Review about Instant Death.

[Maniaunavailable]

also, what about the sea being infinite and containing countless Celestial foundations.

Spoiler: countless foundations

There are countless Celestial Foundations, all floating in a space known as the “Sea.” The individual foundations are like bubbles in this Sea. By the way, aS we are comparing it to the ocean, the Sea also has a depth. If foundations are at the same relative depth, traveling between them is simple. Moving to a foundation at a lower depth is even easier, but moving up in the Sea is much more difficult. Doing so requires an enormous amount of energy. That is one of the reasons it is not so easy for Yogiri and Tomochika to return to their own worl

Spoiler

Celestial Disk:
The Celestial Disk is the vessel of the world and is considered the world itself.
Upon the Celestial Disk rest the cosmos—continents, stars, solar systems, and galaxies—where various intelligent lifeforms dwell.
The text explicitly states that the Celestial Disk is the universe.
Countless such Celestial Disks exist, all contained within a vast space called the “Sea.”
The Celestial Disks are covered by a robust shell called the Celestial Canopy, isolating them from the influence of the “Sea.”
Other worlds and the world the protagonists originally came from are contained within separate Celestial Disks as individual worlds.

this is like high universal, maybe low 2-c if am not mistaken

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The one with Bizarre's ability

I suppose it could work. I dont think anyone (who has a profile) would scale to it though, aside from Yogiri.

 

[SweetDao]

I suppose it could work. I dont think anyone (who has a profile) would scale to it though, aside from Yogiri.

Alright, I'm fine with that. I don't know if OP is planning to do it, but if he doesn't, I'll make the follow up thread to change everything (cosmology, AP tier...)

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Everyone agrees on this now. Two moderators agree with the matter, and @SweetDao also agrees and has no objection. I think the issue is settled now.

 

[SweetDao]

Everyone agrees on this now. Two moderators agree with the matter, and @SweetDao also agrees and has no objection. I think the issue is settled now.

Yep, you just need to wait for two days (although idk if two staff are enough?)

Do you wish to do the follow-up thread to modify the rating or do you want me to do it?

 

[Maniaunavailable]

so what tier is he getting?

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah iirc its just how Paella's power work, The Sea is directly stated as infinite multiple times beforehand when they talked about the cosmology so like I don't think it's applicable for everything. But if there's anything I should worry about, it's the canonicity between this and Instant Death, that's the number 1 issue atm

 

[Voidnether]

so what tier is he getting?

2-A

 

[SweetDao]

so what tier is he getting?

Yogiri? He'll get a change in range for sure, I'll also tackle the idea Sukuna gave me in another thread at the same time.

 

[SweetDao]

The Sea is directly stated as infinite multiple times

Just once from what I recall.

if there's anything I should worry about, it's the canonicity between this and Instant Death, that's the number 1 issue atm

Since Fujitaka is still using the same setting for his newest Webnovel, I don't think it's an issue, especially since he said he only did "minimal" change in one of his post. Although if rework came to be, obviously they will take priority

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Yep, you just need to wait for two days (although idk if two staff are enough?)

Do you wish to do the follow-up thread to modify the rating or do you want me to do it?

Alright, you do that. When you do, I’ll be present as well, and it would be best if you mention/notify me then.

 

[sukuna171]

Yogiri? He'll get a change in range for sure, I'll also tackle the idea Sukuna gave me in another thread at the same time.

Now i'm curious well i'll be there when you post it giving my penny for thought

 

[Robo432343]

uhh guys

Staff Only: Canonicity Based on Approval

Introduction Happy New Year ladies gents and everyone else. This is a wiki-wide and very serious issue. If you aren't staff, get approval. I have a gripe with our canonicity standards. Or rather, not really our standards, but how we enforce them based on certain statements of canonicity...

