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rimuru vs bleach verse battle high 6A non smurf

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Yhwach (ユーハバッハ, Yuhabahha?) is the Father of the Quincy, the monarch of the Wandenreich, and the son of the Soul King, known by the designation "A" - The Almighty. As a baby, Yhwach was incapable of sight, speech, or even the slightest movement, but never feared or despaired, as he knew he would...
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win by death or incap or any other means

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Aizen RE adapts to Rimuru abilities 🗣️👌
Probably incon i will wait for other supporters reply

Anyway didn't Rimuru in LN speed needs a revision knowing FTL speed is too far of an strech for him and I remember seeing speed of sound bullshit for other characters in Tensura characters.
 
YungManzi said:
Isnt rimuru’s own RE better than Aizens?
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Both has Similar kind both adapts to each other beside Hogyoku has CM type 2 resistance which is above information in bleach as far as I know.

Aizen also has Resistance to power Mimicry on information type 2 level. There was a character tries to copy and replicate Hogyoku in Novels using Information Manipulation type 2. But couldn't do it. I see it was not added to Aizen profile. Yeah pretty much there are few abilities should be added to Aizen.

Also If I am correct Rimuru high godly regeneration does not suit for current Standards as wiki Staffs Recently changed the explanation page.

Aizen has Dimensional sealing of his own and dimensional travel of his own So he can't be sealed. He also has instant teleportation.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
What are Rimuru Wincons here?
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Both has Similar kind both adapts to each other beside Hogyoku has CM type 2 resistance which is above information in bleach as far as I know.

Aizen also has Resistance to power Mimicry on information type 2 level. There was a character tries to copy and replicate Hogyoku in Novels using Information Manipulation type 2. But couldn't do it. I see it was not added to Aizen profile. Yeah pretty much there are few abilities should be added to Aizen.

Also If I am correct Rimuru high godly regeneration does not suit for current Standards as wiki Staffs Recently changed the explanation page.

Aizen has Dimensional sealing of his own and dimensional travel of his own So he can't be sealed. He also has instant teleportation.
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Abstract Existence (Type 1; Rimuru has the Ultimate Skill 'Wisdom King Raphael' which is capable of acting on her own even when Rimuru is unconscious And, 'Raphael' is a skill made from Information Particle, the fundamental aspect in Tensura. A spiritual life form's nature is similar to that of Elemental spirits like Ifrit, which are the embodiments of the laws governing the world[2]

Aizen can not interact with Rimuru.

Rimuru some wincon.

Law Manipulation and Power Nullification (Anti-Magic Area rewrites the laws of the world to create a barrier which prevents the usage of magic),

Disintegration attacks or Spirit Particle based attacks can destroy souls and skills. Information particle is the Fundamental aspect of Tensura and All the things such as Mind, Soul and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it.),

Sealing (Can trap his target in a complex number of spatial dimensions),

A ton of passive Hax. (Madness Manipulation Type 3 etc.)

It's been a long time since Rimuru's High Godly Regeneration was updated.

For Sealing. Characters who have teleportation and dimensional travel in Tensura cannot get out of here. How will Aizen out ?
 
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Probably knowledgeable Bleach supporters don't want to argue here anyway. Because Bleach characters do not have any wincon or incon here. Please put an end to this.
 
YungManzi said:
Isnt rimuru’s own RE better than Aizens?
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Most Aizen's ability are enhanced by reactive evolution. If I was arguing for High 4C Aizen, Probably I would say it Aizen.(Kyoka Suigetsu Evolution 3D=>4D) But LN Rimuru will become much stronger than it is now as new volume translations arrive.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Both has Similar kind both adapts to each other beside Hogyoku has CM type 2 resistance which is above information in bleach as far as I know.

Aizen also has Resistance to power Mimicry on information type 2 level. There was a character tries to copy and replicate Hogyoku in Novels using Information Manipulation type 2. But couldn't do it. I see it was not added to Aizen profile. Yeah pretty much there are few abilities should be added to Aizen.
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Very good bullshit.
 
