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Rock Lee vs the Hei* [3-0-0]

How does Lee prevent himself from being framed and slapped by dozens of fists?
 
It's equal speed and he isn't gonna enter the gates right away. Or is that what he did right after dropping weights? Being faster doesn't stop him from being framed either
Op made him start with first gate. That just means he automatically goes 5th
 
IN part 1 after first gate rock lee becomes very slow and weakened so I'm wondering why you'd want him to start in that amp
are you talking about his stamina time limit?

regardless, i changed it so he starts weightless in base
 
Naoya/Naobito's profiles really should be edited to be like Average Human level or whatever we deem fair without Projection Sorcery and Subsonic up to Transonic with Projection Sorcery on his profile. We literally never see them not using PS, but it's literally the only reason they are fast. Without it there's no reason to assume they're above the likes of someone like Yuji who is remarkably fast for someone without a CT.
 
Naoya/Naobito's profiles really should be edited to be like Average Human level or whatever we deem fair without Projection Sorcery and Subsonic up to Transonic with Projection Sorcery on his profile. We literally never see them not using PS, but it's literally the only reason they are fast. Without it there's no reason to assume they're above the likes of someone like Yuji who is remarkably fast for someone without a CT.
it wouldnt make sense for them to be base human level without PS
just being enhanced by basic CE puts you way above that
 
Naoya/Naobito's profiles really should be edited to be like Average Human level or whatever we deem fair without Projection Sorcery and Subsonic up to Transonic with Projection Sorcery on his profile. We literally never see them not using PS, but it's literally the only reason they are fast. Without it there's no reason to assume they're above the likes of someone like Yuji who is remarkably fast for someone without a CT.
Why
 
it wouldnt make sense for them to be base human level without PS
just being enhanced by basic CE puts you way above that
No it doesn't. Megumi can use CE and he thought Yuji being 16 m/s was absurdly fast. Unless you mean like reaction-wise, but like, the only reason they are Grade 1 is BECAUSE of their technique. Without it who the hell knows what Grade they would be. And Grade 4's are bat victims. I don't think using CE automatically puts you above humans to an absurd degree.
It's treated as being a huge speed contributor to their speed. If it was merely a 1.2x boost or some other small boost it wouldn't be noteworthy. But then again, this is another scaling issue brought about the speed cap bs. Hopefully if that ever gets fixed this can also be fixed.
 
No it doesn't. Megumi can use CE and he thought Yuji being 16 m/s was absurdly fast.
Because Yuji at that time had no Cursed Energy. It’s impressive for a non-sorcerer
And Grade 4's are bat victims.
Grade 4 curses are, yes.
I don't think using CE automatically puts you above humans to an absurd degree.
Random ass transfigured humans could crack the ground
It's treated as being a huge speed contributor to their speed. If it was merely a 1.2x boost or some other small boost it wouldn't be noteworthy.
It’s noteworthy, sure, but not to any known extent. And it’s not like they’re stated to be fodder without it, in speed
 
Because Yuji at that time had no Cursed Energy. It’s impressive for a non-sorcerer
He compared Yuji to Maki, who Megumi is inferior to. He's not on that Yuji's level physically.
Random ass transfigured humans could crack the ground
Transfigured Humans can also hurt Yuji and are used as weapons by Mahito :/
It’s noteworthy, sure, but not to any known extent. And it’s not like they’re stated to be fodder without it, in speed
Well I didn't say fodder. That's how you interpreted it. Without the speed cap this would be much easier to see.
 
If Naoya is baseline human speed when not using PS, that would mean sorcerers with non speed-enhancing techniques would also be baseline human speed
 
He compared Yuji to Maki, who Megumi is inferior to. He's not on that Yuji's level physically.
I wonder if he's like Zen'in senpai
That isn't a comparison and that doesn't mean Yuji is physically equal to Maki, and he said this particular line after Yuji threw the shot-put ifirc
Transfigured Humans can also hurt Yuji and are used as weapons by Mahito :/
Okay bad comparison on my part and Mahito can probably make them vary in power to at least some extent myb
We don't see the grade 4's and 3's do many feats so it's hard to say anything about them
Well I didn't say fodder. That's how you interpreted it. Without the speed cap this would be much easier to see.
Saying they are average human level in speed without it is saying that they are fodder. It's most certainly a bigger amp but we can't really put a concrete number on it so 1.2x wouldn't be completely inaccurate either, it's the closest number we can put on them to the accurate one
 
That isn't a comparison and that doesn't mean Yuji is physically equal to Maki, and he said this particular line after Yuji threw the shot-put ifirc
Megumi said that he would beat Maki and Todo in a fight without CE.
Hanami said he was faster than Maki.
Megumi asked if he was like a car hearing that he ran 16 m/s

Let's be deadass.
 
That isn't a comparison and that doesn't mean Yuji is physically equal to Maki, and he said this particular line after Yuji threw the shot-put ifirc
I mean Yuji by that point already has better feats than Megumi. He did feats Megumi was evidently impressed by and did better against that Curse he jobbed to. Megumi relies on his summons. Physically he isn't anything impressive.
Saying they are average human level in speed without it is saying that they are fodder. It's most certainly a bigger amp but we can't really put a concrete number on it so 1.2x wouldn't be completely inaccurate either, it's the closest number we can put on them to the accurate one
They wouldn't be human level if the cap didn't exist. But because it does it's the most sensical rating. Had there been no cap they could be Subsonic (or maybe Supersonic, I'd need to look at stuff). But it'd also mean Naoya would be a lot more than Subsonic+ to Transonic (In combat speed anyways).

But again, they are featless without PS. So I don't see a reason to scale them beyond anything average. Or maybe Athletic Human suits them better as they are at the very least still athletic.
 
I may have been wrong, but the 16 m/s would only really apply to Yuji's running speed, he has better c/r speed feats anyway. And Megumi considering his running speed fast could still just be in comparison to regular people
 
I may have been wrong, but the 16 m/s would only really apply to Yuji's running speed, he has better c/r speed feats anyway. And Megumi considering his running speed fast could still just be in comparison to regular people
He chased him and could not catch up.
 
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