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this thread might affect how we treat the unbeatable demon king as canon to instant death

 

[sukuna171]

uhh guys

Staff Only: Canonicity Based on Approval

Introduction Happy New Year ladies gents and everyone else. This is a wiki-wide and very serious issue. If you aren't staff, get approval. I have a gripe with our canonicity standards. Or rather, not really our standards, but how we enforce them based on certain statements of canonicity...

vsbattles.com

this thread might affect how we treat the unbeatable demon king as canon to instant death

I don’t think it will, since The Unbeatable Demon King and Instant Death are both written by Fujitaka and share the same cosmology. The same goes for Neechan wa Chuunibyou, as it’s set in the same Celestial Foundations that Yogiri comes from.

 

[Robo432343]

I don’t think it will, since The Unbeatable Demon King and Instant Death are both written by Fujitaka and share the same cosmology. The same goes for Neechan wa Chuunibyou, as it’s set in the same Celestial Foundations that Yogiri comes from.

 

[SweetDao]

uhh guys

Staff Only: Canonicity Based on Approval

Introduction Happy New Year ladies gents and everyone else. This is a wiki-wide and very serious issue. If you aren't staff, get approval. I have a gripe with our canonicity standards. Or rather, not really our standards, but how we enforce them based on certain statements of canonicity...

vsbattles.com

this thread might affect how we treat the unbeatable demon king as canon to instant death

I feel like it's moreso related to "ambiguous continuity with author's involvement/or not" rather than "what is Canon or not" when it comes to something that is directly stated and shown to exist inside the same setting.

But obviously, we can discuss it in a proper thread if needed, thanks for the heads up

 

[SweetDao]

I don’t think it will, since The Unbeatable Demon King and Instant Death are both written by Fujitaka and share the same cosmology. The same goes for Neechan wa Chuunibyou, as it’s set in the same Celestial Foundations that Yogiri comes from.

You beat me to it?!

 

[Cipher72]

You beat me to it?!

Next is the goat Azerty

 

[Yanina92]

Agree

 

[korea1234]

I disagree. Of course, what you say is correct. I know that you shouldn't believe any character's dialogue at face value, and that it can be contradicted by more credible dialogue from other characters.


But that's only when it's more credible. The character who said infinity doesn't exist is also an Ultimate Lifeform
, and the author of Instant Death was once asked about the outcome of the fight between Paella Puki and Yogiri. The author couldn't definitively answer which one would win.

Here, it's crucial to understand that this author takes immense pride in Yogiri's strength, even going so far as to state that Yogiri defeats every character from other works.

The fact that an author so confident in Yogiri's power couldn't definitively state Yogiri won against Paella Puki implies Paella Puki is on a similar tier to Yogiri.

Therefore, Paella Pukki, who stated that infinity does not exist, is an ultimate lifeform
and a character possessing strength comparable to Yogiri. Consequently, the character's line about infinity not existing is highly credible, and there is no reason to deny it.

 

[RemaxG1]

First, in the novel Instant Death, the term "infinity" is mentioned in every context. Beyond that, there is the statement of the Ultimate God, who is the greatest in the entire novel, and who himself said that there are all possible worlds (all conceivable worlds) in the series. This is the word of the Ultimate God, and the word of the Ultimate God is equivalent to the word of the author himself, as he is the only one who knows everything in the novel and knows everything.

There's no mention of anything "Infinite" anywhere other than C.F directly stated to be countless and bruh, countless DOES NOT mean Infinite.

If you've read the "MTL" of Volume 15 Chapter 11 the Supreme God debunks the whole "concept" of Infinity or whatnot I can't remember. (I don't know if I'm allowed to show MTLs here for justifications)

C.Fs are AT BEST Solar system in size with Yukimasa's world not even having the concept of "Outer-space". The same applies to the Demon King's world and Yogiri's with both being Solar system or smaller.



"They are other worlds. Though I have so many things to discuss with you, first thing first, our world exists within nothing but a solar system. There's nothing beyond it.] "No, no, no, I'm sure there has to be other things like galaxies or black holes, right?" [None. Those are all deceptions. While they might look THAT way based on our observation results, in reality there are no such things. So, surrounding the edge of our solar system is a boundary of the world called the Canopy. Outside of it is an empty space. And in that space, a variety of worlds are drifting."



