Reinhard vs Medaka

[Fezzih_007]

Reinhard has an eternity to go through all of his thought based haxes gg

He don't have trought based hax.

His mana stealing thing is also a thing he need to get close to activate.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

He don't have trought based hax.

His mana stealing thing is also a thing he need to get close to activate.

he does and no, he did Emilia dirty from a distance just by existing. He could absolutely sleep manipulate people if he wanted to from a distance, there is also the glare and his mind manipulation

Ah okay, It still sounds worse then Medaka enabling something like Encounter on the fly since Reinhard has to do that and then do his sleep manip

Supernatural Luck still screws it over.

I mean at that point he can just go through all of his thought based haxes first inlcuding Mind Manipulation and Sleep hax

 

[Hiiilt]

he does and no, he did Emilia dirty from a distance just by existing. He could absolutely sleep manipulate people if he wanted to from a distance, there is also the glare

what does his glare do?

and his mind manipulation

he would need to re obtain that blessing tho

if he wastes time getting it back medaka will just erase him with all fiction

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

what does his glare do?

he would need to re obtain that blessing tho

if he wastes time getting it back medaka will just erase him with all fiction

go back and reread the perception amp part

 

[Huesito88]

I'm not understanding why the op decided to speed equalize

 

[Fezzih_007]

he does

Like?

he did Emilia dirty from a distance just by existing. He could absolutely sleep manipulate people if he wanted to from a distance,

I talking about his range, he don't have the range nescessary to get his mana absorption to work, since is 4km away. Emilia as just a few meters away from him, and he also dint put her to sleep. He also needed to touch Felt to absorbs her mana.

there is also the glare

That's technically not a hax, but yeah true.

and his mind manipulation

She have resistance trought.

 

[Hiiilt]

go back and reread the perception amp part

reinhard will slow down his perception, know the power he needs to use due to his godly intuition(that somehow won't be affected by medaka supernatural luck), re obtain his mind manip blessing and use it before medaka can form a single thought?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

reinhard will slow down his perception, know the power he needs to use due to his godly intuition(that somehow won't be affected by medaka supernatural luck), re obtain his mind manip blessing and use it before medaka can form a single thought?

yes. as i said, go back and read how massive the amp is
even if it was affected by supernatural luck he would still be able to do all of his thought based haxes before she could even use one of hers

Like?

I talking about his range, he don't have the range nescessary to get his mana absorption to work, since is 4km away. Emilia as just a few meters away from him, and he also dint put her to sleep. He also needed to touch Felt to absorbs her mana.

he put her hand over her so he doesnt need to directly touch her, Emilia (who has the highest mana supply btw) also almost fainted just because he got slightly serious. We know he wasnt going even 1 billionth of his true power in that scenario and was holding back to an immense degree

That's technically not a hax, but yeah true.

She have resistance trought.

her resistance even if you wank it would only be biological whereas Reinhard's blessing affects the soul as well

 

[Hiiilt]

Even if it was affected by supernatural luck he would still be able to do all of his thought based haxes before she could even use one of hers

If his godly intuition is affected then he won't know that he needs to mind manip her and he would try to erase her with his sword slash

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

If his godly intuition is affected then he won't know that he needs to mind manip her and he would try to erase her with his sword slash

no because supernatural luck wont nullify his ability but only make him choose the less likely options. Since AF makes it so the EE isnt a wincon he would choose his other wincons which are all thought based

 

[Fezzih_007]

he put her hand over her so he doesnt need to directly touch her

What?

Emilia (who has the highest mana supply btw) also almost fainted just because he got slightly serious.

Exactly, she din't faint trought.

Since AF makes it so the EE isnt a wincon he would choose his other wincons which are all thought based

Dra, that still don't matter, because Reinhard is not on the range to activate any of that.

her resistance even if you wank it would only be biological whereas Reinhard's blessing affects the soul as well

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

her resistance even if you wank it would only be biological whereas Reinhard's blessing affects the soul as well

Encounter still says "nuh uh"

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

What?


