Removing Connie's Instinctive Reactions

[Nullflowerblush]

A student bumps into Connie in the hall, and she reacts by slamming him into the ground (1:52).

This is not Instinctive Reactions. She was fully conscious during the events, and she was aware of what she was doing -- she just was not aware of who she was doing it to. Along with that, Connie has not demonstrated any other "Instinctive Reactions feat" afterwards. It should be removed and replaced with Enhanced Awareness.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah that can go it's weird she had that ability for that in the first

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This seens fine, and shouldn't change a lot the outcomes in the battles in here profile

 

[Antoniofer]

Ye, this is a pretty lame reason to grant someone Instinctive Reactions. Is Enhanced Awareness under Enhanced Senses tho? Plus, for someone that have Relativistic reactions, even with "normal" senses don't think that detecting a guy from behind (that is not even trying to be stealthily) is an issue.

 

[Damage3245]

Seems fine to remove it.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Agreed

 

[Vizer04]

Hard disagree, this is literally what the ability means.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Instinctive Reaction is the ability to react to oncoming attacks without the need for conscious thought.

 

[Vizer04]

She wasn't doing it consciously. If she was, she wouldn't have done that...

 

[Nullflowerblush]

She was conscious and active the entire time -- you can clearly see that. The kid bumped into her, and her hyper fight and flight impulses kicked in, and she sprung into action. We do not give someone Instinctive Reactions for reacting when someone surprises them -- otherwise, every character would have that.

 

[Vizer04]

She was conscious and active the entire time -- you can clearly see that. The kid bumped into her, and her hyper fight and flight impulses kicked in, and she sprung into action. We do not give someone Instinctive Reactions for reacting when someone surprises them -- otherwise, every character would have that.

She didn't make a non-complex reaction tho.

 

[DaReaperMan]

She didn't make a non-complex reaction tho.

That's hardly a counter argument.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The Instinctive Reaction page states...

Instinctive Reaction is the ability to react to oncoming attacks without the need for conscious thought. As such, those with this ability will automatically dodge and possibly counter oncoming attacks through muscle memory or instinct. As a result, the user is free to utilize the mental effort that is normally spent on performing these movements on other things.

She didn't react instinctively "before" they came into contact, she reacted instinctively "after" the bumped into each other. I guess you could say her body reacted on instinct to flip the kid but it's only after she was effect so it would be limited at most

 

[Vizer04]

I don't agree with this, but do what you think is better.

 

[Spinoirr]

This is why she has it

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Yeah, should be removed.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The kid bumped into her, and her hyper fight and flight impulses kicked in, and she sprung into action. We do not give someone Instinctive Reactions for reacting when someone surprises them -- otherwise, every character would have that.

 

[Vizer04]

This is why she has it

^ THIS

 

[Spinoirr]

"He just bumped into me in the hallway. I was so startled that my training instincts kicked in, i just...reacted."

It at best should be limited just like how start of super Goku has limited

 

[LordGriffin1000]

This is why she has it

That's why I suggested Limited.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Limited seems good to me

 

[Vizer04]

I guess Limited is fine...

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This is why she has it

after seeing this I agree with just limited

 

[Damage3245]

Limited seems okay.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This is why she has it

Isn't that... normal? There are people who get a scare from a friend and then instinctively shoot him in the real world. It's not a power

 

[Bernkastelll]

Isn't that... normal? There are people who get a scare from a friend and then instinctively shoot him in the real world. It's not a power

limited instinctive reaction does exist IRL, and it is limited instinctive reaction

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

limited instinctive reaction does exist IRL, and it is limited instinctive reaction

No, it does not exist. I have already punched a person who scared me and I'm definitely not special. The average person has shot his friend instinctively after a scare. It is not impossible and it is common

 

[Bernkastelll]

No, it does not exist.

