Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

[CastoriceTheFifth]

HAVE FUN BROSKIES

Garou vs Reinhard (15-5-1)

Hopefully not a mistake. Post-Sage Centipede Garou is being used (High 6-A+) Both 20 meters away from each other. Speed Equal. Both have a certain amount of prior knowledge (They both know the opponent is a "very skilled martial artist" but nothing more related to it + Garou knows Reinhard...

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[Emils_tempest]

Hello, I'm new here, and I hope I can help you. First of all, I would like to know if there is a specific website to use to obtain official or more reliable translations?
Also, Zabazab wants to give acausality type 4 or 5 for Regulus, claiming that the laws of the world of Re:Zero include fate and causality. Shouldn't this mean manipulation of causality and manipulation of fate for all Authority-users, since they manipulate the laws and concepts of the world of Re:Zero? I have other things to say/ask, but I'll start with that (sorry for my bad english).

 

[Zabazab]

if there is a specific website to use to obtain official or more reliable translations?

Witch Cult Translations - Re:Zero Web Novel Translations!

witchculttranslation.com

Shouldn't this mean manipulation of causality and manipulation of fate for all Authority-users, since they manipulate the laws and concepts of the world of Re:Zero?

No, since which laws they're rewriting would depend on their Authority's effect. Minerva's Wrath interferes with causality, Rye's Gluttony interferes with Names inscribed into Od Lagna.

I have other things to say/ask

Feel free

 

[Trxyway]

HAVE FUN BROSKIES

Garou vs Reinhard (15-5-1)

Hopefully not a mistake. Post-Sage Centipede Garou is being used (High 6-A+) Both 20 meters away from each other. Speed Equal. Both have a certain amount of prior knowledge (They both know the opponent is a "very skilled martial artist" but nothing more related to it + Garou knows Reinhard...

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We did not have fun, **** you /j

 

[Emils_tempest]

": Magic, it is a miraculous discipline with the hidden potential to make anything one imagines into re-ality"
Arc 9 chapter 14 magic=subjective reality

"Magic, was a technique that reflected one's will into reality, defying the laws of nature by means of in cantation. A sophisticated, delicate act of barbarism tantamount to forcibly rewriting a script, altering the ending" arc 9 chapter 12 magic=subjective reality + law manip
I don't know if there is already a discussion about this, so if there is, I apologize

 

[Crimsonobu]

": Magic, it is a miraculous discipline with the hidden potential to make anything one imagines into re-ality"
Arc 9 chapter 14 magic=subjective reality

"Magic, was a technique that reflected one's will into reality, defying the laws of nature by means of in cantation. A sophisticated, delicate act of barbarism tantamount to forcibly rewriting a script, altering the ending" arc 9 chapter 12 magic=subjective reality + law manip
I don't know if there is already a discussion about this, so if there is, I apologize

I have thought about making a blog already but just collecting scans and they are here but yes its been discussed

Spoiler: Arc 9 phase 2 & 3 spoilers included

Magic is the process of imposing one’s will on reality by manipulating mana to override natural laws[36]. It requires a precise incantation as a formal declaration of intent, sufficient mana, and stable activation. Any flaw—such as weak mana, improper formulation, or poor control—can cause failure or unintended effects[36].

Magic is essentially the deliberate rewriting of reality, where the caster’s will clashes with the world’s resistance[37]. This manipulation of reality’s laws is shown by spells that alter physical properties, like removing the natural mass of an object so it behaves contrary to the natural world’s laws[38].

Depending on the user's imagination and practical utility of magic, and powered by mana and it's possibilities are infinite. With an extreme amount of mana magic can be used to make almost anything possible[39]. In theory, magic has no fixed limit; even the impossible becomes achievable and can fulfill one's wishes[40]. Magic will continuously develop due to humanity desire and Greed, it's a discipline to make anything one imagines into reality[41].

 

[Emils_tempest]

@Crimsonobu Can alternative versions/if routes be used for scaling? and is there a discussion about echidna's dream world?
because in the prologue of volume 41 (I think) it is stated to have stars and in the greed if the dream World is stated infinite

 

[Zabazab]

It's interesting that Volcanica supposedly has good regen. We've literally never seen regeneration from a Dragon.

