Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

[SatellaTheWoE]

Should mimi get a profile? then we did have to add tivey and hetaro as well otherwise she doesn't get to display her full capacity, she is also pretty irrelevant for most of the story and her abilities would overlap massively from Ricardo

 

[VortechsTG]

she is also pretty irrelevant for most of the story and her abilities would overlap massively from Ricardo

??????

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

??????

when compared to people like chisha she isn't that important is she?

Ricardo has the sound manip + normal flow stuff which is basically what mimi will get. However, she needs her siblings to pull off a voice magic attack on par with ricardo

 

[Crimsonobu]

when compared to people like chisha she isn't that important is she?

Ricardo has the sound manip + normal flow stuff which is basically what mimi will get. However, she needs her siblings to pull off a voice magic attack on par with ricardo

Mimi can use 4 elements as well as healing. Her magic is enough to one shot Elsa in Mimi IF (from LIM). She has divine Protection, barrier abilities that are pretty good, and etc.

She's pretty gifted in magic, her strong point isn't physical but she can react and harm the likes of Elsa in cqc

 

[Crimsonobu]

Ricardo and Elsa were going toe to toe he asks Mimi to use magic. Mimi with one spell destroys Elsa and they think they win but they didn't know her regen iirc.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Mimi can use 4 elements as well as healing. Her magic is enough to one shot Elsa in Mimi IF (from LIM). She has divine Protection, barrier abilities that are pretty good, and etc.

She's pretty gifted in magic, her strong point isn't physical but she can react and harm the likes of Elsa in cqc

hold on this is wild, the divine protection of the triplets is something i know, the dp is similar to corleonis but 4 elements?

 

[Zabazab]

I don't know what you're asking. The Divine Protection of Trisection lets the Pearlbatons split the damage and burdens they experience between the three of them.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I don't know what you're asking. The Divine Protection of Trisection lets the Pearlbatons split the damage and burdens they experience between the three of them.

which is similar to what cor leonis does

What 4 elements does mimi manipulate besides healing

 

[Zabazab]

which is similar to what cor leonis does

Trisection actually splits the damage, so a cut would shrink to ⅓ the size with Trisection while Cor Leonis would just remove the pain and fatigue. Although someone dying under Cor Leonis just gets disconnected while someone dying under Trisection just kills all three triplets.

What 4 elements does mimi manipulate besides healing

I presume the four basic ones, Fire Water Wind Earth. Mimi's affinity is actually Earth.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Mimi is stated to be faster than zombie Kurgan in the WN too. Don't remember if it's in the LN

 

[Zabazab]

Mimi is stated to be faster than zombie Kurgan in the WN too. Don't remember if it's in the LN

WN, Arc 5 Chapter 31

Upon glancing back, he saw Mimi, adept in maneuvering herself against large enemies, successfully ducking under the strike of one of the large swords and firing back magic—— She was about to exit the square.

Mimi seemed like she was going to be able to escape safely. The giant did not have the speed to match Mimi as she ran away, and the woman did have the ability to fight Garfiel.

LN, Volume 17 Chapter 4 Section 5

To his right, Mimi ran circles around her huge opponent and slipped under his massive greatswords, waving her staff to conduct a magic attack. When a blue explosion rocked her opponent and put him on the back foot, it seemed like that was a good a time as any for them to evacuate from the square.

The huge, tottering man wouldn't be able to catch Mimi. It shouldn't be difficult for her to escape unscathed.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I do love losing notifications on threads I following, I lost a while interessing conv you guys are having

 

[Zabazab]

Arc 10 Chapter 15
We got even more info this time:

• Roswaal or Echidna could adapt their spellcasting to ignore EMT's effects.
• EMT doesn't negate the Flow Method. Tiga used this as a basis to try and get around EMT by casting magic inside his body and letting it erupt out of him, which worked.
• Crusch's Dragon Eye lets her perceive Deadspots, just like Halibel, which she used to erase the flames with a swing of her hand.