Yeah it does, we have brain functions that works even when we are unconscious, if a character can use it combat wise, it is instinctive reaction, be limited or not

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah it does, we have brain functions that works even when we are unconscious, if a character can use it combat wise, it is instinctive reaction, be limited or not

When is it said that she is able to use? Cone was simply startled and then made a mechanical movement that she uses several times a day in training. She simply did what an ordinary human can do. You ignored 90% of my comment

 

[Antoniofer]

We can't just give characters IR for doing something as mundane and trivial as that (one may even say its more of a weakness).

 

[Bernkastelll]

When is it said that she is able to use? Cone was simply startled and then made a mechanical movement that she uses several times a day in training.

Why would Connie need to state that scan use it if she explains what happend? Martial Arts was fixed in the subconscious part of her mind, and she used it without being aware due merely instinct, and guess what? That's a brain function that works involuntary, copy pasted from google

'The central nervous system (CNS) consists of the brain and spinal cord. ... The autonomic system, a complex subset of the peripheral nervous system, controls involuntary activities, such as heart rate, temperature, and the smooth muscle activity of the vascular and digestive systems.''

yada yada

 

[Abstractions]

Not sure what puts this above someone with real-life combat experience or any normal person whatsoever. She reacted as part of a startle reflex, so I'm unsure how this indicates Instinctive Reaction in the way we list it here.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Why would Connie need to state that scan use it if she explains what happend?

Because what Connie says self refutes the fact that she can use it whenever she wants. She literally says in the whole episode that she did it intentionally and didn't mean to break the boy's arm. I can say "Wow, I punched a woman in the parking lot because she scared me. I have a ******* super power now". She just made a mechanical movement of the body, that is common

'The central nervous system (CNS) consists of the brain and spinal cord. ... The autonomic system, a complex subset of the peripheral nervous system, controls involuntary activities, such as heart rate, temperature, and the smooth muscle activity of the vascular and digestive systems.''

Could you tell me why this applies to anything here? That's what I'm saying, something mechanical and common. It is not something special

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Instinctive Reactions is not reacting to stimuli off of reflex. Instinctive Reactions revolves around all of your reactions being based on instinct.

Take for example Ultra Instinct from Dragon Ball which allows the user to act without the need to think. Their body moves autonomously based on its instincts -- they are running on autopilot. On the other hand, Connie was startled and reacted impulsively. Everybody does this. This is just human nature.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Because what Connie says self refutes the fact that she can use it whenever she wants. She literally says in the whole episode that she did it intentionally and didn't mean to break the boy's arm. I can say "Wow, I punched a woman in the parking lot because she scared me. I have a ******* super power now". She just made a mechanical movement of the body, that is common

I did not said that she can use it whenever she wants, and she didnt mean to break his arm, as she wasn't aware of what she did, she just noticed it after a while

Could you tell me why this applies to anything here? That's what I'm saying, something mechanical and common. It is not something special

Involuntary movements due instinct
Why would it need to be special if it's some short of power that does exist IRL?

 

[Coolboy6]

There is a video that proves that there is something similar to ultra instinct Here.

anyways, limited sounds good

 

[Bernkastelll]

There is a video that proves that there is something similar to ultra instinct Here.

uh....does this even counts?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

did not said that she can use it whenever she wants

if a character can use it combat wise, it is instinctive reaction

ok

she didnt mean to break his arm, as she wasn't aware of what she did, she just noticed it after a while

I also only noticed that I had punched a woman when I finished punching. That is the reason for being mechanical and insitive, if you knew what you were doing you would not do it.

Involuntary movements due instinct

You are giving any human in the world the ability to Instinctive Reactions, which is not real

 

[Bernkastelll]

I also only noticed that I had punched a woman when I finished punching. That is the reason for being mechanical and insitive, if you knew what you were doing you would not do it.

which is instinct, yeah

You are giving any human in the world the ability to Instinctive Reactions, which is not real

Any/ most of animals*, and it is real

 

[Nullflowerblush]

if a character can use it combat wise, it is instinctive reaction

Funny you should say that, because unless I am missing something, this is never demonstrated in combat.