• Regeneration (The Divine Dragon's mana-body possesses astounding regeneration which cannot be surpassed without first[4] stripping it of both its physical and magical armours, and targeting the weak point of its Heartstone)

 

[Zabazab]

Alter's P&A

Spoiler: Arc 9 Spoilers

• Superhuman Physical Characteristics
• Blessed (The right to transform the shape of the world, to append unto reality any conclusion in accordance to what it deigned, to force its showing upon the stage,[1] was unmistakenly bestowed upon the Divine Dragon by the Od Lagna)
• Inorganic Physiology (Type 1; Dragons are beings which are made of mana, not unlike Spirits[2])
• Longevity (Dragons have a much longer lifespan than a human[3])
• Bodily Weaponry (The Divine Dragon's talons, fangs, and scales are all artefacts considered as sacred treasures of nature.[1] Alter's dragonscales are impervious to any physical attacks, granting overwhelming physical defense[4])
• Regeneration (The Divine Dragon's mana-body possesses astounding regeneration which cannot be surpassed without first[4] stripping it of both its physical and magical armours, and targeting the weak point of its Heartstone)
• Flight (The Divine Dragon can fly using not its wings, but a mysterious power,[5] only using its wings to aid steering)
• Breath Attack & Energy Projection (His dragonbreath is a pure torrent of mana, destroying anything it makes contact with,[6] charged with such vigor that it can easily tear apart the realm of reality[4])
• Large Size (Type 1; The Divine Dragon is over 15 meters tall even while laying down,[7] and it completely dwarfed Valgren. It may be bigger than Fargall, who was over 30 meters in size[8])
• Sound Manipulation ("Aldebaran", with a powerful click of his tongue, created an explosion that ruptured the eardrums and semi-circular canals of his opponent.[1] With a roar he unleashed a mighty voice which quakes the earth and rends the sky, ravaging aught in its path, sundering and rupturing the bodies of his victims[4])
• Aura (The Divine Dragon's glare is so overpowering that it makes one feel as if their skin is being charred.[9] His presence is so fearsome and mystical that many would prostrate themselves upon merely laying eyes on him.[10] "Aldebaran's" draconic aura dyed the entire Royal Capital the hue of the Divine Dragon.[1] His draconic pressure compels aught to surrender, and his battle in the Capital caused all organic and inorganic beings there to shudder[1])
• Holy Manipulation & Restoration (As the Divine Dragon, its blood is said to grant abundance to lands withered and barren, rejuvenate all destruction that has been wrought, heal the most incurable illnesses in an instant, and become a light to wash away indelible despair[11])
• Enhanced Senses (Dragonhusks are able to see mana[2])
• Extrasensory Perception (He is able to sense the strength of his opponents.[6] Despite flying so high that he was above the clouds, he sensed that Felt's life was in danger and instantly dived to the earth to save her[10])
• Magic (The Dragon's great mana allows "Aldebaran" to fully utilize his extensive magical knowledge[6])
• Mana Manipulation (Al Shario utilizes the principle of mana being attracted to mana of the same type in order to[6] bring a star crashing down to earth)
• Ice Manipulation (He can use walls of ice to seal a large airtight space.[6] "Aldebaran" has the power to rapidly cool moisture and flash-freeze large groups of people[12])
• Light Manipulation (He can manipulate the refraction of light in order to conceal objects[6])
• Water Manipulation (He can manipulate fog and water.[6] He can convert his mana-breath into a thick mist of fresh water[12])
• Explosion Manipulation (He can cause explosive decompression of a sealed space with a steam explosion.[6] By kneading together flame and water in his maw, "Aldebaran" can concentrate an enormous buildup of heat and water seeking release, unleashing a wave of heat to scorch away aught that had been birthed, and a wave of shock to rend away what was the very world[4])
• Fire Manipulation (With Al Goa, he created a sea of flames so great that the Sand Sea was turned to glass,[6] and the oxygen in the surroundings was burned away[6])
• Weather Manipulation (He can create thunderclouds using Fire Magic and Water Magic[6])
• Electricity Manipulation (He can use Wind Magic and Earth Magic to apply an electrical charge to objects, turning them into a lightning rod[6])
• Magnetism Manipulation (He can magnetize an object, and use magnetism to attack with magnetic objects such as magnetite-rich sand[6])
• Gravity Manipulation (With Al Karum, he can create a field where gravity is greatly multiplied, to the point that even "Aldebaran" himself is crushed under his own weight[6])
• Black Hole Creation (After evolving Al Karum to the next level, he created a destructive singularity of mass which warped space[6])
• Healing (Using his massive mana pool, "Aldebaran" can cast powerful healing spells of Water Magic[13])
• Statistics Amplification (Using his massive mana pool, "Aldebaran" can cast powerful buffs of Yang Magic[13])
• Air Manipulation (Using Wind Magic, he can manipulate the wind in various ways, such as eliminating wind resistance.[10] By merely flapping his wings, "Aldebaran" can produce scything wind blades that can slice through buildings[4])
• Invisibility (By combining Yang Magic and Wind Magic, "Aldebaran" can use magic that bends light around his body in order to turn invisible,[14] although it cannot be used while moving)
• Earth Manipulation (With Earth Magic, he constructed twelve monolithic airborne arms from crag which he could control at will[4])
• Resistance to Magic (The Divine Dragon possesses the most powerful dragonhalo among its species, which wards off all magical attacks, granting an absurd magical defense.[4] Inferior Dragons like Fargall are clad in powerful mana which withstands the intervention of magic[8] and diminishes the might of magic,[8] hence why they were able to resist Beatrice's Minya which stops the time of living creatures, and inorganic substances, crystallizing and shattering them[8])

Can alternative versions/if routes be used for scaling?

