Rimuru (LN) vs Arale (Low 1-C)

[Bernkastelll]

Since everyone is discussing about this in the Top 15 strongest thread, why not a Versus Match?

Speed Equal

Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel)

Rimuru Tempest (リムル＝テンペスト, Rimuru Tenpesuto?), formerly known as Satoru Mikami (三上みかみ悟さとる, Mikami Satoru?), is the main protagonist of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken. He is an Otherworlder reincarnated as a slime, and the sworn friend of the Storm Dragon Veldora Tempest. He is the founder and...

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Arale Norimaki (Dragon Ball Fusions)

Arale Norimaki (則巻アラレ, Norimaki Arare) is a robot built by Senbei Norimaki that looks like a little girl. She is known for her naivety, energetic personality, lack of common sense, and amazingly unbelievable strength. Among her strength, she can use abilities that range from the terrain...

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Rimuru:

Arale:

Saitama:

 

[Meli_Tempest]

Oh no…

 

[Berga14]

What's Arale win con?
Her plot manip doesn't work on cm1 so i don't think she has any win con at all.

 

[MountainWine]

Inconclusive

 

[Meli_Tempest]

This is a stomp for rimuru, for starters Arale can't come back from the destruction of her concept, if her concept is destroyed no other Hax matters.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

This is a stomp for rimuru, for starters Arale can't come back from the destruction of her concept, if her concept is destroyed no other Hax matters.

You dimwit (Sorry if I am being a bit word-strong here)... So you are using the same argument we spent the entire last CRT denying wouldn't work due to IM 2? Or the fact that they need both to interact with him?

CM 1 alone only makes it so that Arael can't interact with RImuru, it doesn't grant him an instant win.

 

[MountainWine]

“For example, per default plot manipulation would not be able to manipulate concepts, but concept erasure can't necessarily be used to erase the plot either. In a vs-debate a clash between such powers may have an indeterminate outcome, unless at least one of the fictions involved clarifies how the interaction between the metaphysical aspects works.“

^From the Metaphysical Aspects page

Inconclusive

Arale can’t interact with Tensura and Tensura lacks the ability to nullify her layered Plot HGR. I don’t think Tensura can even attack Arale with her passive plot manipulation placing her beyond the range of any Tensura character (Arale’s range is at least 1 layer above baseline infinite L1C structure).

 

[Meli_Tempest]

You dimwit (Sorry if I am being a bit word-strong here)... So you are using the same argument we spent the entire last CRT denying wouldn't work due to IM 2? Or the fact that they need both to interact with him?

CM 1 alone only makes it so that Arael can't interact with RImuru, it doesn't grant him an instant win.

The argument was that plot manipulation was needed to deal with her’s multi-location, since it can exist outside the plot, but it's doesn't even matter if rim destroys her concept.

This is not like abstract existence, where regardless of circumstances you cannot interact if you are missing some aspect, it is a matter of whether their bodies are in or out of the plot at the start of combat, since if they are in there is no need for Plot manipulation, destruction of their concept would suffice. And your HGR doesn't work in concept, so it can't come back.

Or I may be doing something wrong here, sorry, it's 3 am.

 

[Meli_Tempest]

I don’t think Tensura can even attack Arale with her passive plot manipulation placing her beyond the range of any Tensura character (Arale’s range is at least 1 layer above baseline infinite L1C structure).

Why are we still talking about "above the baseline" of L1-C?, such a thing is not possible to begin with, Cantor would be rolling over in his grave.

 

[MountainWine]

Why are we still talking about "above the baseline" of L1-C?, such a thing is not possible to begin with, Cantor would be rolling over in his grave.

It’s a wiki standard and the DB Game’s cosmology clearly outlines it. Change it if you don’t like it.

 

[Meli_Tempest]

It’s a wiki standard and the DB Game’s cosmology clearly outlines it. Change it if you don’t like it.

It makes no sense to anyone familiar with Cantor set theory.

But following such (illogical) logic, Tensura is also well far above the "L1-C baseline" in range.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Why are we still talking about "above the baseline" of L1-C?, such a thing is not possible to begin with, Cantor would be rolling over in his grave.

It is possible a single timeline in dragon ball is low 1c there are infinite number of this timelines in dbh and c.o.t contains them all and is way beyond the scope of multiverse it is accepted as such

Dragon Ball (Games) Cosmology

This page will cover the cosmology of the Dragon Ball Games' Cosmology, more specifically, Dragon Ball Heroes and Xenoverse multiverse, or we can call it Dragon Ball Heroes multiverse for short Well, at first we should cover the basics of the cosmology first before we dive into the game's...

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Also yes rimuru doesn't have necessary range to affect arale as she could possibly go outside of plot itself
So it is incon

 

[MountainWine]

It makes no sense to anyone familiar with Cantor set theory.

But following such (illogical) logic, Tensura is also well far above the "L1-C baseline" in range.

Not gonna argue there. A lot of the Tier 2 and 1 section dealing with dimensions and mathematics in vswiki makes no sense and is essentially make believe.

The standard does agree that 2A^2A isn’t actually bigger than 2A. Unless the series states so and makes it apparent. DB does this to an already infinite amount of L1C structures while Tensura only has countless structures and no such statements or demonstrations.