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Reality Quest Discussion Thread

Speed calc got accepted. I'll make the CRT on who it applies to tomorrow, probably 5 characters scale to it? (Swordsmen guy, Dowan (cuz of his fight against SM), Sehee (against Dowan), Ji (obvs), Cheongwol (obvs), and Eunsung (fight against Cheongwol)).
 
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Disagree with Seehee personally, we did see base Dowan dodge most of his stuff comfortably. Though Seehee with speed Tech > Current Dowan w Booster so it doesn't matter that much I think
 
CatLover313 said:
Speed calc got accepted. I'll make the CRT on who it applies to tomorrow, probably 5 characters scale to it? (Swordsmen guy, Dowan (cuz of his fight against SM), Sehee (against Dowan), Ji (obvs), Cheongwol (obvs), and Eunsung (fight against Cheongwol)).
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Wouldn't it make more sense to upgrade/downgrade AP, LS and speed all at once? Since several feats changed

and the scaling note is outdated as HELL
 
CatLover313 said:
Speed calc got accepted. I'll make the CRT on who it applies to tomorrow, probably 5 characters scale to it? (Swordsmen guy, Dowan (cuz of his fight against SM), Sehee (against Dowan), Ji (obvs), Cheongwol (obvs), and Eunsung (fight against Cheongwol)).
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I think we should wait to see if this calc gets accepted before making a CRT.
It would be better to make one that revises the entire scaling chain.
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
I think we should wait to see if this calc gets accepted before making a CRT.
It would be better to make one that revises the entire scaling chain.
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Mercury009 said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to upgrade/downgrade AP, LS and speed all at once? Since several feats changed

and the scaling note is outdated as HELL
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I guess I can give it a week and if no changes, then I’ll make a crt for all ap, ls, and speed
 
I've updated the scaling chain with the Class M feat getting downgraded to Class K and scaling the Rep tier to Sun-Jae's casual feat.
How is this:

Low Tier: Average thugs <<< Seong-U So

Mid-Low Tier: Cho Il-Seok ≤ Kang Se-Hoon (Season 1) < Dowan Ha (Beginning of series) ≤ Above Average thugs (post Dowan's training arc) < Si-Yeon (Approval Stamp) < Shin Se-Hee
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-B (287.33 Kilojoules), higher than Low Tier
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (34.3 m/s; Cho Il-Seok can dodge Blind Spot Strike)
    • Travel Speed: At least Peak Human (10.03 m/s; Massively superior to the average thugs who are athletes)
  • Lifting Strength: At least Athletic Human (179.9 kg), higher than Low Tier

High-Low Tier: Jung Seok-Yung (Pre Training) < Dowan Ha (Post Training) <<< Gwangmyeong Kim
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-B+ (12.7 Megajoules)
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (70.98 m/s) up to possibly Transonic (354.9 m/s; Gwangmyeong Kim could react to Post Training Dowan with Boosters active which is a possible 5x speed multiplier to this feat)
    • Travel Speed: At least Superhuman (20.7 m/s; Upscales this feat)
    • Perception: Superhuman (0.08 seconds; Characters in this tier can react to attacks reaching subsonic to possibly transonic speeds and so should be at least superhuman to be able to react to incoming attacks.)
  • Lifting Strength: At least Peak Human (227 kg; Upscales this feat)

Mid Tier: Jihan Yoo (Base) ≤ Jung Seok-Yung (Post Training) < Dragon <<< Dowan Ha (Post Dragon's Nest)
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-B+ (12.7 Megajoules), higher than High-Low Tier up to 9-A (73.78 Megajoules)
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (70.98 m/s) possibly Transonic (354.9 m/s), higher than High-Low Tier
    • Travel Speed: At least Superhuman (20.7 m/s; Upscales this feat), higher than High-Low Tier
    • Perception: At least Superhuman (0.08 seconds)
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class 5 (4.533 Tonnes) up to Class K (266.2 Tonnes)