CodeCCLL said:
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Abstract Existence (Type 1; Rimuru has the Ultimate Skill 'Wisdom King Raphael' which is capable of acting on her own even when Rimuru is unconscious And, 'Raphael' is a skill made from Information Particle, the fundamental aspect in Tensura. A spiritual life form's nature is similar to that of Elemental spirits like Ifrit, which are the embodiments of the laws governing the world[2]

Aizen can not interact with Rimuru.
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Gremmy also has AE and Kenpachi was literally interacting with him. I don't see why Aizen can't interact with Rimuru with his RE and wish granting orb hogyoku.
CodeCCLL said:
Rimuru some wincon.

Law Manipulation and Power Nullification (Anti-Magic Area rewrites the laws of the world to create a barrier which prevents the usage of magic),
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Aizen has resistance to powernull and CM type 2 so he Resists
CodeCCLL said:
Disintegration attacks or Spirit Particle based attacks can destroy souls and skills. Information particle is the Fundamental aspect of Tensura and All the things such as Mind, Soul and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it.),
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This may be bit of problem.
CodeCCLL said:
Sealing (Can trap his target in a complex number of spatial dimensions),
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See my last reply.
CodeCCLL said:
A ton of passive Hax. (Madness Manipulation Type 3 etc.)
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From the explanation in the page looks like Rimuru needs to activate and it even looks like it's a byproduct of Fear Manipulation which bleach characters does resists.
CodeCCLL said:
It's been a long time since Rimuru's High Godly Regeneration was updated.
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I was just pointing out
CodeCCLL said:
For Sealing. Characters who have teleportation and dimensional travel in Tensura cannot get out of here. How will Aizen out ?
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I didn't knew that. Beside bleach characters can just destroy the space itself with their Reastu ( unless you wanna argue infinite sized space which would make Rimuru sealing hax as Smurf in 6A tier )
 
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YungManzi said:
Madness incap that nobody in bleach resists for one.
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The scan in Rimuru profile more of talk about fear manipulation which may possibly lead to madness and death. Yeah character with better resistance to fear manipulation should be able to resists that
 
CodeCCLL said:
This has been previously rejecting.
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By whom? I Checked Gremmy profile he still has AE type 1. I don't see where it was removed.
CodeCCLL said:
He achieved this feat after merging with Aizen Hogyoku. High 6A switch doesn't have it.
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we are only arguing about 6A and he still has hogyoku merged with him. His 4C comes for monster Aizen form & Tybw. Previous forms are still scales to only 6A.
Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2; The Hogyoku contains numerous fragments of The Soul King and Ikomikidomoe was able to negate Ichibe's ability, escape his seal and restore his original name by consuming a single fragment[73])
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EldemadeDityjon said:
I didn't knew that. Beside bleach characters can just destroy the space itself with their Reastu ( unless you wanna argue infinite sized space which would make Rimuru sealing hax as Smurf in 6A tier )
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EldemadeDityjon said:
From the explanation in the page looks like Rimuru needs to activate and it even looks like it's a byproduct of Fear Manipulation which bleach characters does resists.
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Information Manipulation (Type 2; Information is the Fundamental aspect of Tensura and All the things such as Mind, Soul and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it),

Also High 3A Hax isn't smurf.
 
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EldemadeDityjon said:
we are only arguing about 6A and he still has hogyoku merged with him. His 4C comes for monster Aizen form & Tybw. Previous forms are still scales to only 6A.
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This is my last answer unless someone else knowledgeable member comes along.
Community_Gamer said:
Not even sure why this is even a matchup?
Yhwach slams this. He has Almighty and Ichibe's power null. I don't see any scenario Rimuru even touching Yhwach. Not to mention a significant stat difference in speed and power.
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This is High 6A Yhwach.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Information Manipulation (Type 2; Information is the Fundamental aspect of Tensura and All the things such as Mind, Soul and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it),

Also High 3A Hax isn't smurf.
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3A range scales way above high 6A range smurf or not it's higher than what it is.
CodeCCLL said:
I will not discuss this stupid match again. You are using things that are not in the profile. Aizen doesn't even interact with Gremmy.
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Reactive Evolution is on Aizen profile & abstract existence is on Gremmy one. Kenpachi was literally interacting with Gremmy with no problem who is also Indicated as SK brain. Hogyoku Contains the parts of SK and it even grants users wish they want don't see why he can't Evolve and interact with abstract existence which is already exists in Bleach.
 
