non-official image for the hundreds of pages Pokemon as a Verse has. So its seemingly preferred from the people who have commented so far that we shouldn't really opt to be using fanart in the first place anymore.
 
Well, official art is obviously usually preferable, as long as it is of high quality and features each respective depicted character's entire standing upright body with a removed background. 🙏
 
Considering that the user is knowingly refusing to follow site policy, I support a warning.
I also support an official warning.

However, I also want to say that as someone knowledgeable on the verse, I see absolutely zero reason to ever use fan art for Pokemon.

There is countless official images of every single Pokemon and character, even in different styles.
 
Hey, i dont really want to be instigating this still, but theres more issues regarding the Pokemon verse

The user Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera is continuing to use uncredited fanart on the Pokemon Verse page, despite it being against the rules.

I had dropped a message in the Pokemon Discussion thread regarding it and the removal of a QoL edit to the Verse i made ages ago, asking them not to keep adding onto the issue until users have the time to change everything since the majority of the Pokemon Verse is the use of stolen/uncredited fanart. This was something talked about before, but obviously it will be a huge dedication of time in replacing all of those images amongst the other goings-on with the Pokemon Verse, which it would be appreciated if we could plug the problem for now as opposed to continually using fanart

This has now caused yet another argument regarding the said user, who refuses to stop using the uncredited fanart despite me and others telling him multiple times it is not something we want to keep adding onto for whenever it can be fixed. Could a mod tell him directly please that this is against the rules, because i feel he's just being stubborn about it because its coming from me.

The edit where hes continuing to add uncredited fanart over official sources: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pokémon?diff=9020227&oldid=8986033
You're really playing the victim in all of this? You really ran to the mods the second I told you you're lucky I didn't report you for vandalism?

Users won't "have time to change everything", because nobody is working on the issue at all, and you are refusing to do it yourself, so what you are asking me to do is just not add profiles to the verse page for all eternity... and that's IF such a massive change won't need a CRT.

I'm not refusing to stop using uncredited fanart. I'm refusing to do things solely because you tell me to because of the pure distain you have towards anything I do. The Editing Rules say, "while Fan art can serve as a suitable alternative to official art in instances where the mentioned is of inferior quality or fails to capture the essence or details of the characters or subjects effectively". Pokemon has a unique issue, because 99% of all the good official art for a profile belongs in their Gallery instead of being suitable for the verse page's icon. Even in the edit you just gave, I used official art for Pikachu (PokePark)'s icon because an official artwork was perfect for it. In fact, there IS no fanart of The Mech (or regular art), so I just used the same picture as in the profile.

I never "continued", that was just the one edit where I did that, which sparked the whole argument in the first place and came prior to you telling me what to do. Stop spinning this like I've repeatedly gone and done my own thing multiple times.
 
You're really playing the victim in all of this? You really ran to the mods the second I told you you're lucky I didn't report you for vandalism?
Im not a victim of anything, although 'you're lucky i didnt report you for vandalism' (which i didnt do) sounds a bit threatening
Users won't "have time to change everything", because nobody is working on the issue at all, and you are refusing to do it yourself, so what you are asking me to do is just not add profiles to the verse page for all eternity... and that's IF such a massive change won't need a CRT.
I'm not refusing, it just is a huge task to replace all this fanart thats been present since the beginning of the page's creation. It takes a lot of picture farming, downloading, and replacing for most of the current profiles. And right now, irl, i havent got time to do all that on my own.
It wouldnt need a CRT to fix a blatant aspect of the page that goes against the current rules, but like others' in the discussion thread have said, it is worth making a thread and discussing how we go about it to maximise
I'm not refusing to stop using uncredited fanart. I'm refusing to do things solely because you tell me to because of the pure distain you have towards anything I do. The Editing Rules say, "while Fan art can serve as a suitable alternative to official art in instances where the mentioned is of inferior quality or fails to capture the essence or details of the characters or subjects effectively". Pokemon has a unique issue, because 99% of all the good official art for a profile belongs in their Gallery instead of being suitable for the verse page's icon. Even in the edit you just gave, I used official art for Pikachu (PokePark)'s icon because an official artwork was perfect for it. In fact, there IS no fanart of The Mech (or regular art), so I just used the same picture as in the profile.
This isnt about disdain or personal grudge. The point is, fanart shouldnt be exploited and used without its creators' permission for this site because its not only part of the rules, but immoral.

A) Most pokemon pages dont have this gallery (or need it, since a lot of it is irrelevant to the powerscaling aspect of the character)
B) What you consider good official art is subjective, and doesnt rule out things to the point you need to take fanart.
C) Its fine to reuse images for icons on a separate page if the image is already being used in a gallery.
D) Icons dont necessarily need to 'capture the essence', they just visually need to show what page they're linking to. I agree they dont have to be barebones boring, but Pokemon isnt lacking that whatsoever
E) Theres still tons upon tons of viable official art for Pokemon.
I never "continued", that was just the one edit where I did that, which sparked the whole argument in the first place and came prior to you telling me what to do. Stop spinning this like I've repeatedly gone and done my own thing multiple times.
And that was initially fine, I just wanted to let you know that it is against the rules to keep using uncredited fanart, i didnt intend to punish or berate you about it because the page still has tons of taken fanart. Onlt that it is preferable if you could not contribute to that current problem (While also reversing a useful QoL edit i made a year ago for the sake of it). Its when it suddenly became an argument, and you refused to stop taking peoples fanart without their permission and credit despite knowing it is against the rules.
 
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there IS no fanart of The Mech (or regular art)
There is plenty of very clear shots from the movie which can simply be rendered, but we probably shouldn't clutter this thread with specific debate on specific art since it's not the focus.

Looking through your post history, you do come off as a bit aggressive in your interactions, and threatening to report people (rather than simply doing it) is probably frowned upon.
 
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