Roronoa Zoro vs Askin Nakk Le Vaar

[Johner2133451]

Roronoa Zoro (Post-Timeskip)

Roronoa Zoro (ロロノア・ゾロ?), also known by his former epithet of "Pirate Hunter" after the Raid his new title of "The King of Hell", is the premier swordsman of the Straw Hat Pirates and a member of the Monster Trio. Recruited as a mildly notorious bounty hunter (hence his “Pirate Hunter” moniker)...

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Askin Nakk Le Vaar

Askin Nakk Le Vaar (アスキン・ナックルヴァール, Asukin Nakkuruvāru?) is a Quincy and a member of the Wandenreich's Sternritter with the designation "D" - "The Deathdealing", as well as one of Yhwach's Schutzstaffel (親衛隊シュッツシュタッフェル, Shuttsushutafferu?) German for "Protective Echelon", Japanese for...

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Speed equalized

 

[Kachon123]

Normally, Zoro is slightly stronger than Uryu's Blut (33.6 Exatons vs 33.2 Exatons). His Buso makes him 2x stronger than Uryu's Blut and 8x with his Hao. Does Uryu have an way to mitigate taking large amounts of damage from Zoro's attacks? If not, I don't see how Zoro loses here, especially since he has blitz-level amps stacked with durability negation as well as good precognition.

 

[Johner2133451]

Normally, Zoro is slightly stronger than Uryu's Blut (33.6 Exatons vs 33.2 Exatons). His Buso makes him 2x stronger than Uryu's Blut and 8x with his Hao. Does Uryu have an way to mitigate taking large amounts of damage from Zoro's attacks? If not, I don't see how Zoro loses here, especially since he has blitz-level amps stacked with durability negation as well as good precognition.

Uryu has anti thesis which could come in handy

 

[Deceived3596]

Uryu will be upgraded in a couple weeks to 4-A or 2-C. So I don't think the thread should be made because the outcome is ultimately meaningless. If y'all want to continue the debate regardless of that, then continue on. I'm just letting everyone know what is going to happen in the near-future.

 

[Robo432343]

tier 2 is so cringe

 

[Johner2133451]

Uryu will be upgraded in a couple weeks to 4-A or 2-C. So I don't think the thread should be made because the outcome is ultimately meaningless. If y'all want to continue the debate regardless of that, then continue on. I'm just letting everyone know what is going to happen in the near-future.

How does Uryu gets to 2-C

 

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How does Uryu gets to 2-C

Scaling to Squad 0 and Ichigo.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Normally, Zoro is slightly stronger than Uryu's Blut (33.6 Exatons vs 33.2 Exatons). His Buso makes him 2x stronger than Uryu's Blut and 8x with his Hao. Does Uryu have an way to mitigate taking large amounts of damage from Zoro's attacks? If not, I don't see how Zoro loses here, especially since he has blitz-level amps stacked with durability negation as well as good precognition.

Uryu's Antithesis lets him swap all damage he takes to whatever (or whoever) he chooses.

But, anyway, as Deceived said, Uryu's getting upgraded in a few weeks to 2-C and possibly MFTL, so it'd be a stomp.

 

[Johner2133451]

Scaling to Squad 0 and Ichigo.

But their profiles aren't 2-C yet so idk how they would get that tier

 

[Robo432343]

we dont know if the upgrade will pass yet

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

But their profiles aren't 2-C yet so idk how they would get that tier

They're going to be upgraded.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

we dont know if the upgrade will pass yet

The profiles are already 4-A, so even if Uryu only gets upgraded to that level, it would still be a stomp.

 

[Robo432343]

The profiles are already 4-A, so even if Uryu only gets upgraded to that level, it would still be a stomp.

i mean 2-C

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

i mean 2-C

Eh, fair enough. Still, I don't really see how it won't go through, but you're right that I shouldn't just assume that it will pass.

 

[Johner2133451]

The profiles are already 4-A, so even if Uryu only gets upgraded to that level, it would still be a stomp.

I think even if Uryu gets to 4-A levels, Zoro still options to take him down like sleep manipulation, attack reflection and electricity manip (it's dura neg) if you check his Haki section

 

[Robo432343]

ong zoro skillstomps fr even with the 4-A upgrade



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[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I think even if Uryu gets to 4-A levels, Zoro still options to take him down like sleep manipulation, attack reflection and electricity manip (it's dura neg) if you check his Haki section

Uryu resists sleep manipulation (check the Soul Physiology page), you'd have to prove that Zoro's attack reflection could work on someone millions of times stronger than him, and I didn't see electricity manipulation on Zoro's profile or the Haki page, but I doubt it would make a difference.

 

[Johner2133451]

Uryu resists sleep manipulation (check the Soul Physiology page), you'd have to prove that Zoro's attack reflection could work on someone millions of times stronger than him, and I didn't see electricity manipulation on Zoro's profile or the Haki page, but I doubt it would make a difference.

It's in Haoshoku. Really? When does attack reflection dependant on AP

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

It's in Haoshoku.

Ok.

Really? When does attack reflection dependant on AP

Since always, especially since Zoro's attack reflection seems to depend on him physically deflecting his opponents' bodies and/or attacks.