Very few Bleach characters could even interact with Rimuru (Without smurf hax), his RE is better than the Hogyoku's RE, nobody can put him down even if they could interact with him, nobody can resist Madness, most of the High-6-A bleach cast can't even resist his absorption; and considering his passive information analysis, Rimuru will always know exactly which of his abilities works on what character.
EldemadeDityjon said:
The scan in Rimuru profile more of talk about fear manipulation which may possibly lead to madness and death. Yeah character with better resistance to fear manipulation should be able to resists that
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It uses the words "Lucky" and "Unlucky" to describe the negative effects being fear (Lucky) and madness resulting in death (Unlucky). That doesn't mean "If they have no resistance to face they may go insane and die." Not the same thing. It's entirely possible some of these humans in Slime may just have a resistance to madness but not the fear effect of the ability, and this could be what Rimuru was referencing when he said lucky and unlucky.

EldemadeDityjon said:
abstract existence is on Gremmy one.
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Gremmy doesn't have Abstract Existence, that's referencing his Non-physical interaction.
 
YungManzi said:
Very few Bleach characters could even interact with Rimuru (Without smurf hax), his RE is better than the Hogyoku's RE, nobody can put him down even if they could interact with him, nobody can resist Madness, most of the High-6-A bleach cast can't even resist his absorption; and considering his passive information analysis, Rimuru will always know exactly which of his abilities works on what character.
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Well Aizen RE does gets him Resistance and power amps.
Transformation and Reactive Evolution (The Hogyoku made Aizen undergo several evolutions during battle, increasing his statistics, changing his appearance and granting him new abilities and resistances on the spot[55])
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YungManzi said:
It uses the words "Lucky" and "Unlucky" to describe the negative effects being fear (Lucky) and madness resulting in death (Unlucky). That doesn't mean "If they have no resistance to face they may go insane and die." Not the same thing. It's entirely possible some of these humans in Slime may just have a resistance to madness but not the fear effect of the ability, and this could be what Rimuru was referencing when he said lucky and unlucky.
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Well Causing madness to humans is not the same as Causing madness to Souls which lacks physical forms. He specifically states that for humans.
YungManzi said:
Gremmy doesn't have Abstract Existence, that's referencing his Non-physical interaction.
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My bad i admit i was wrong but the argument for hogyoku still are same.

Gremmy used his power to interact with Abstract beings with Reality Warping its not far fetched to say Aizen RE can do that and with hogyoku Aizen can gets interaction feat for AE type 1.
Reality Warping (Gremmy can turn his imagination into reality with The Visionary[1]), Non-Physical Interaction (Abstract Existence (Type 1) - Information - Gremmy can interact with[2] and erase beings[3] who lack "physical realities" but rather are constructed of "pure imagination"[4], from existence, such as Guenael Lee),
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Hogyoku does grants users wishes and my point was he will evolve and gets interaction feat for AE type 1.
Reality Warping and Mind Reading (The true power of the Hogyoku is to make the owners desires come true. The Hogyoku is an orb with a mind of it's own and is capable of reading the hearts of those around it. It is capable of granting Aizen whatever he desires, so long as it is within his abilities
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It can even manipulate events based on users wish
Fate Manipulation (The Hogyoku made certain events occur due to reading the hearts of people around it and materializing them. For example, the Hogyoku controlled the boundary between Shinigami and Hollow as that was Kisuke's wish, or Rukia losing all of her powers by giving them to Ichigo as she tortured herself over the death of Kaien Shiba[53]
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I don't see any abilities in Rimuru profile which has this much of an potency to manipulate events and all according to users wish.

CodeCCLL said:
It's a 1 v 1 . Rimuru vs a Bleach High 6A character of your choice. I hope I misunderstood you.
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I think you are not getting my point. I am talking about Aizen RE which gives him evolution based on his wishes.

I am arguing 1 vs 1.

But i admit on the part Gremmy not having AE type 1 was my mistake but other things weren't.
 
Well Causing madness to humans is not the same as Causing madness to Souls which lacks physical forms. He specifically states that for humans.
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He has NPI regardless, also, type 3 madness sort of works regardless of physiology (Unless it's like abstract or NEP or something), because type 3 is not via affecting you directly it's just a result of you coming into contact with and/or experiencing the user in some way (For instance, I have some characters in Tsuki ga who are probably going to get type 3 madness because the act of fighting them is so nerve-racking it causes insanity, and that's just a result of their skills and not an actual magical ability in itself)
I don't see any abilities in Rimuru profile which has this much of an potency to manipulate events and all according to users wish.
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I was talking about the Hog's RE, not any other things it has.
 
