Remaking a DMC Lady Calculation

[Random-Helper323]

I made this calculation, a remake of an existing one. Calculation is already approved.

Old calculation.

The issues are outlined in the blog, but simply put, the original calculation used fragmentation as a conservative estimate. The destroyed monster arm used in the calculation is shown getting reduced to what looks like dust or vapour, which made me think this wasn't the best choice.

I'm putting this in Calc Group Discussion instead of Content Revision for two reasons: because I'm proposing a new version of an existing calculation and because the three ends used in the calculation have to be weighed against each other.

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Lady's normal guns would scale to this from the TAS key onwards, and her Kalina Ann from then on would upscale (this part only applies if vaporization is used).

• If either V Frag or Pulv is used, this would mean her TAS key and later would go up to 9-A with her normal guns while her Kalina Ann and Durability would remain 8-C.
  
  
• If Vaporization is used, all of her equipment would jump to High 8-C, and this would scale to her Durability.

Spoiler: Arguments

An issue that might be raised is that one value, specifically the vaporization value, is higher than the calculation for her big gun, the Kalina Ann. Context, however, is that the feat being used for that was done in DMC3, Lady's weakest incarnation, literally Lady back when she was an amateur.

Another issue that might be raised is that the same Kalina Ann that performed the lower feat is still her strongest weapon. She gets her weapons worked on by weapon smiths, and the power of the weapon seems to have magic involved, making it easily possible it could have gotten stronger.

One issue raised by Dark-Carioca was whether the guns have a track record of pulverizing or vaporizing enemies, which they actually do.

Agree (Vaporization): Planck, KLOL, Elizhaa, Dalesean, Random-Helper323,

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Agree
Also we have canonical anti-demon weapons in lore, Kalina Ann classify as one. So AP=/=DC applies, so shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Agree
Also we have canonical anti-demon weapons in lore, Kalina Ann classify as one. So AP=/=DC applies, so shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for the added lore. Note this is a Calc Group thread though, so it's best to let the Calc Group discuss it here, okay?

 

[Planck69]

Seems fine.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Seems fine.

Which end do you think should be used?

Currently both evaluations seem to lean towards vaporization.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Something, something, you mentioned vaporization and used DMC3 as an example.

I'm against that since the sins are just avatars made of sand, false bodies and all that. She obviously isn't vaporizing sand, just destroying the body.

 

[Planck69]

Which end do you think should be used?

Currently both evaluations seem to lean towards vaporization.

Both calc group members agreed with vaporization, did they not? I'll follow their lead on that.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Something, something, you mentioned vaporization and used DMC3 as an example.

I'm against that since the sins are just avatars made of sand, false bodies and all that. She obviously isn't vaporizing sand, just destroying the body.

She's still blasting the body into sand. The example wasn't for vaporization specifically, but for an example of her guns going beyond violent fragmentation.

Also, that was only supporting information. Her gun clearly reduces that demon's arm to something pretty fine; we literally see it swirl around in the wind and blow away.

 

[Random-Helper323]

@KLOL506 @Dark-Carioca @Dalesean027

Sorry for the ping. What do you three think?

 

[KLOL506]

I am unmoved by Tony's point of contention.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I am unmoved by Tony's point of contention.

Do you still lean towards vaporization like before?

 

[KLOL506]

Do you still lean towards vaporization like before?

Aye

 

[Random-Helper323]

@Elizhaa @Migue79 @Reiner04 what do you think here?

 

[Elizhaa]

The vaporization option looks fine since it was seems to have been more supported or accepted by the calc group members.

 

[Random-Helper323]

So, with a decision reached, should I post this issue in the Content Revision forum?

The rules do say:

• If there exist conflicting accepted calculations for the same feat, the calc group members should discuss which ones that are most reliable to use in their own forum. The calc group is free to ask for relevant information from reliable members, by using the knowledgeable members list for verses or the associated verse page list of supporters. After a decision has been reached, and the most reliable calculations have been selected, a discussion should be started in the content revision forum to decide which characters that should scale to the feats.

 

[Random-Helper323]

@Dalesean027 @Dark-Carioca @Migue79 @Reiner04 @KingTempest @Emirp sumitpo

What do you think? Your input would be much appreciated.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah the vape is fine

 

[Random-Helper323]

Yeah the vape is fine

Thanks for the eval. I'm given to understand that with Vape accepted as the best choice here, I have to make a CRT to apply it. That's correct, right?

The rules do say:

• If there exist conflicting accepted calculations for the same feat, the calc group members should discuss which ones that are most reliable to use in their own forum. The calc group is free to ask for relevant information from reliable members, by using the knowledgeable members list for verses or the associated verse page list of supporters. After a decision has been reached, and the most reliable calculations have been selected, a discussion should be started in the content revision forum to decide which characters that should scale to the feats.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Given the consensus is for vaporization, I'll agree with that too. According to the rules I can add a vote here if necessary.