Reality Quest Discussion Thread

[CatLover313]

Got Sunjae involved in this High 8-C tourney, originally wanted Dowan but his hax were too much for Goro to have a decent win chance so had to add Sunjae who (in cross verse matches) is basically a Dowan w/o all the hax. Just wanted to put this here in case anyone else wants to add other characters to the tourney or help when it’s Sunjae round (though ngl, most of the other tournament characters besides 2-3 might be way too much for Sunjae , hopefully we get a lucky first round matchup)

 

[Mercury009]

Oh that's cool, though I'm not super familiar with that format. How's that supposed to work?

 

[Mercury009]

Reality Quest CRT (Abilities)

Moved/Replaced Abilities: Post-Dragon's Nest Dowan: High-Tier Physiology (Representative level) Rage Power Dowan downscales from (at best scales to) an injured Hosung Kim. Who at full strength downscales from the old reps (the level of strength required to qualify for high-tier physiology). He...

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Since we are updating the physiology page, should we also create a separate technique page? What comes to mind at the current moment is only the Speed Technique, Mind Control and the weird Aikido, but I think it could be expanded on demand as the story progresses (plus we know there are multiple users of each tech, supposedly)

Speed Technique

• Choi Sunjae
• Seehee Shin

Here, you can clearly see it's 2 different levels. Seehee can only use it in short bursts/only for movement, Choi can seemingly mix it with attacks as he has shown multiple times.

Mind Control

• Jihan

Just him for now, maybe we'll see more users in the future

Destruction Aikido (?)

• Seok-Yung
• His grandfather (completely forgot his name, not gonna lie, but the author did state he and Johnatan were big deals in the past)

This one is more straightforward; it's basically Aikido except it disregards physical differences and focuses on flipping people in the air for an easy attack after. Someone can argue that there is still a major aspect to this regarding great bodies as they are "Naturally attuned for Destruction", like it's been implied multiple times, but the techniques Seok uses are entirely independent from what Great Body users actually do (as shown here, where he can use it without actually unlocking the Great Body)

Edit: Yes, I'm aware the correct translation is Extraordinary Body, but that's way too verbose

 

[Pettam33]

Since we are updating the physiology page, should we also create a separate technique page? What comes to mind at the current moment is only the Speed Technique, Mind Control and the weird Aikido, but I think it could be expanded on demand as the story progresses (plus we know there are multiple users of each tech, supposedly)

Speed Technique

• Choi Sunjae
• Seehee Shin

Here, you can clearly see it's 2 different levels. Seehee can only use it in short bursts/only for movement, Choi can seemingly mix it with attacks as he has shown multiple times.

Mind Control

• Jihan

Just him for now, maybe we'll see more users in the future

Destruction Aikido (?)

• Seok-Yung
• His grandfather (completely forgot his name, not gonna lie, but the author did state he and Johnatan were big deals in the past)

This one is more straightforward; it's basically Aikido except it disregards physical differences and focuses on flipping people in the air for an easy attack after. Someone can argue that there is still a major aspect to this regarding great bodies as they are "Naturally attuned for Destruction", like it's been implied multiple times, but the techniques Seok uses are entirely independent from what Great Body users actually do (as shown here, where he can use it without actually unlocking the Great Body)

Edit: Yes, I'm aware the correct translation is Extraordinary Body, but that's way too verbose

Seok-Yung I beleive always had the GB, in fact... I beleive he was actually born with it from the get-go. When he first went to his grandfather, his grandfather scolded him about being born with the families 'physique/ body', but Seok never truly trained to truly utilize it, since he seemed like one of the naturally strong characters in the start of the series (pre-training ofc).

Also, the aikido tech Seok uses in and of itself might not be GB exclusive, however it seems to be a variation of aikido that ignores natural laws of weight class, height, etc...

Sunjae seems to be someone who also has an aikido vairant of his own similar to Seok's ? When he had faught Bujin (through dowan using the earings) Sunjae said 'Things like weight and height don't matter', or something to that effect (Sunjae likely has the GB as well). Rather than the technique being GB exclusive, the technique becomes better since GB users aren't inherently bound to typical limitations when using it.