High-Mid Tier: Dowan Ha (Rage Power/Auto Mode) < Kang Se-Hoon (Season 2) ≤ Jung Seok-Yung (Season 2) <? Shin Se-Hee (Season 2)
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-A (73.78 Megajoules)
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (70.98 m/s) possibly Transonic (354.9 m/s), higher than Mid Tier
    • Travel Speed: Subsonic (118 m/s)
    • Perception: At least Superhuman (0.08 seconds), likely higher
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class K (266.2 Tonnes)

Representative Tier: Hosung Kim < XXX ≤ Jihan Yoo (Mind Control) ≤ Dowan Ha (Challenger Tower) ≤ Dae Bujin < Gong-Cheol < Shin Woo-Ju < Dowan Ha (Indomitable Will)
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-A (130.607 Megajoules)
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (166 m/s), possibly Hypersonic (1,774.5 m/s; The old reps were able to somewhat react to Challenger Tower Dowan with Boosters active which should make them superior to his previous key with Boosters, a 5x multiplier to base Post-Dragon’s nest Dowan’s Transonic speed in the Mid-Tier)
    • Travel Speed: At least Subsonic (118 m/s), higher than High-Mid Tier
    • Perception: At least Superhuman (0.08 seconds), likely far higher
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class M (14997.15 Tonnes)

High Tier: Kim Cheong Wol < Han Eun-Sung <? Dowan Ha (Extraordinary Body) ≤ Ji Sung-Hyun < Cheon Min Yool <<< Choi Sun-Jae
  • AP/Dura: At least 8-C (3.347 Gigajoules) up to far higher
  • Speed: At least Supersonic (478 m/s), possibly High Hypersonic (8,872.5 m/s; Dowan stated that the power up he got from unlocking the extraordinary body is incomparable to anything else he has ever experienced which should put Extraordinary Body Dowan’s speed above his previous key with Boosters)
    • Travel Speed: At least Subsonic (118 m/s), higher than Representative Tier
    • Perception: At least Superhuman+ (0.0291 seconds) possibly Subsonic (0.016 Seconds; The speed boost from Boosters also increases Dowan's perception speed by 5x, with Extraordinary Body Dowan being far superior to all his previous keys in every aspect his base perception becomes at least high-end superhuman to possibly a 5x multiplier to his baseline superhuman perception of 0.08 seconds)
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class M (14997.15 Tonnes), higher than Representative Tier

God Tier: Choi Sun-Jae (Speed Technique)
  • AP/Dura: At least 8-C (3.347 Gigajoules), higher than High Tier
  • Speed: At least Supersonic+ (940.82 m/s), possibly Massively Hypersonic (44,362.5 m/s; Sun-Jae is leagues beyond Post-Extraordinary Body Dowan capable of perception blitzing him and is likely even superior to him with boosters active which is a 5x multiplier to the high-end speed of the High-Tiers)
    • Travel Speed: At least Supersonic+ (940.82 m/s)
    • Perception: At least Superhuman+ (0.0291 seconds) possibly Subsonic (0.016 Seconds), likely higher
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class M (14997.15 Tonnes), higher than High Tier
 
I honestly didnt mind the separation between Representative and Former representative tier from before. We do know for a fact a former rep is leaps and bounds above a "regular" representative from S1 (S2 Dowan literally one shot 2 after coming back from the tower).
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
I've updated the scaling chain with the Class M feat getting downgraded to Class K and scaling the Rep tier to Sun-Jae's casual feat.
How is this:

Low Tier: Average thugs <<< Seong-U So

Mid-Low Tier: Cho Il-Seok ≤ Kang Se-Hoon (Season 1) < Dowan Ha (Beginning of series) ≤ Above Average thugs (post Dowan's training arc) < Si-Yeon (Approval Stamp) < Shin Se-Hee
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-B (287.33 Kilojoules), higher than Low Tier
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (34.3 m/s; Cho Il-Seok can dodge Blind Spot Strike)
    • Travel Speed: At least Peak Human (10.03 m/s; Massively superior to the average thugs who are athletes)
  • Lifting Strength: At least Athletic Human (179.9 kg), higher than Low Tier