Fun stuff. Naturally there's the massive status quo shifts happening, but that's obvious lol

 

[VortechsTG]

Crusch's Dragon Eye lets her perceive Deadspots, just like Halibel, which she used to erase the flames with a swing of her hand.

 

[MrTayman616]

Now we need to add deadspot as a weakness to every character and ability in the series.

Someone might randomly hit it after all :d

 

[VortechsTG]

I presume the four basic ones, Fire Water Wind Earth. Mimi's affinity is actually Earth.

See, this is all well and good but has Mimi actually ever used earth magic. I know it's her affinity and the QnA's suggest she can use it but all of the triplets just use the same magic techniques, presumably the ones Roshi knew well enough to teach. Even if it's her affinity, if she hasn't practiced Earth magic she likely won't be able to use it at a combat applicable level. I don't really think it should be indexed unless she has used it before and I'm just not aware of it.

 

[Zabazab]

Someone might randomly hit it after all :d

Critical Hit System

I recall in arc 8 chapter 70, Halibel using deadspot on Valgren was (accidentally?) translated as making "death holes" in its wings. Still, I hope deadspots get elaborated on further this arc.

Also, a LQMTL for Julius vs Halibel in Kararagi Shinigami Incident 6 makes the fight sound painfully one-sided. To the point where Julius hasn't even hit Halibel once, and Halibel has to try to hold back so as to not accidentally kill Julius.

if she hasn't practiced Earth magic she likely won't be able to use it at a combat applicable level

This happened to Garf as I recall. His affinity is earth but used up all his magic talent on healing, so now he's unable to develop earth magic skills. Funny that he's a better healer than Rem, who actually has a water affinity.

 

[VortechsTG]

Also, a LQMTL for Julius vs Halibel in Kararagi Shinigami Incident 6 makes the fight sound painfully one-sided. To the point where Julius hasn't even hit Halibel once, and Halibel has to try to hold back so as to not accidentally kill Julius.

See this is why it doesn't make sense to me

This happened to Garf as I recall. His affinity is earth but used up all his magic talent on healing, so now he's unable to develop earth magic skills. Funny that he's a better healer than Rem, who actually has a water affinity.

I didn't interpret this as being about his natural affinity. Just that he could have learned earth magic. But it gets the point across. You generally need to train in a particular branch of magic to be able to use it.

 

[Zabazab]

See this is why it doesn't make sense to me

He's the Good Loser he grows from defeat. But doing this while Juli is buffed and Halibel was nerfed is just nasty...

Calling the names of his Spirits of Yang and Yin, Julius’s resolve hardened in the empty air. If his options were dwindling, he would simply put his faith in the possibilities that remained. He cast a Yang spell to vitalize himself and a Yin spell to place a burden on his foe. Furthermore—

"Kua!"

Tucking his knees and twisting his body, Julius kicked off a platform that shouldn't have been there— a block of ice created by his Water Spirit. By kicking it, he caught the opponent (who expected him to be stranded in the air) off guard, accelerating and diving back to the ground in a single burst.

He unleashed a flash of steel aimed at the figure emerging from the earth. He targeted the shoulder, intending to crush the bone and disable the arm to sap the opponent's fighting strength. Once again, the sensation of impact vanished.

Julius landed, his grip tightening on his beloved sword. He had been certain he caught him. A quiet sigh of admiration mixed with disappointment escaped his lips.

"Once again, my reading was shallow..."

"Nah, I reckon that was pretty grand. It was only a mock battle, but I almost got serious there for a sec and nearly wiped ya out by mistake."

The opponent, who had placed a hand-sword against the back of Julius's neck, laughed off Julius's "immaturity" with soft praise. This was Halibel, the "Admirer"— a wolfman shinobi of the Kararagi City-States and a living legend counted among the strongest on the planet.

Clearly, the peak was still far away. Though he felt the sting of defeat, Julius gracefully accepted it and sheathed his sword.

 

[MrTayman616]

He's the Good Loser he grows from defeat.