Their height and weight class effectively becomes a non factor compared to extreme body, or normal humans?

 

[CatLover313]

Oh that's cool, though I'm not super familiar with that format. How's that supposed to work?

The qualifications was that you needed to be one-shot distance (1/8 or 8x) of Goro’s AP (2 tons of tnt) and that the character needs to be able to defeat Goro as well as be able to reliably be defeated by Goro. I tried to advocate for Dowan but his dura neg, booster, Indom will, and LS were too much for Goro to reliably defeat lol, so had to settle for Sunjae. Then once 16 characters are chosen, they’ll be in a bracket with the winner being chosen to fight Goro (feel like this is all a setup for Goro’s dub lol). It’s all fun and games though

 

[Mercury009]

The qualifications was that you needed to be one-shot distance (1/8 or 8x) of Goro’s AP (2 tons of tnt) and that the character needs to be able to defeat Goro as well as be able to reliably be defeated by Goro. I tried to advocate for Dowan but his dura neg, booster, Indom will, and LS were too much for Goro to reliably defeat lol, so had to settle for Sunjae. Then once 16 characters are chosen, they’ll be in a bracket with the winner being chosen to fight Goro (feel like this is all a setup for Goro’s dub lol). It’s all fun and games though

Read some entries... there is a girl with straight up magic, wdym Dowan was too much

 

[CatLover313]

Read some entries... there is a girl with straight up magic, wdym Dowan was too much

Idk man, maybe Goro has something in his arsenal that counters magic girl? I just need the first round matchup for sunjae to be good, all I want is him to reach the second round

 

[DeltaStriker22]

I think sun-jae could get pretty far with 5x speed multiplier (speed technique being comparable to boosters) and subsonic perception.

 

[Mercury009]

Idk man, maybe Goro has something in his arsenal that counters magic girl? I just need the first round matchup for sunjae to be good, all I want is him to reach the second round

Gonna be hard, unless speed tech hard carries, he's pretty much outstated and outhaxed (The class M feat working overtime)

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Don't forget his aura.
Bloodlusted Sun-jae's about to be illusion mogging everyone, trust.

 

[CatLover313]

Maybe we can also get some additional ablities for Sunjae this chapter (not banking on it though). Though right now, the biggest advantages Sunjae has is Class M strength in the 113k tons, killing intent that could stun an opponent for a brief moment (which can help with grabbing), and arguments for his Speed Technique being the same 5x increase as booster (maybe a CRT will be required for this though).

Hopefully we can get a matchup against an opponent like Pirate Robot, Spy, Mag Bandit, or Charles Calvin (depending on the items given to him). Anyone else and it's a wraps guys

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Since we are updating the physiology page, should we also create a separate technique page? What comes to mind at the current moment is only the Speed Technique, Mind Control and the weird Aikido, but I think it could be expanded on demand as the story progresses (plus we know there are multiple users of each tech, supposedly)

Speed Technique

• Choi Sunjae
• Seehee Shin

Here, you can clearly see it's 2 different levels. Seehee can only use it in short bursts/only for movement, Choi can seemingly mix it with attacks as he has shown multiple times.

Mind Control

• Jihan

Just him for now, maybe we'll see more users in the future

Destruction Aikido (?)

• Seok-Yung
• His grandfather (completely forgot his name, not gonna lie, but the author did state he and Johnatan were big deals in the past)

This one is more straightforward; it's basically Aikido except it disregards physical differences and focuses on flipping people in the air for an easy attack after. Someone can argue that there is still a major aspect to this regarding great bodies as they are "Naturally attuned for Destruction", like it's been implied multiple times, but the techniques Seok uses are entirely independent from what Great Body users actually do (as shown here, where he can use it without actually unlocking the Great Body)

Edit: Yes, I'm aware the correct translation is Extraordinary Body, but that's way too verbose

I agree with this.
We can add Seok-Yung to speed technique users as well since we saw him spam it when he was fighting Kang Se-Hoon.
Also, I think it'd be better to change Destruction Aikido to 'Destruction Style' or something.