Exactly, she din't faint trought.

amp it a billion times then, no way Emilia wouldnt faint from that

Dra, that still don't matter, because Reinhard is not on the range to activate any of that.

mind manipulation's range is basically Reinhard being aware of your existence

Encounter still says "nuh uh"

Encounter only transfers "damage"
none of what i mentioned was any form of damage

 

[Hiiilt]

Encounter only transfers "damage"
none of what i mentioned was any form of damage

It also can transfer trauma and stress

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Encounter only transfers "damage"
none of what i mentioned was any form of damage

Encounter negs scar dead which can also reopen mental wounds too, and from the profile Gagamaru Chougasaki profile itself who is the main user of that skill:

Forcefield Creation, Damage Transferal and Invulnerability (Can push away any and all physical, mental, emotional and spiritual damage he would sustain to someone or something else in his vicinity)

I think Manipulation would count as what you would call "damage"

 

[Ikelaggan]

I'm not understanding why the op decided to speed equalize

Probably so Medaka doesn't suffer the Sans ratio effect. Lol

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Encounter negs scar dead which can also reopen mental wounds too, and from the profile Gagamaru Chougasaki profile itself who is the main user of that skill:

Forcefield Creation, Damage Transferal and Invulnerability (Can push away any and all physical, mental, emotional and spiritual damage he would sustain to someone or something else in his vicinity)

I think Manipulation would count as what you would call "damage"

that sounds like a reach, Reinhard isnt harming her in anyway like what scar dead does but instead influencing her mind which is completely different. we dont take damage=manipulation in the wiki eiher

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

that sounds like a reach, Reinhard isnt harming her in anyway like what scar dead does but instead influencing her mind which is completely different. we dont take damage=manipulation in the wiki eiher

I don't think it is a reach, especially since Encounter should make something like Oudo's abnormality which can also brainwash people as well just not do anything, and that isn't really damage either.

 

[Hiiilt]

that sounds like a reach, Reinhard isnt harming her in anyway like what scar dead does but instead influencing her mind which is completely different. we dont take damage=manipulation in the wiki eiher

Shibuki stated that encounter can transfer stress and trauma so it can transfer way more than just damage(and medaka copied 120% of this ability full capacity)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I don't think it is a reach, especially since Encounter should make something like Oudo's abnormality which can also brainwash people as well just not do anything, and that isn't really damage either.

i would need a scan for that

Shibuki stated that encounter can transfer stress and trauma so it can transfer way more than just damage(and medaka copied 120% of this ability full capacity)

stress and trauma also dont cover Mind,soul based manipulation

 

[Hiiilt]

what stops medaka from instantly copying reinhard?

her ability, 'The end', can instantly copy anything at 120% of their capacity and reinhard doesn't resist power mimicry

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

what stops medaka from instantly copying reinhard?

her ability, 'The end', can instantly copy anything at 120% of their capacity and reinhard doesn't resist power mimicry

the fact that she instantly gets mind manipulated. She doesn't have a chance to copy Reinhard

 

[Hiiilt]

the fact that she instantly gets mind manipulated. She doesn't have a chance to copy Reinhard

it's not instantaneous if he still has to re obtain the blessing, receive it and then use it

even in the side story "once upon a time in lugunica" he didn't receive it instantly and in arc 5 subaru still managed to talk and wave his hand before reinhard received the blessing he wanted

 

[Fezzih_007]

mind manipulation's range is basically Reinhard being aware of your existence

Nah lol
His mind manipulations is not really that fast or have feats of covering 4km.

 

[OriginFox]

I dont get why use Medaka instead of like Misogi. As far as I'm aware Medaka barely uses her haxs and shit

 

[Hiiilt]

I dont get why use Medaka instead of like Misogi.

ig it's supposed to be thematic? godlike character with savior complex that has hundreds of hax vs godlike character with savior complex that has hundreds of hax

As far as I'm aware Medaka barely uses her haxs and shit

yeah, she prefers to hold back in character but she is bloodlustedd is in this match

 

[CurrySenpai]

the fact that she instantly gets mind manipulated. She doesn't have a chance to copy Reinhard

Damn this is a new argument, where'd you pull it from this time Satella your ass?