 

[Johner2133451]

Ok.

Since always, especially since Zoro's attack reflection seems to depend on him physically deflecting his opponents' bodies and/or attacks.

Ok so other than Uryu, who's getting upgraded to 2-C?

 

[Kachon123]

Uryu's Antithesis lets him swap all damage he takes to whatever (or whoever) he chooses.

And Zoro resists damage transferral via Haki, so that won't work. Does he have anything else?

 

[Ebihara]

And Zoro resists damage transferral via Haki, so that won't work. Does he have anything else?

I don't think that would really apply here, its causality manipulation basically just reversing the states of uryu and zoro.

But I still think Zoro out skills and like you said has blitz level amps here. So put me down for Zoro though I think this matchup might become invalid later.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Ok so other than Uryu, who's getting upgraded to 2-C?

Bankai Senjumaru (and the other Squad 0 members), Ichibe, Almighty-Awakened Yhwach, post-Almighty boost Uryu, Dangai and True Shikai Ichigo, likely True Bankai Renji, post-Hogyoku fusion Aizen, the Soul King, Mimihagi, Ukitake as Mimihagi's host, Hikone, Ikomikidomoe after absorbing a piece of the Soul King, Can't Fear Your Own World Kenpachi Zaraki, likely Senna, and I think that's it for now.

Of course, I could be wrong, so anyone, feel free to correct me.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

And Zoro resists damage transferral via Haki, so that won't work. Does he have anything else?

The Antithesis isn't normal damage transferal; it's damage transferal that is done via causality manipulation, which is something Zoro does not resist.

Also, where is the resistance to damage transferal? Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find it on Zoro's profile or the Haki page. Is it from resisting Devil Fruit abilities?

 

[Johner2133451]

Bankai Senjumaru (and the other Squad 0 members), Ichibe, Almighty-Awakened Yhwach, post-Almighty boost Uryu, Dangai and True Shikai Ichigo, likely True Bankai Renji, post-Hogyoku fusion Aizen, the Soul King, Mimihagi, Ukitake as Mimihagi's host, Hikone, Ikomikidomoe after absorbing a piece of the Soul King, Can't Fear Your Own World Kenpachi Zaraki, likely Senna, and I think that's it for now.

Of course, I could be wrong, so anyone, feel free to correct me.

Hm would Askin be a more compatible opponent for Zoro?

 

[SlendVeny]

Hm would Askin be a more compatible opponent for Zoro?

Nnng... Wouldn't recommend, Askin's scaling might up for grabs later.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Hm would Askin be a more compatible opponent for Zoro?

Well, we don't really know how high Askin's scaling will go, but for now, maybe?

 

[Johner2133451]

Well, we don't really know how high Askin's scaling will go, but for now, maybe?

Nnng... Wouldn't recommend, Askin's scaling might up for grabs later.

Ok changing the matchup to Askin

 

[Kachon123]

Normally, Zoro is slightly stronger than Askin's Blut (33.6 Exatons vs 33.2 Exatons). His Buso makes him 2x stronger than Askin's Blut and 8x with his Hao. Does Askin have an way to mitigate taking large amounts of damage from Zoro's attacks? If not, I don't see how Zoro loses here, especially since he has blitz-level amps stacked with durability negation as well as good precognition.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Normally, Zoro is slightly stronger than Askin's Blut (33.6 Exatons vs 33.2 Exatons). His Buso makes him 2x stronger than Askin's Blut and 8x with his Hao. Does Askin have an way to mitigate taking large amounts of damage from Zoro's attacks? If not, I don't see how Zoro loses here, especially since he has blitz-level amps stacked with durability negation as well as good precognition.

If Zoro doesn't immediately one-shot Askin off the bat, then Askin will passively make himself immune to whatever Zoro attacked him with.

 

[Kachon123]

If Zoro doesn't immediately one-shot Askin off the bat, then Askin will passively make himself immune to whatever Zoro attacked him with.

Then the fight will end up like Zoro vs Lucci/King.

Zoro fights in his base or with Buso, clashing with Askin for an extended period of time using his superior skill and precog to land hits (that end up dealing no damage) while avoiding injuries himself, trying to figure out the mechanics of his abilities in the process. Once he does, he'd simply switch to using Haōshoku Haki (which is different than Buso), oneshotting him in one swift movement.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Then the fight will end up like Zoro vs Lucci/King.

Zoro fights in his base or with Buso, clashing with Askin for an extended period of time using his superior skill and precog to land hits (that end up dealing no damage) while avoiding injuries himself, trying to figure out the mechanics of his abilities in the process. Once he does, he'd simply switch to using Haōshoku Haki (which is different than Buso), oneshotting him in one swift movement.

The problem with an extended fight with Askin is that Zoro will just die. Askin can and will make the oxygen in the air, the blood in Zoro's body, and even the Haki he uses toxic to him.

 

[Hellscream]

Then the fight will end up like Zoro vs Lucci/King.

Zoro fights in his base or with Buso, clashing with Askin for an extended period of time using his superior skill and precog to land hits (that end up dealing no damage) while avoiding injuries himself, trying to figure out the mechanics of his abilities in the process. Once he does, he'd simply switch to using Haōshoku Haki (which is different than Buso), oneshotting him in one swift movement.