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Maybe we can also get some additional ablities for Sunjae this chapter (not banking on it though). Though right now, the biggest advantages Sunjae has is Class M strength in the 113k tons, killing intent that could stun an opponent for a brief moment (which can help with grabbing), and arguments for his Speed Technique being the same 5x increase as booster (maybe a CRT will be required for this though).

Hopefully we can get a matchup against an opponent like Pirate Robot, Spy, Mag Bandit, or Charles Calvin (depending on the items given to him). Anyone else and it's a wraps guys

Sun-jae could qualify for pressure points.
Didn't he KO Dowan with a single touch when he was rescuing Ji?

 

[CatLover313]

Sun-jae could qualify for pressure points.
Didn't he KO Dowan with a single touch when he was rescuing Ji?

Maybe? There is a pressure point in the middle of the chest after all, where Sunjae hit Dowan

 

[Mercury009]

I agree with this.
We can add Seok-Yung to speed technique users as well since we saw him spam it when he was fighting Kang Se-Hoon.
Also, I think it'd be better to change Destruction Aikido to 'Destruction Style' or something.

Yeah no Destruction Aikido is just me corny naming it, lets go with anything but that LOL. Though im not 100% sure on him having the speed tech... the effects do look similar, but he doesn't outright blitz the opponent like Sunjae, Dowan (while synched) or Seehee do

 

[CatLover313]

My mind goes back and forth on this but what are our thoughts on giving Dae Bujin 8-C DURABILITY, not AP (and definitely not 8-C AP to Base Dowan either). He did survive I believe at least 15 hits against Sunjae-Synch Dowan and still had enough power to give Base Dowan a struggle.

 

[Mercury009]

My mind goes back and forth on this but what are our thoughts on giving Dae Bujin 8-C DURABILITY, not AP (and definitely not 8-C AP to Base Dowan either). He did survive I believe at least 15 hits against Sunjae-Synch Dowan and still had enough power to give Base Dowan a struggle.

I honestly wouldn't mind it but since Bujin has been stated to be comparable to Gong (in one chapter it's said they basically had a stalemate, I can probably find the scan tomorrow), wouldn't that upscale Gong as well as critical hits AP/Indomitable Will Dowan?

Specifically saying those because he required both to do heavy damage to Gongcheol while he was otherwise largely immune to basically everything else Dowan threw at him.

 

[CatLover313]

I honestly wouldn't mind it but since Bujin has been stated to be comparable to Gong (in one chapter it's said they basically had a stalemate, I can probably find the scan tomorrow), wouldn't that upscale Gong as well as critical hits AP/Indomitable Will Dowan?

Specifically saying those because he required both to do heavy damage to Gongcheol while he was otherwise largely immune to basically everything else Dowan threw at him.

Since we didn't see the Gongcheol vs Bujin fight, the statement was said by 3rd person (blue hair) who doesn't have the highest reliability.... Though wasn't it implied that Gongcheol didn't get serious either? I wouldn't be against putting a "Possibly 8-C" for Gongcheol's durability, nothing more though. The durability of Great Body's seem to be very impressive compared to their AP and Dowan couldn't put a dent against either of two until Sunjae-Synch Dowan hit Bujin a ton of times and Dowan went indomitable will mode.

Edit: Now that I'm thinking about it, keeping Bujin's AP at 9-A and his Durability at 8-C doesn't really infer anything about Gongcheol's durability. Since we know they fought but unless Gong cheol himself won the fight, it doesn't say anything about Gongcheol's durability itself. So for now, I rather stick with 8-C Durability for Bujin

 

[Pettam33]

Yeah no Destruction Aikido is just me corny naming it, lets go with anything but that LOL. Though im not 100% sure on him having the speed tech... the effects do look similar, but he doesn't outright blitz the opponent like Sunjae, Dowan (while synched) or Seehee do

How about, 'jeonmyeol: Aikido', a variation of Aikdo for GB users... Instead of using destruction, I used 'annihalation'/ jeonmyeol - A korean translation of the word, I actually think it sounds much cooler, and more fitting. We could prolly put that on their profiles instead.

