Resistance from Defeating someone

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I've seen this happen many times. Basically the assumption that a character resists the hax of a character who they defeated (Mainly offscreen). Not directly resisting their hax, just beating them. However, this always seemed like a rather flawed assumption. Indeed, many series on our wiki don't benefit from this assumption, be it Zen'o compared to the series' general hax.

An example from one of my series to showcase how you don't need resistance to beat an haxxed character. Sakuya Izayoi is an extremely strong time manipulation user. Yet Watatsuki no Yorihime is stated to be far above and "untouchable" by anyone in Gensokyo (this includes Sakuya). The two actually fought in the Manga. Yorihime beat Sakuya not by resisting her ability (She was clearly affected by it), but simply by outwitting her and using her ability against her.

I'm not doing this thread as a Content Revision (yet), but I'd like to discuss with the wiki if this kind of Resistance scaling is acceptable or not and if yes, in which circumstances.

 

[Kaltias]

In general i don't think that it should be assumed that if you defeated someone you had to resist all their haxes.

Only case were I think that it can be assumed is if we are talking about passive stuff (if someone's mere presence erases your existence, you logically need to have resisted it in order to punch them in the face)

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking also.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

This is another one of those case by case things. The Grand Priest is untouchable to Whis, yet he doesn't resist Time Rewinding. But Lucifer Morningstar is untouchable to the Endless, so he's immune to things like Death Manipulation and Fate Manipulation.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

To be fair for Lucifer, it's 1-A vs High 1-B so it's not like they were going to hurt him anyway.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I know that, but I'm just saying. He-Man also has a bunch of resistances from standing up to Skeletor when Skeletor was at his peak of magical power. He was bending reality around him and was said to be able to erase the entire cosmos with a thought, and then He-Man just tackles him, and He-Man was like "why didn't the Power Sword work on you?" or something like that.

 

[Schnee_One]

Gilgamesh is another example, as it's consistently stated how B.B couldn't touch him no matter how hard she tried.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

A similar case with rivalries, as well. If a couple haxxed people are consistently rivals and can only stalemate each other for years and many serious fights, they probably resist each others' hax.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, PIS exists. Ganondorf doesn't have resistance to 2-C reality warping because the Golden Goddesses can't get rid of him for good.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Ganondorf has a type of immortality to explain that one.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Not really. Just Type 1, 2 and Low-Godly regen.

 

[Kaltias]

He doesn't tho. Not preventing a reality warper who can reshape a universe with a thought from killing him.

Other example, an explicitly bloodlusted Godcat decided to create Akron in order to lifewipe Earth instead of simply waving her hand. Again, this isn't resistance to reality warping for everyone on Earth. It's the author finding a way to prevent his verse from meeting an end.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

He doesn't have an Immortality for the curse Demise put on SS Link to make it to where he would always come back in some shape or form? Or is that where he gets his Low-Godly from? I figured this would be a type of non-applicable immortality.