So far I haven't seen any C.Fs larger than this or if you can show me then I'd be glad to listen

 

[Thermor]

Agree fra.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Is this thread concluded or does it need more votes?

 

[SweetDao]

Is this thread concluded or does it need more votes?

There was this thread regarding the required number of input for some "controversial" verse and iirc, ID needed 3 BUT I don't know if we act as if it was already applied or if we just assume two are fine.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

There was this thread regarding the required number of input for some "controversial" verse and iirc, ID needed 3 BUT I don't know if we act as if it was already applied or if we just assume two are fine

I must checked a few min ago, that even if we ignore this rule, there's also the rule that tier 2 and above stuff needs at least 1 admin lvl staff

 

[Reiner04]

Whats the wording that will be applied on the profiles if i may ask?

I must checked a few min ago, that even if we ignore this rule, there's also the rule that tier 2 and above stuff needs at least 1 admin lvl staff

@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus
We need one admin vote for this crt to go through, can you take a look at it?

 

[SweetDao]

Whats the wording that will be applied on the profiles if i may ask?

I'll take care of it in another thread so I don't have anything ready on hand, but you can see the cosmology blog/profiles that have "3-A, possibly 2-B" will be change to full Tier 2 tier. The specificities will be discussed and detailed there because there are some modification to make.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Whats the wording that will be applied on the profiles if i may ask?



@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus
We need one admin vote for this crt to go through, can you take a look at it?

Since it was agreed upon that said specific statement from Paella shouldn't be treated literally.



If Dao-chan wants to make another CRT for it as he said above, that's fine with me.


But just in case; The og wording was:

The Sea​

The Sea is the space that houses the countless Celestial Foundations.

Would be changed to:

The Sea is the infinite space that houses the countless Celestial Foundations.

And from this:

There exist close to an infinite number of infinitely diverging parallel world.

To this:

There exists an infinite number of infinitely diverging parallel worlds.

(Add scan here)

 

[SweetDao]

stuff

Yeah, that should be the change in wordings; that much is fine, but for the "change in tier" that's another topic entirely. So I prefer to tackle both of them at the same time (and in any case, there needs to be an additional admin/vote as Reiner stated). I'll try to prepare it in advance, though.

 

[Reiner04]

I'll take care of it in another thread so I don't have anything ready on hand, but you can see the cosmology blog/profiles that have "3-A, possibly 2-B" will be change to full Tier 2 tier. The specificities will be discussed and detailed there because there are some modification to make.

@Azertyhuuh since you asked about if the changes can be applied in the cosmology page or not. SweetDao wishes to take care if it in another thread.

 

[SweetDao]

@Azertyhuuh since you asked about if the changes can be applied in the cosmology page or not. SweetDao wishes to take care if it in another thread.

He said he was fine last page iirc or maybe a bit above

 

[Reiner04]

He said he was fine last page iirc or maybe a bit above

Uh he asked me this in PMs if he can apply the changes... i think u 2 js need to sort it out imma getting comfused so imma dip and run

 

[Azertyhuuh]

@Azertyhuuh since you asked about if the changes can be applied in the cosmology page or not. SweetDao wishes to take care if it in another thread.

There are far more things than what Astral mentioned that will change, and there are also things more important than the classification that will change as well. If he needs to open another topic, then he must discuss with me first about what he is going to add.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Uh he asked me this in PMs if he can apply the changes... i think u 2 js need to sort it out imma getting comfused so imma dip and run

Run

 

[SweetDao]

There are far more things than what Astral mentioned that will change, and there are also things more important than the classification that will change as well. If he needs to open another topic, then he must discuss with me first about what he is going to add.

I mean right now, on top of my mind, the only things that would change would be:

Cosmology blog (what Astral said, alongside the tier obviously)
The profiles (the characters that are now "3-A, possibly 2-B" will be straight up 2-B.)

That's about it, really?

if you want more details, I think it should be :

The "Sea" : At least High 3-A, possibly Low 2-C

Ultimate Ensemble World: Multiversal+ (2-A)

And the profiles, well, everything should be as I stated above; the only nuance would be the World Slayer Sword since I remembered it can only cut up to a single "world" at once, so that would be High 3-A at most. (And that would be environmental destruction too since he cut the space of the world, and the world get destroyed as a result).