 

[Pettam33]

Since we didn't see the Gongcheol vs Bujin fight, the statement was said by 3rd person (blue hair) who doesn't have the highest reliability.... Though wasn't it implied that Gongcheol didn't get serious either? I wouldn't be against putting a "Possibly 8-C" for Gongcheol's durability, nothing more though. The durability of Great Body's seem to be very impressive compared to their AP and Dowan couldn't put a dent against either of two until Sunjae-Synch Dowan hit Bujin a ton of times and Dowan went indomitable will mode.

Edit: Now that I'm thinking about it, keeping Bujin's AP at 9-A and his Durability at 8-C doesn't really infer anything about Gongcheol's durability. Since we know they fought but unless Gong cheol himself won the fight, it doesn't say anything about Gongcheol's durability itself. So for now, I rather stick with 8-C Durability for Bujin

How about we use the story itself as a measure of their strength...?

I mean, XXX was established as the weakest, and Dowan starts with him. Then comes Bujin - Who, realistically, feels like the point where Dowan should’ve hit a wall...

After that, we get Gongcheol. Bujin fights with raw strength and endurance, but Gongcheol takes that same foundation, and adds speed on top of it, making him a far more of a 'complete' threat. In fact... I believe Even Dowan admits that Gongcheol, (full power), was several/ many times stronger than himself (When Gong went full power, dowan couldn't do anything either in any metric.)

You can kind of see it in how the fight played out. Dowan couldn’t properly damage him at first, and struggles far more than he did against the previous two... (Also, Bujin went all out from the get-go unlike gong, he tells us this he isn't as careless as XXX is). So I think it's probably ok to give gong the same level of durability of bujin, if not he has higher levels of endurance.

And then there’s Shin. Based on how the others react to his death. XXX, Bujin, and Gongcheol all showing clear fear - The story tells us he was the strongest of them all (The admin gave Dowan the GB to handle him, AND upcoming threats).

 

[CatLover313]

How about we use the story itself as a measure of their strength...?

I mean, XXX was established as the weakest, and Dowan starts with him. Then comes Bujin - Who, realistically, feels like the point where Dowan should’ve hit a wall...

After that, we get Gongcheol. Bujin fights with raw strength and endurance, but Gongcheol takes that same foundation, and adds speed on top of it, making him a far more of a 'complete' threat. In fact... I believe Even Dowan admits that Gongcheol, (full power), was several/ many times stronger than himself (When Gong went full power, dowan couldn't do anything either in any metric.)

You can kind of see it in how the fight played out. Dowan couldn’t properly damage him at first, and struggles far more than he did against the previous two... (Also, Bujin went all out from the get-go unlike gong, he tells us this he isn't as careless as XXX is). So I think it's probably ok to give gong the same level of durability of bujin, if not he has higher levels of endurance.

And then there’s Shin. Based on how the others react to his death. XXX, Bujin, and Gongcheol all showing clear fear - The story tells us he was the strongest of them all (The admin gave Dowan the GB to handle him, AND upcoming threats).

I doubt that kind of “narrative intent” would be accepted as reasoning on here. Usually I’ve only seen feats/statements (and then outside material statements) be used as reasoning. Additionally, it’s also not always true (for other series and sometimes this one too). I wouldn’t say Team Bleach as a group is stronger than any of the Ex Reps (except maybe XXX), AM dowan in the training tower > XXX, and I’ve seen some takes (it’s actually a hot take of mine too) of Hoseong > XXX. Nothing personal against XXX.

Though I also have Gongcheol above Bujin because of the speed factor, feel like it’s hard to actually justify giving him 8-C durability unlike Bujin who actually has a multiple scenes of him taking hits from Sunjae-Synch Dowan.

Shin actually has a statement from the system basically putting him above the ex reps. So he didn’t really need any “narrative” reasoning of being the last opponent anyway. Too bad he’s dead

 

[Pettam33]

I doubt that kind of “narrative intent” would be accepted as reasoning on here. Usually I’ve only seen feats/statements (and then outside material statements) be used as reasoning.