Arc 6 growth right there.

 

[VortechsTG]

He's the Good Loser he grows from defeat. But doing this while Juli is buffed and Halibel was nerfed is just nasty...

I think at this point the only reasonable explanation is that Halibel would effortlessly stomp ex 4 Cecilus the same way and even now would probably beat him. And he was also lowkey just playing around with Eugard. Wrath if is just completely and totally unreliable in claiming that Cecilus was stronger from day 1 of joining the pleiades organization.

 

[Zabazab]

I do think Cecilus and Halibel were originally conceived as Theresia/Wilhelm level characters, a step below the Four Greats and the like, but at this point they're clearly in a higher class.

Even Tanpenshuu 13 edited Reinhard saying he's confident he can handle Vollachia as he fought against their most skilled, to instead have him glaze Cecilus. But it did also confirm Cecilus lied when he told Arakiya that the fight in Lugunica was a draw lol

MTL:
"Cecilus?"

"He's a direct subordinate of His Majesty the Emperor, and the greatest swordsman in the Empire. He's a truly skilled warrior, and I was even able to draw the Dragon Sword against him once."

"You say that so casually, but that's an incredible story."

Reinhard's Dragon Sword is famous for being a unique sword that, while supposedly able to be drawn when needed, has never actually been seen drawn. Apparently, the opponent must be incredibly powerful for it to be drawn, but Felt didn't believe that.

The fact that it was ever drawn would be a major event for the Kingdom.

"So, you won that time, right?"

"Yes. There were several close calls, though."

"If he's being protected by someone who can make you say that much, then it certainly doesn't seem like it'd be easy to take down the Emperor of Vollachia."

Raw:
「セシルス？」

「皇帝陛下の直属の部下で、帝国一の剣士です。確かな実力者で、以前、僕も『龍(りゆう)剣(けん)』を抜かされたことがあるんですよ」

「さらっと言ってっけど、とんでもねー話じゃねーか」

ラインハルトの『龍剣』と言えば、必要なときに抜けるとか言いながら、抜けたところを一度も見たことがないで有名なへそ曲がり剣だ。一応、抜けるにはそれだけ相手が強大である、という条件があるらしいが、フェルトは信じていなかった。

それが抜けた機会があったというのは、王国的にもかなりの一大事だろう。

「で、そんときは勝ったんだろーな？」

「はい。危うい局面は何度もありましたが」

「お前にそこまで言わせるようなヤツに守られてんなら、確かにヴォラキアの皇帝をスパッとやるのは簡単な話じゃなさそーだ」

 

[VortechsTG]

I do think Cecilus and Halibel were originally conceived as Theresia/Wilhelm level characters, a step below the Four Greats and the like, but at this point they're clearly in a higher class.

I don't even think it's really a retcon. The only retcons are Cecilus from Wrath if to ex 4 and the addition of deadspots. Aside from that, Halibel seems to be about the same and Cecilus has simply grown stronger.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I don't even think it's really a retcon. The only retcons are Cecilus from Wrath if to ex 4 and the addition of deadspots. Aside from that, Halibel seems to be about the same and Cecilus has simply grown stronger.

before arc 7/8, where would you have put halibel/cecilus in comparison to the other cast?

 

[Zabazab]

I think that both are more or less the same as eachother, and that they're both far stronger than anyone in the present world not named Reinhard or Satella. And even then I think they can make Reinhard break a sweat.

With a backwards glance towards the undead Blight Dragon fading into the sky, its existence severed, Cecilus and Halibel could be seen and heard descending to the ground while pressingly exchanging words, having just killed the Dragon in a literal flash.

As the unmistakable apexes of the world, the two were equally transcendent beings; however, the fact that they could not defy the laws of physics and remain in the sky provided a certain sort of satisfaction―

 

[VortechsTG]

before arc 7/8, where would you have put halibel/cecilus in comparison to the other cast?