YungManzi said:
He has NPI regardless, also, type 3 madness sort of works regardless of physiology (Unless it's like abstract or NEP or something), because type 3 is not via affecting you directly it's just a result of you coming into contact with and/or experiencing the user in some way (For instance, I have some characters in Tsuki ga who are probably going to get type 3 madness because the act of fighting them is so nerve-racking it causes insanity, and that's just a result of their skills and not an actual magical ability in itself)

I was talking about the Hog's RE, not any other things it has.
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Yeah like you it should work on all unless it stated. Which in here he was specifically states for humans.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Well Causing madness to humans is not the same as Causing madness to Souls which lacks physical forms. He specifically states that for humans.
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Rimuru's abilitys works on Soul(İnformation Tip 2).For Tensura characters, Soul is simply a collection of information particles.
EldemadeDityjon said:
I don't see any abilities in Rimuru profile which has this much of an potency to manipulate events and all according to users wish.
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Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation and Reality Warping (Can overwrite outcomes and results), Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation and Subjective Reality (Can intertwine reality with what happens in his imaginary world and the person's life and death will be within their grip), Illusion Creation, Attack Reflection, Clairvoyance, BFR.
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He resists all of this as an Ultimate Skill user.
EldemadeDityjon said:
Well Aizen RE does gets him Resistance and power amps.
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For Reactive Evolution :It would be a No Limits Fallacy to assume someone with this power can obtain any ability whatsoever. Its extent and complexity only go as far its feats and scaling have gone for it, in relation up to countermeasures to powers that already exist in the setting or similar, in a case by case basis.
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So don't assume he can use abilities he never had.
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Please read my message carefully and finish it.
 
YungManzi said:
Are you saying you think it only works on humans?
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I don't know. I am going with the scans
CodeCCLL said:
Rimuru's abilitys works on Soul(İnformation Tip 2).
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I was specifically talking about madness manipulation type 3 statement
CodeCCLL said:
Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation and Reality Warping (Can overwrite outcomes and results),
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Both are different though.
CodeCCLL said:
Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation and Subjective Reality (Can intertwine reality with what happens in his imaginary world and the person's life and death will be within their grip), Illusion Creation, Attack Reflection, Clairvoyance, BFR.
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He resists all of this as an Ultimate Skill user.
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Subjective Reality can be overcome by sheer Reastu like how Kenpachi did and other things bleach characters Physiology page has resistance to them.
CodeCCLL said:
For Reactive Evolution :It would be a No Limits Fallacy to assume someone with this power can obtain any ability whatsoever. Its extent and complexity only go as far its feats and scaling have gone for it, in relation up to countermeasures to powers that already exist in the setting or similar, in a case by case basis.
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NLF Fallacy only applies when a said character fail to perform the said feat. Aizen was at peak Evolution states to be Transcended everything and was on same league as SK.

The main purpose of Hogyoku was to overcome anything in the verse. i don't see where you are getting the NLF. He was kept getting evolved every moment when he wanted to gain something.

Me claiming Reactive Evolution would be NLF if i said Aizen can evolve and adapt to CM type 1 which doens't exists in Bleach or something else. But me claiming Aizen would evolve and adapt to IM type 2 is not NLF as it's the main purpose of Hogyoku and Narratively it has capacity to do so..
CodeCCLL said:
So don't assume he can use abilities he never had.
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He can Evolve and gain the ability which already exists in the verse. Where I said he already has that ? .
CodeCCLL said:
Please read my message carefully and finish it.
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I would appreciate if you do the same and read my argument properly and check NLF page before saying what i claimed is NLF.
 
Finally, I'll state it over and over again. Information Manipulation Type 2 is not enough to interact with Rimuru.A spiritual life form's nature is similar to that of Elemental spirits like Ifrit, which are the embodiments of the laws governing the world.
Also, I haven't even mentioned Rimuru's layered hax until now.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Please ask someone else about this because I'm sick of commenting. I'm leaving you alone. This match is already over.
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Dude if you are so stressed about debating why are even trying to defend 💀 Let the people who can actually debate calmly do the debating.
 
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