True, I this is vsbw, feats over statements. The thing i would give gong without much questoon is likely his level of endurance. When he fought XXX initially, and got clawed, he took a burning wood or iron to cauterize the wound, which was metal as HELL, bro just walked it off, and kept smiling like it did nothing . Even though I agree with bujin having the higher durability, Gongcheol's endurance seems to be higher imo, based off what I see at least.

Additionally, it’s also not always true (for other series and sometimes this one too). I wouldn’t say Team Bleach as a group is stronger than any of the Ex Reps (except maybe XXX), AM dowan in the training tower > XXX, and I’ve seen some takes (it’s actually a hot take of mine too) of Hoseong > XXX. Nothing personal against XXX.

Uhmm... I Don't think bleach was stated to be Ex rep level, rather, they were just much higher than a 'normal representative'? Specifically when the band together through the power of... well... friendship... (correct me if I'm wrong on that, but i doubt it).

Though I also have Gongcheol above Bujin because of the speed factor, feel like it’s hard to actually justify giving him 8-C durability unlike Bujin who actually has a multiple scenes of him taking hits from Sunjae-Synch Dowan.

The problem with sunjae dowan scaling is that we have no idea how much strength dowan used agaisnt Bujin in sunjae mode, what's worse is that dowan after running out of that mode could actually damage bujin and win. Also, I should be a bit more specifc though, dowan could damage bujin, its just that bujin was just eating most of it until sunjae dowan wittled him down to dowans level...

Tid - Bit: Personally, I don't really see Bujin out-stattinng gong, like maybe he has higher LS? But, I doubt he has higher AP than gong, and gong was more portrayed to be a endurance monster than bujin.

Shin actually has a statement from the system basically putting him above the ex reps. So he didn’t really need any “narrative” reasoning of being the last opponent anyway. Too bad he’s dead

Damn, looks like I forgot that one. But, it makes sense since the dude that much of a threat, and makes ji even worse, since ji offscreened Shin to oblivion lol. Srill, it's kind of crazy how much the ex reps got cliffed. In the latest chapter, we see dowan one tapping XXX with a random punch lol post GB .

 

[CatLover313]

The problem with sunjae dowan scaling is that we have no idea how much strength dowan used agaisnt Bujin in sunjae mode, what's worse is that dowan after running out of that mode could actually damage bujin and win. Also, I should be a bit more specifc though, dowan could damage bujin, its just that bujin was just eating most of it until sunjae dowan wittled him down to dowans level...

Yeah, that’s one of the bigger reasons why I change my mind constantly on Bujin durability scaling or not as sunjae-Dowan definitely hits harder as even Dowans active skill didn’t do any damage to Bujin yet when he started synching, he started actually making Bujin scared but that might not be “enough” for 8-C durability scaling. Just wanted to know what others thought and if it’s “viable” enough

 

[Pettam33]

Yeah, that’s one of the bigger reasons why I change my mind constantly on Bujin durability scaling or not as sunjae-Dowan definitely hits harder as even Dowans active skill didn’t do any damage to Bujin yet when he started synching, he started actually making Bujin scared but that might not be “enough” for 8-C durability scaling. Just wanted to know what others thought and if it’s “viable” enough

Alright, I think bujin and gong, and Shin (especially Shin) should qualify for the rating. I don't see XXX having 8C dura, but he does have insane endurance, I can give him that.

 

[Mercury009]

I wouldn’t say Team Bleach as a group is stronger than any of the Ex Reps (except maybe XXX), AM dowan in the training tower > XXX, and I’ve seen some takes (it’s actually a hot take of mine too) of Hoseong > XXX. Nothing personal against XXX.

(Cant even say anything, he's kinda the fraud of the trio)

 

[Viott]

Dowan > Tokyo Revengers

 

[Mercury009]

Let's not mention the forbidden verse, I've already seen a war brewing with them and the Lookism fans

 

[Mercury009]

Unrelated: Currently, a couple of accepted calcs are missing from the verse page, though I'm not entirely sure how to add them. It's this one (CatLover's calc, 166 m/s, used pretty much everywhere for scaling purposes), and this one (Pettam's calc, can be argued to give Subsonic travel speed to every high tier and beyond). Is it possible to add them without a CRT since they don't change the verse scaling and all?