High-Low Tier: Jung Seok-Yung (Pre Training) < Dowan Ha (Post Training) <<< Gwangmyeong Kim
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-B+ (12.7 Megajoules)
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (70.98 m/s) up to possibly Transonic (354.9 m/s; Gwangmyeong Kim could react to Post Training Dowan with Boosters active which is a possible 5x speed multiplier to this feat)
    • Travel Speed: At least Superhuman (20.7 m/s; Upscales this feat)
    • Perception: Superhuman (0.08 seconds; Characters in this tier can react to attacks reaching subsonic to possibly transonic speeds and so should be at least superhuman to be able to react to incoming attacks.)
  • Lifting Strength: At least Peak Human (227 kg; Upscales this feat)

Mid Tier: Jihan Yoo (Base) ≤ Jung Seok-Yung (Post Training) < Dragon <<< Dowan Ha (Post Dragon's Nest)
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-B+ (12.7 Megajoules), higher than High-Low Tier up to 9-A (73.78 Megajoules)
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (70.98 m/s) possibly Transonic (354.9 m/s), higher than High-Low Tier
    • Travel Speed: At least Superhuman (20.7 m/s; Upscales this feat), higher than High-Low Tier
    • Perception: At least Superhuman (0.08 seconds)
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class 5 (4.533 Tonnes) up to Class K (266.2 Tonnes)

High-Mid Tier: Dowan Ha (Rage Power/Auto Mode) < Kang Se-Hoon (Season 2) ≤ Jung Seok-Yung (Season 2) <? Shin Se-Hee (Season 2)
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-A (73.78 Megajoules)
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (70.98 m/s) possibly Transonic (354.9 m/s), higher than Mid Tier
    • Travel Speed: Subsonic (118 m/s)
    • Perception: At least Superhuman (0.08 seconds), likely higher
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class K (266.2 Tonnes)

Representative Tier: Hosung Kim < XXX ≤ Jihan Yoo (Mind Control) ≤ Dowan Ha (Challenger Tower) ≤ Dae Bujin < Gong-Cheol < Shin Woo-Ju < Dowan Ha (Indomitable Will)
  • AP/Dura: At least 9-A (130.607 Megajoules)
  • Speed: At least Subsonic (166 m/s), possibly Hypersonic (1,774.5 m/s; The old reps were able to somewhat react to Challenger Tower Dowan with Boosters active which should make them superior to his previous key with Boosters, a 5x multiplier to base Post-Dragon’s nest Dowan’s Transonic speed in the Mid-Tier)
    • Travel Speed: At least Subsonic (118 m/s), higher than High-Mid Tier
    • Perception: At least Superhuman (0.08 seconds), likely far higher
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class M (14997.15 Tonnes)

High Tier: Kim Cheong Wol < Han Eun-Sung <? Dowan Ha (Extraordinary Body) ≤ Ji Sung-Hyun < Cheon Min Yool <<< Choi Sun-Jae
  • AP/Dura: At least 8-C (3.347 Gigajoules) up to far higher
  • Speed: At least Supersonic (478 m/s), possibly High Hypersonic (8,872.5 m/s; Dowan stated that the power up he got from unlocking the extraordinary body is incomparable to anything else he has ever experienced which should put Extraordinary Body Dowan’s speed above his previous key with Boosters)
    • Travel Speed: At least Subsonic (118 m/s), higher than Representative Tier
    • Perception: At least Superhuman+ (0.0291 seconds) possibly Subsonic (0.016 Seconds; The speed boost from Boosters also increases Dowan's perception speed by 5x, with Extraordinary Body Dowan being far superior to all his previous keys in every aspect his base perception becomes at least high-end superhuman to possibly a 5x multiplier to his baseline superhuman perception of 0.08 seconds)
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class M (14997.15 Tonnes), higher than Representative Tier

God Tier: Choi Sun-Jae (Speed Technique)
  • AP/Dura: At least 8-C (3.347 Gigajoules), higher than High Tier
  • Speed: At least Supersonic+ (940.82 m/s), possibly Massively Hypersonic (44,362.5 m/s; Sun-Jae is leagues beyond Post-Extraordinary Body Dowan capable of perception blitzing him and is likely even superior to him with boosters active which is a 5x multiplier to the high-end speed of the High-Tiers)
    • Travel Speed: At least Supersonic+ (940.82 m/s)
    • Perception: At least Superhuman+ (0.0291 seconds) possibly Subsonic (0.016 Seconds), likely higher
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class M (14997.15 Tonnes), higher than High Tier
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If it's fine, could we not stack the booster multiplier on itself and just do one degree of separation from it's nearest feat
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
I think we should wait to see if this calc gets accepted before making a CRT.
It would be better to make one that revises the entire scaling chain.
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Calc got nuked; we can proceed safely, ngl