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Uh he asked me this in PMs if he can apply the changes... i think u 2 js need to sort it out imma getting comfused so imma dip and run

Now that this is accepted, could you check the outerversal thread for this same verse?

Nvm he got his account banned for the CRT, at least for a month

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I mean right now, on top of my mind, the only things that would change would be:

Cosmology blog (what Astral said, alongside the tier obviously)
The profiles (the characters that are now "3-A, possibly 2-B" will be straight up 2-B.)

That's about it, really?

if you want more details, I think it should be :

The "Sea" : At least High 3-A, possibly Low 2-C

Ultimate Ensemble World: Multiversal+ (2-A)

And the profiles, well, everything should be as I stated above; the only nuance would be the World Slayer Sword since I remembered it can only cut up to a single "world" at once, so that would be High 3-A at most. (And that would be environmental destruction too since he cut the space of the world, and the world get destroyed as a result).

The sword is currently rated as 2-B, and you are now trying to downgrade it, when in reality it should be 2-A, because this sword can cut anything and possesses the power of the entire Absolute Ensemble ↓

Attack Potency: At least Athletic level (having learned many martial arts and magic to defend himself against threats [1]. Presumably physically superior to Yogiri Takatou), Universe level, and possibly Multiverse level via the World-Killing Sword (the sword is considered one of the “exceptions” [2], capable of using its power in any world within the Absolute Ensemble World [3] regardless of the laws governing it [3][1][2]. It has also demonstrated the ability to easily pierce Alexia and her barrier [2], who is a character with Absolute Ensemble-level power).

It will become 2-A.

As for the Sea and the Heavenly Foundations, I have a lot to say about them, because their current rating is not appropriate at all. The Heavenly Foundations themselves are spacetime structures, this was explicitly stated, and I have evidence for that. In this case, the Sea qualifies to be Low 1-C.

The characters will become 2-A, not 2-B. All the gods will be at this level, especially the Ultimate God of Annihilation, since she can destroy everything and also possesses Absolute Ensemble-level power. The gods are the same, nearly omnipotent and nearly omniscient.

In any case, I do not actually agree with these ratings in the first place, because I will open topics about upgrading the Absolute Ensemble, and until the very end I will remain convinced that Yogiri, in his true form,
is Tier 0.

 

[SweetDao]

Yeah nah, I don't have the energy to go on with this, ask Reiner and I'm sure he'll understand what I meant.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

The sword is currently rated as 2-B, and you are now trying to downgrade it, when in reality it should be 2-A, because this sword can cut anything and possesses the power of the entire Absolute Ensemble ↓



It will become 2-A.

As for the Sea and the Heavenly Foundations, I have a lot to say about them, because their current rating is not appropriate at all. The Heavenly Foundations themselves are spacetime structures, this was explicitly stated, and I have evidence for that. In this case, the Sea qualifies to be Low 1-C.

The characters will become 2-A, not 2-B. All the gods will be at this level, especially the Ultimate God of Annihilation, since she can destroy everything and also possesses Absolute Ensemble-level power. The gods are the same, nearly omnipotent and nearly omniscient.

In any case, I do not actually agree with these ratings in the first place, because I will open topics about upgrading the Absolute Ensemble, and until the very end I will remain convinced that Yogiri, in his true form,
is Tier 0.

1) you can only do 1crt per month, so wait 31 days to do the tier 1 (its gonna get closed too cuz not even mods agree)

2) in 31 days you can do the next crt for tier 1, rn you just can do 2-B until you do a new thread

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Yeah nah, I don't have the energy to go on with this, ask Reiner and I'm sure he'll understand what I meant.

So what did I say? That we will just return it to 2-A. I already told you that the sword has the power of the entire Absolute Ensemble, and that’s why it will be 2-A, and the Absolute Gods will be 2-A as well, and the Great Sage too. I mean, everything is clear.