Removal of Unicron's NEP2

[Rikimarox2]

Ez pz thread. The justification of Unicron's NEP2 is nowhere near enough to grant it, and it seems that he only predates the multiverse, not its concepts. And from the other threads, it seems there isn't any feats to justify it either.

Not to mention, in the very profile itself, it says he exists as an idea of chaos.

As such, it should be removed.

Agree: 8 (DragonLord, Bernkastelll, thelastmlg, Delta333, Antoniofer, Teezar, XSoulofcinderX, AbaddonTheDisappointment)

 

[DragonLord]

I remember there was a thread in March that tried to get this removed as well, and I currently agree

in fact, the entirety of Multiversal Unicron’s page seems flawed, not only is there barely any scans, the entire page is questionable since Unicron hasn’t been a “Multiversal Singularity” since 2015, officially all Unicron’s are now different to Hasbro and Takara

 

[Bernkastelll]

Ez pz thread. The justification of Unicron's NEP2 is nowhere near enough to grant it, and it seems that he only predates the multiverse, not its concepts. And from the other threads, it seems there isn't any feats to justify it either.

Not to mention, in the very profile itself, it says he exists as an idea of chaos.

As such, it should be removed.

I agre

 

[Thelastmlg]

Agreed too he is type 1 at best

 

[DragonLord]

I remember there was a thread in March that tried to get this removed as well, and I currently agree

in fact, the entirety of Multiversal Unicron’s page seems flawed, not only is there barely any scans, the entire page is questionable since Unicron hasn’t been a “Multiversal Singularity” since 2015, officially all Unicron’s are now different to Hasbro and Takara

And in a follow up, does a “True Form” and “Avatar” thing really even exist?, even when Unicron was a Multiversal Singularity the idea was that there was 1 Unicron traveling across Reality after he manifested his Astral Plane Self into the physical realm, nothing to do with “Avatars” or “True Forms”

 

[Delta333]

Agree too because the justification is self-explanatory,but I want to say that existing as an idea of chaos is not really contradicted to being NEP type 2 because there are characters that have both AE type 1 and NEP type 2 in this wiki

 

[Rikimarox2]

Agree too because the justification is self-explanatory,but I want to say that existing as an idea of chaos is not really contradicted to being NEP type 2 because there are characters that have both AE type 1 and NEP type 2 in this wiki

That's true, but that's when there's context. It's a rare case.

There's no context here at all, and if a being is stated to be an idea with no further context, they shouldn't be NEP2.

 

[Antoniofer]

Well, I've already said several times that predating reality does not make you nonexistent, and that kind of condition is more akin to Acausality, so I agree with this.

 

[Teezar]

I normally wank him but I agree.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I agree with this.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I agree

 

[Rikimarox2]

Alrighty, now we just 1 or 2 staff agreements. Not sure which staff I should message though :/

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Check the transformers verse page. Should be a couple of staff on the supporters section

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Agree too because the justification is self-explanatory,but I want to say that existing as an idea of chaos is not really contradicted to being NEP type 2 because there are characters that have both AE type 1 and NEP type 2 in this wiki

What characters? Pm me if you have too

 

[Rikimarox2]

What characters? Pm me if you have too

I recall Monster girl quest characters having NEP2 due to being a concept that predates other concept, but it was deleted. And I don't recall any other verse having such a thing.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

in fact, the entirety of Multiversal Unicron’s page seems flawed, not only is there barely any scans, the entire page is questionable since Unicron hasn’t been a “Multiversal Singularity” since 2015, officially all Unicron’s are now different to Hasbro and Takara

I'm working to fix the page. And to answer your question. This page of Unicron is only the multiversal one. Anything that is 2015 and beyond is not part of the multiversal Unicron

Renaming the page would be useful imo

Also this seems fine I guess

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also if the profiles are really that outdated we can always remove it

 

[Rikimarox2]

Also if the profiles are really that outdated we can always remove it

Perfect solution I agree

 

[DragonLord]

I'm working to fix the page. And to answer your question. This page of Unicron is only the multiversal one. Anything that is 2015 and beyond is not part of the multiversal Unicron

Renaming the page would be useful imo

Also this seems fine I guess

Still, the past versions of Unicron should probably get there own profiles since they’re also now retconned to be separate, I suppose this is sort of a Pre-Retcon Beyonder situation though

maybe “Pre-Shroud Unicron” would make it more accurate

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Still, the past versions of Unicron should probably get there own profiles since they’re also now retconned to be separate, I suppose this is sort of a Pre-Retcon Beyonder situation though

maybe “Pre-Shroud Unicron” would make it more accurate

That feels extremely troublesome? They technically don't exist anymore.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Characters not existing or being retconned never stopped them from being on the wiki

 

[Crabwhale]

I remember there was a thread in March that tried to get this removed as well, and I currently agree

in fact, the entirety of Multiversal Unicron’s page seems flawed, not only is there barely any scans, the entire page is questionable since Unicron hasn’t been a “Multiversal Singularity” since 2015, officially all Unicron’s are now different to Hasbro and Takara

Close, but apparently the multiversal singularity thing not being a thing anymore only counts for his manifestations, not the entity as a whole.

At least that's how I remember seeing it. It has been a long while since I worked on the profile.

 

[Crabwhale]

Either way this seems fine.

 

[DragonLord]

Close, but apparently the multiversal singularity thing not being a thing anymore only counts for his manifestations, not the entity as a whole.

Hm, if that’s true I suppose it’s all fine then, though then the Avatar Key seems pointless as those “avatars” can just have there own profiles as different continuity Unicron’s as they are currently, unless I’m missing something

Really I’d be interested in trying to rework the general Transformers profiles, the G1 cartoon Profiles use a Calc from Worm and not there own verse

 

[Eficiente]

I knew it was wrong too when seeing the profile, I agree as well.

 

[Delta333]

What characters? Pm me if you have too

Oblivion and Nil

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Anyway, since we have 2 staff approval. I think this CRT can be applied. I'll do the edit and this can be closed

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I've applied the change, this can be closed

 

[Rikimarox2]

Nice~ thanks for applying it!

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

No probs