Edit: To be clear, there is a little change this can still go up to Supersonic, but it's not as drastic a change as Pettam and I thought it was
 
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Mercury009 said:
Calc got nuked; we can proceed safely, ngl

Edit: To be clear, there is a little change this can still go up to Supersonic, but it's not as drastic a change as Pettam and I thought it was
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Instead of using 10.05 m/s for the running speed, just use 12.43 m/s which is baseline superhuman
 
I know he updated it, but I haven't heard anything else. Imo you can definitely proceed, as the higher-than-supersonic ends are super unlikely due to the artist statements being used to extract a value for the movement.
 
CRT made!
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Reality Quest CRT - LS Revision and Speed Upgrade for Mid/High/Top tiers

These two feats have been changed: LS Feat 1: Dowan breaks a door (113k Tons [Class M] → 266 Tons [Class K]) LS Feat 2: Bujin compresses a barbell (2.6k Tons [Class M] → 14.9k Tons [Class M]) And this speed feat was accepted Swordsmen saves the Queen from glass: 417.46 m/s So this CRT is...
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DeltaStriker22 said:
High Tier: Kim Cheong Wol < Han Eun-Sung <? Dowan Ha (Extraordinary Body) ≤ Ji Sung-Hyun < Cheon Min Yool <<< Choi Sun-Jae
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Small nitpick in the list: I think we should separate Dowan Ha (EB) into 2, with the following:
  • Dowan Ha (Extraordinary Body)
  • Dowan Ha (Kill Mode)

We know Automode gives a substantial buff to the user, although the amount is unknown if we strictly go by what is shown in statements and do not use artist/author statements.

Also just noticed the High tier category might need a mid tier treatment, seeing just how many association and HQ members there are
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Mercury009 said:
Small nitpick in the list: I think we should separate Dowan Ha (EB) into 2, with the following:
  • Dowan Ha (Extraordinary Body)
  • Dowan Ha (Kill Mode)

We know Automode gives a substantial buff to the user, although the amount is unknown if we strictly go by what is shown in statements and do not use artist/author statements.

Also just noticed the High tier category might need a mid tier treatment, seeing just how many association and HQ members there are
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Kill Mode and Auto Mode are (for now) assumed to provide the same stat increase.
We can split EB key into Base (scales below Ji) and Kill Mode (scales above Ji).
 
Mercury009 said:
Small nitpick in the list: I think we should separate Dowan Ha (EB) into 2, with the following:
  • Dowan Ha (Extraordinary Body)
  • Dowan Ha (Kill Mode)
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I believe that, in terms of power amplification, Auto Mode (both the normal version and Kill Mode) provides the same level of enhancement. The key difference is that Kill Mode is specifically designed to eliminate its target. While active, the system automatically searches for the fastest and most efficient way to kill the opponent.

In contrast, the normal version of Auto Mode does not prioritize killing. It generally focuses on defeating the opponent without lethal intent, unless the time limit is about to expire or the opponent is overwhelmingly stronger than the user.
 
I've updated the scaling chain with Auto/Killing Mode.

Low Tier: Average thugs <<< Seong-U So

Mid-Low Tier: Cho Il-Seok ≤ Kang Se-Hoon (Season 1) < Dowan Ha (Beginning of series) ≤ Above Average thugs (post Dowan's training arc) < Si-Yeon (Approval Stamp) < Shin Se-Hee

High-Low Tier: Jung Seok-Yung (Pre Training) < Dowan Ha (Post Training) <<< Gwangmyeong Kim ≤? Dowan Ha (Post Training: Auto Mode)

Mid Tier: Jihan Yoo (Base) ≤ Jung Seok-Yung (Post Training) < Dragon <<< Dowan Ha (Post Dragon's Nest)