Askin does not clash, he avoids his opponents and simply poisons them, he hates any form of physical fights.
Either way, one gift ball and zoro gets dropped.

 

[Johner2133451]

If Zoro doesn't immediately one-shot Askin off the bat, then Askin will passively make himself immune to whatever Zoro attacked him with.

It takes one minute for Askin's ability to take effect tho. So kinda awhile as both chars are sub rel (I think with speed equalized)

 

[Johner2133451]

Askin does not clash, he avoids his opponents and simply poisons them, he hates any form of physical fights.
Either way, one gift ball and zoro gets dropped.

I think Zoro with precognition would help him avoiding the gift balls

 

[Johner2133451]

• Limited Durability Negation & Fire Manipulation (Can cause wounds caused by Flying Dragon Blaze to set ablaze and burn opponents from the inside)

This could be useful for Zoro maybe

 

[Johner2133451]

• Resistance Negation (Haki can negate resistances of characters[54][16])
• Regeneration Negation (At least Mid, likely Mid-High; Haki users are capable of negating externally accelerated natural regeneration,[55] like the regeneration granted by the Tori Tori no Mi: Model Phoenix[56])

Oh yeah forgot Busoshoku Haki users have resistance negation which could be useful to bypass Askin's invulnerability to Zoro's prior attacks

Resistance to

• Devil Fruit abilities (Buso Haki has been stated to be able to block devil fruit abilities,[57] seen when Doflamingo blocked Trafalgar Law's Amputate[58] and when Trafalgar Law stated that his Shambles ability would not work against those with superior Buso to him[59])
• Heat Manipulation (Sanji states that Buso assists him in withstanding heat[60])
• Resistance Negation (Users with superior Buso can resist the affects of Haki negating their resistances, shown with Gear 4th Luffy negating Doflamingo's negation of Luffy's resistance to physical attacks[37])

And resist to Askin's resistance negation of poison (Zoro already has resist to poison manip tho it's limited)

• Resistance Negation, Enhanced Poison Manipulation & Enhanced Paralysis Inducement (Gift Bad creates a "pool" of poison that lowers it's victims resistance to a selected substance, effectively making that substance extremely poisonous to them. For example, Askin can lower your resistance to Reishi, which causes it to posion you. Askin can use this to poison someone to the point of paralysis[10])

 

[Deceived3596]

Haki and its consequences have been a disaster for VSBW denizens.

This could be useful for Zoro maybe

It could, but it won't because Askin will either develop an immunity towards Zoro's Haki/physical strength, or put him down with The Death-Dealing, or most likely, a combination of both.

Oh yeah forgot Busoshoku Haki users have resistance negation which could be useful to bypass Askin's invulnerability to Zoro's prior attacks

Askin's Immunity is derived by manipulating the "lethal dosage" of his opponent's attacks, which fundamentally is, manipulating the lethality of it, similar to how he manipulates the toxicity of particular substances. Nothing like this exists in One Piece from my knowledge, which means assuming Haki's Resistance Negation would affect it is unfounded, and only presumed true for debating purposes.

This is also not discussing if Haki's Resistance Negation can extend to abilities/effects that aren't derived from Devil Fruits, but since I don't know for sure, and don't think it matters much as of now, I'm fine with presuming that it does until it's it becomes important to the conversation.

And resist to Askin's resistance negation of poison (Zoro already has resist to poison manip tho it's limited)

Resisting general Resistance Negation is completely non-analogous here since Askin isn't targeting a particular ability, inherently. He can target the literal air molecules and atoms that constitute matter, and make those substances poisonous to Zoro, which is something Haki wouldn't protect him against as it hasn't been shown that level of defense against something that fundamental.

Also, resisting Poison Manipulation wouldn't protect you against The Death-Dealing completely, as The Death-Dealing isn't Poison Manipulation in the sense of generating and applying a substance to another, but is rather manipulating the metric in which Poisons and other corrosive substances are measured in terms of their toxicity to organic structures, like humans. He's literally manipulating the fundamental metric of toxicity itself, which means any level of resistance to Poison Manipulation can be overcome by increasing the toxicity of a particular substances in or around the body, such as air or even the energy system used by the character, like Haki.

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All in all, I don't see Zoro being able to defeat Askin before Askin puts him down with The Death-Dealing, or molecularly deconstructs him with Sklaverei. So, my vote is for Askin via these reasons.

 

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It takes one minute for Askin's ability to take effect tho. So kinda awhile as both chars are sub rel (I think with speed equalized)

Sure, but Askin only needs to analyze one attack before running away the whole time.

Plus, if Askin goes Voll Stern Dich, his adaption is instant.

 

[Arcker123]

If Zoro doesn't immediately one-shot Askin off the bat, then Askin will passively make himself immune to whatever Zoro attacked him with.

He'll make himself immune to Zoro's entire kit. Not just that one attack.

Yuushiro couldn't do anything to him with all his powers despite Askin taking only one hit. He makes himself immune to his opponents entire reiatsu/energy system