 

[Viott]

Let's not mention the forbidden verse,

Not anymore.

 

[Viott]

Unrelated: Currently, a couple of accepted calcs are missing from the verse page, though I'm not entirely sure how to add them. It's this one (CatLover's calc, 166 m/s, used pretty much everywhere for scaling purposes), and this one (Pettam's calc, can be argued to give Subsonic travel speed to every high tier and beyond). Is it possible to add them without a CRT since they don't change the verse scaling and all?

If these are just supporting calculations, they can be added without opening a CRT.

 

[Mercury009]

I've added them. My OCD was compulsively telling me to fix the listing of the feats, too tho, though. Why do you guys think the AP feats are properly listed while the speed feats/LS feats are there? Don't they follow the same formatting?

 

[Mercury009]

Maybe? There is a pressure point in the middle of the chest after all, where Sunjae hit Dowan

Is there "Pressure points" resistance or similar? Pretty sure Sunjae just got it lol

 

[CatLover313]

Is there "Pressure points" resistance or similar? Pretty sure Sunjae just got it lol

Probably Limited Pressure Points Resistance because there is more than one way to attack pressure points, additionally, it was only one pressure point that Cheongwol really attacked and Sunjae showed no issue resisting. Maybe if it were more points resisted, I'd say it could be full resistance.

 

[CatLover313]

Not anymore.

As someone who follows the RVR, it might get banned again....

 

[Viott]

As someone who follows the RVR, it might get banned again....

Yes, a few staff members agree with this.


It will definitely be banned again.

 

[Mercury009]

RVR?

 

[DeltaStriker22]

RVR?

Rule Violation Reports

 

[CatLover313]

Got Sunjae involved in this High 8-C tourney, originally wanted Dowan but his hax were too much for Goro to have a decent win chance so had to add Sunjae who (in cross verse matches) is basically a Dowan w/o all the hax. Just wanted to put this here in case anyone else wants to add other characters to the tourney or help when it’s Sunjae round (though ngl, most of the other tournament characters besides 2-3 might be way too much for Sunjae , hopefully we get a lucky first round matchup)

The bracket was released for the first round and it’s this: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...ckets_1.pdf/revision/latest?cb=20260419134655

First round against Ghazghu. Seems to be baseline high 8-C (2 tons of tnt) with Class 100 LS. Biggest issues seem to be durability negation, larger size, hard to kill, and longer range.

Sunjae does have ANPR and Fear inducement which Ghazghu didn’t have a resistance against, along with a severe LS advantage, and possibly a speed boost with speed technique (?).

Ig we/Ill try to argue the best I can for a reasonable win chance

 

[Viott]

The bracket was released for the first round and it’s this: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...ckets_1.pdf/revision/latest?cb=20260419134655

First round against Ghazghu. Seems to be baseline high 8-C (2 tons of tnt) with Class 100 LS. Biggest issues seem to be durability negation, larger size, hard to kill, and longer range.

Sunjae does have ANPR and Fear inducement which Ghazghu didn’t have a resistance against, along with a severe LS advantage, and possibly a speed boost with speed technique (?).

Ig we/Ill try to argue the best I can for a reasonable win chance

If Daniel Park were at High 8-C level, I would include him in the tournament.

 

[Mercury009]

The bracket was released for the first round and it’s this: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...ckets_1.pdf/revision/latest?cb=20260419134655

First round against Ghazghu. Seems to be baseline high 8-C (2 tons of tnt) with Class 100 LS. Biggest issues seem to be durability negation, larger size, hard to kill, and longer range.

Sunjae does have ANPR and Fear inducement which Ghazghu didn’t have a resistance against, along with a severe LS advantage, and possibly a speed boost with speed technique (?).

Ig we/Ill try to argue the best I can for a reasonable win chance

Oh God, an Orc from WH off rip? IT'S CHOPPED