Anyways medaka fra

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

it's not instantaneous if he still has to re obtain the blessing, receive it and then use it

even in the side story "once upon a time in lugunica" he didn't receive it instantly and in arc 5 subaru still managed to talk and wave his hand before reinhard received the blessing he wanted

Reinhard's capacity to acquire blessings is at the same speed as his thought, as is evident from the fact that it took no time for him to wish for a blessing and the blessing to arrive in arc 5. However, in a combat scenario his perception increases and so would the speed of the blessing received.

Nah lol
His mind manipulations is not really that fast or have feats of covering 4km.

I am not gonna entertain you if you are just gonna throw around falsehoods, all it took for him to manipulate Marcos was the knowledge of his existence. Not even the location was required

Damn this is a new argument, where'd you pull it from this time Satella your ass?

Anyways medaka fra

for what reasons exactly?

 

[CurrySenpai]

for what reasons exactly?

I said FRA didn't I. For the reasons above. Anyways I have work to do so I will likely not be returning unless new counter arguments are made

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I said FRA didn't I. For the reasons above. Anyways I have work to do so I will likely not be returning unless new counter arguments are made

are you sure you read the arguments for both sides properly? what is your reason for believing the speed amp wouldn't be overwhelming for Medaka?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I’m pretty sure Medaka stomps pretty damn hard. Supernatural Luck screws Reinhard over, I don’t know what this is about “he has an eternity to use his thought based” stuff when he’s getting nulled at the start of the fight anyway.

Even Reid can't cut his blessings and he has cm type 2 as well

Back to this for a second, this argument doesn’t make sense. I don’t think just because Reid himself can’t cut the blessing does not equal the thing never existed to begin with, that’s what All Fiction does.

 

[Hiiilt]

Back to this for a second, this argument doesn’t make sense. I don’t think just because Reinhard himself can’t cut the blessing does not equal the thing never existed to begin with, that’s what All Fiction does.

it's reid who can't cut blessings not reinhard but i agree with you

i don't know why are we even talking about af erasing his blessings when medaka probably is gonna try to erase him first and not his blessings

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

it's rein who can't cut blessings not reinhard but i agree with you

i don't know why are we even talking about af erasing his blessings when medaka probably is gonna try to erase him first and not his blessings

minor mistake, argument lost. Also true.

 

[CurrySenpai]

are you sure you read the arguments for both sides properly? what is your reason for believing the speed amp wouldn't be overwhelming for Medaka?

You can look at the arguments above to figure out my reasoning why

 

[Wandering_Bread]

Bump.

 

[CurrySenpai]

Bump.

I love how this thread and this bump are your only 2 messages

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I love how this thread and this bump are your only 2 messages

The man's goal is just to decide this battle in vsbattle.

Nothing else matters.

 

[CurrySenpai]

The man's goal is just to decide this battle in vsbattle.

Nothing else matters.

True,,,,, that's what it means to be a powerscaler.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I’m pretty sure Medaka stomps pretty damn hard. Supernatural Luck screws Reinhard over, I don’t know what this is about “he has an eternity to use his thought based” stuff when he’s getting nulled at the start of the fight anyway.


Back to this for a second, this argument doesn’t make sense. I don’t think just because Reid himself can’t cut the blessing does not equal the thing never existed to begin with, that’s what All Fiction does.

Medaka needs to think to use AF, Reinhard is faster due to his perception boost.
What do you not get?

btw I feel like this match is a stomp either way

 

[Hiiilt]

Medaka needs to think to use AF, Reinhard is faster due to his perception boost.
What do you not get?

supernatural luck is gonna make him not know that he needs to use his mind manip

btw I feel like this match is a stomp either way

yeah, either medaka erases him the second it begins and never gives him a chance to do anything due to her supernatural luck or reinhard controls her mind and never gives her a chance to do anything with his perception boost