Well Cecilus in ex 4 at least was pretty blatantly around Wilhelm's level. Like, maybe instead of being equals (aside from their weapons) anymore he was stronger, but it can't be by an incredible amount. Halibel is halibel. I've said my piece. Aside from deadspots not originally existing and maybe his secondary clones he seems about the same as he always has been.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Well Cecilus in ex 4 at least was pretty blatantly around Wilhelm's level. Like, maybe instead of being equals (aside from their weapons) anymore he was stronger, but it can't be by an incredible amount. Halibel is halibel. I've said my piece. Aside from deadspots not originally existing and maybe his secondary clones he seems about the same as he always has been.

did you originally think halibel>cecilus then?

 

[VortechsTG]

did you originally think halibel>cecilus then?

Cecilus literally admitted Halibel was originally stronger than him

 

[Zabazab]

Halibel is still stronger

 

[VortechsTG]

Perhaps so

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

we should make a halibel vs cecilus, Clind vs Roswaal, shaula vs balleroy and Marcos vs Mezoreia matchup

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

we should make a halibel vs cecilus, Clind vs Roswaal, shaula vs balleroy and Marcos vs Mezoreia matchup

With what profile

We still need to make a Madelyn profile, also Arakiya doesn't have a profile yet either, though I have both in my sandbox, would have to look into their stats in particular before posting.

Yorna from memory also needed her durability fixed? Re Zero is just too massive, discourages me from doing anything despite being my fav LN, heck for accuracy Subaru and Cecilus probably should have child keys too, but eh.

 

[VortechsTG]

Clind vs Roswaal and Marcos vs Mezoreia

 

[Gigi_4_life]

Stated to be on Reinhard's level multiple times, Reinhard himself (while wielding Reid) stating he had several close calls when fighting Cecilus, Cecilus as a child just by wielding a weapon surpassing a Great Spirit (Muspel), he's stated to be equal in skill to Reinhard, Tappei also stated that Clind (dragon kin form and with Melancholy) stands no chance of defeating Cecilus and of course Cecilus being faster than Reinhard.

Meanwhile Halibel... don't really need to explain why he scales to Cecilus, but he has been repeatedly compared to Cecilus and even once fought him to a stalemate, is significantly stronger than the likes of Julius, etc...

I think it's fairly clear that Halibel and Cecilus, like Zab said, are significantly above anyone in the present not named Reinhard and Satella (Vague too I guess), they're most definitely among the top 10 strongest characters of the series, there's just no denying it at this point.

 

[VortechsTG]

Top 10 in the modern day*

Strongest in the modern day except for Reinhard and Satella and Puck and Clind and Volcanica's empty corpse and Ram sometimes*

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Top 10 in the modern day*

Strongest in the modern day except for Reinhard and Satella and Puck and Clind and Volcanica's empty corpse and Ram sometimes*

puck, clind and volc's empty shell get slammed by Cecilus and Halibel ngl

Oni God Ram too since she doesn't have any good feats to compare to them

 

[VortechsTG]

puck, clind and volc's empty shell get slammed by Cecilus and Halibel ngl

Oni God Ram too since she doesn't have any good feats to compare to them

Rage bait

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Rage bait

Gojo gets slashed for the second time [Gojo vs Priscilla] [8-2-0] GRACE

The Bloody Bride, Priscilla Barielle: @MasterOwOgay @BoastJr @Doggo @CastoriceTheFifth @Crimsonobu @Fezzih_007 @Thunderman101 @LaserPrecision vs The one honored, Gojo Satoru: @S33rz @Anonymous_Learner Speed Equal starting distance is 20m fight takes place in this 800mx500m arena rest is sba

vsbattles.com

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Rage bait

fiend sword is hard carrying ngl

 

[Gigi_4_life]

Top 10 in the modern day*

Strongest in the modern day except for Reinhard and Satella and Puck and Clind and Volcanica's empty corpse and Ram sometimes*

Q: If Clind had compression and had his horn out, could he win against Cecilus? And if so, is it safe to say he is the second strongest after Reinhard?︀︀︀︀

A: He can't win.