High-Mid Tier: Dowan Ha (Post Dragon's Nest: Rage Power/Auto Mode) < Kang Se-Hoon (Season 2) ≤ Jung Seok-Yung (Season 2) <? Shin Se-Hee (Season 2)

Old Rep Tier: Hosung Kim < XXX ≤ Jihan Yoo (Mind Control) ≤ Dowan Ha (Challenger Tower) ≤ Dae Bujin < Gong-Cheol < Shin Woo-Ju < Dowan Ha (Indomitable Will)

High Tier: Kim Cheong Wol < Han Eun-Sung <? Dowan Ha (Extraordinary Body) ≤ Ji Sung-Hyun < Dowan Ha (Extraordinary Body: Kill Mode) < Cheon Min Yool <<< Choi Sun-Jae

God Tier: Choi Sun-Jae (Speed Technique)
 
I'm planning to work on Jenny's profile (I personally really like her character), so I was wondering: since she was able to fight Kim Cheong Wol on relatively equal footing, should she scale to Kim Cheong Wol, or not?🤔
 
Black_Cat49 said:
I'm planning to work on Jenny's profile (I personally really like her character), so I was wondering: since she was able to fight Kim Cheong Wol on relatively equal footing, should she scale to Kim Cheong Wol, or not?🤔
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I think she scales to Cheong Wol but should still be below her (weakest in high tier).
What abilities are you planning to give her? High-Tier Physiology, Martial Arts and Weapon Mastery?
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
I think she scales to Cheong Wol but should still be below her (weakest in high tier).
What abilities are you planning to give her? High-Tier Physiology, Martial Arts and Weapon Mastery?
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The abilities I would give her are Social Influencing, Acrobatics, Martial Arts, and Weapon Mastery.

As for High-Tier Physiology, I'm not sure what level it should be. Based on her performance in combat, perhaps Headquarters Level? Since she was able to fight Kim Cheong Wol on relatively equal footing.
 
Black_Cat49 said:
As for High-Tier Physiology, I'm not sure what level it should be. Based on her performance in combat, perhaps Headquarters Level? Since she was able to fight Kim Cheong Wol on relatively equal footing.
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Yes. Every character in High Tier or above qualifies for Headquarters level.
 
Btw, I made a Sandbox for profiles.

The plan is to compile the stats and abilities of all the characters who don't have profiles into one list then get it evaluated in a CRT when Season 2 ends. Feel free to add stuff to it (I don't think I can work on 16 characters alone lol).
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
Btw, I made a Sandbox for profiles.

The plan is to compile the stats and abilities of all the characters who don't have profiles into one list then get it evaluated in a CRT when Season 2 ends. Feel free to add stuff to it (I don't think I can work on 16 characters alone lol).
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Don't worry, I'll definitely help you—especially with characters like Gyeol Myeongja.😎🥰

As for Ji Sung-Hyun, I think we can go ahead and create his profile and publish it on the main wiki. Since he's already dead, the character he scales to is Dowan (Key: Post-Extraordinary Body). However, I plan to work on his profile after I finish Jenny's.
 
Black_Cat49 said:
Don't worry, I'll definitely help you—especially with characters like Gyeol Myeongja.😎🥰
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W priorities
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Black_Cat49 said:
As for Ji Sung-Hyun, I think we can go ahead and create his profile and publish it on the main wiki. Since he's already dead, the character he scales to is Dowan (Key: Post-Extraordinary Body). However, I plan to work on his profile after I finish Jenny's.
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I'm thinking Ji should qualify for:
Headquarters Level, Bodily Weaponry, Resistance to Pain and Limited Fear.
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
Ji Sung-Hyun
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While I was starting to work on his profile, I noticed that the official English translation uses the name Seonghyeon instead of SungHyun.

So, if we're going to follow the official English translation, should we change his name to Seonghyeon Ji? Or would it be acceptable to use the Korean name order, Ji Seong-Hyeon?

I'm asking because I noticed that some of our profiles don't follow the standard English naming order (given name first, surname last). For example, the profiles for Kim CheongWol and Choi SunJae use the Korean name order instead.
 
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