Yes, if they don't contradict main/side story information.

and is there a discussion about echidna's dream world?
because in the prologue of volume 41 (I think) it is stated to have stars and in the greed if the dream World is stated infinite

It being born of genjutsu calls into question whether or not the feat would scale to anything, as a mental plane doesn't have any real spatial axes.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

• Regeneration (The Divine Dragon's mana-body possesses astounding regeneration which cannot be surpassed without first[4] stripping it of both its physical and magical armours, and targeting the weak point of its Heartstone)

The rest is fine and all but we should probably talk about this...
If we go by the fact that Roswaal should scale to atleast Beatrice then he gets regen negation of upto high mid atleast, strictly speaking he should be able to destroy anybody uptil low high regen. So if he is completely unable to overpower Alter's regen it would imply at the very least that level of regeneration.

Anyways, blabbering aside, it should resist regen negation at the very least

 

[Emils_tempest]

It being born of genjutsu calls into question whether or not the feat would scale to anything, as a mental plane doesn't have any real spatial axes.

the dream world is a mental world I always thought it was just a spiritual world/lacking physicality because it is stated that it is in the world of rezero and it has already been called a parallel world (if I remember correctly)

 

[Zabazab]

It's likely that volume 42's final chapter, "Magician", will release soon. Looking forward to seeing how the trio overcomes the Dragon.

Also, volume 42's prologue was very interesting, with more Al and Echidna dynamic. We also had some Ol Shamak lore— it's so strong due to basically being a binding vow that it can only function properly on Witch Factor hosts. Its seal also can't be broken by any means besides an Authority, the Dragon Sword, or the caster's will. I'm guessing Echidna could break out due to being in a dream or having no Witch Factor... or she's just goated like that.

I'm looking forward to the volume 42 shop specials as well, especially No Stella No Life 4, but I'm sure Undead Busters 4 and Kararagi Shinigami Incident 4 will have interesting aspects as well. Although a lot of side story translations seem to have been taken down.

 

[MrTayman616]

It's likely that volume 42's final chapter, "Magician", will release soon. Looking forward to seeing how the trio overcomes the Dragon.

I'm betting that it will have Roswaal making one last attack at the end of the chapter while being irrelevant for %90 of it.

 

[Zabazab]

Al Sextet does no harm to Alter, but its dragonhalo turns black, and then Clind strikes its scar.

Also I really despise Clind's horns. He looks like a sheep. They don't even look like Volcanica's horns which are sharp and turn upwards. Should've just copied Madelyn's, her horns don't resemble Mezoreias.

 

[MrTayman616]

I'm guessing Echidna could break out due to being in a dream or having no Witch Factor... or she's just goated like that.

She did explain how her authority works to Aldebaran rather than explaining like it was someone else's, so i assume it's the first one.

Spoiler

Or maybe because he's her creation? It can be broken by the sealer, maybe Echidna also counts as one based on their connection?

Though it's entirely possible she just figured it out after claiming it wasn't possible considering it's here :d

 

[Zabazab]

She did explain how her authority works to Aldebaran rather than explaining like it was someone else's, so i assume it's the first one.

She had a Witch Factor and can use the Authority of Greed in her dream, but since she's deceased she no longer has a Witch Factor, it passed to Regulus and then Subaru.

 

[MrTayman616]

She had a Witch Factor and can use the Authority of Greed in her dream, but since she's deceased she no longer has a Witch Factor, it passed to Regulus and then Subaru.

I wonder, to what extent it is accepted as one in that place.

Also it's entirely possible that this happens before Regulus was even born. I mean considering Al's statements about having regrets from 400 years ago and Witches being angry/disappointed at him

 

[Zabazab]

We also know Al is genuinely around 40 years old considering his thoughts, and while he knew the Witches who exist in the Castle of Dreams, and has future knowledge, he doesn't know other things like what Reid was like or what's up with Clind and Volcanica.

"Magician" summary btw. Tier 5 Clind...

 

[MrTayman616]

We also know Al is genuinely around 40 years old considering his thoughts, and while he knew the Witches who exist in the Castle of Dreams, and has future knowledge, he doesn't know other things like what Reid was like or what's up with Clind and Volcanica.

I mostly expect some time travel event. Mostly unknown ig, i have hopes though.

"Magician" summary btw. Tier 5 Clind...

Amazing chapter as always

Now waiting a few weeks for webnovel to start again...

 

[Zabazab]

"Magician" will probably release in the WN by the 25th. This happened with "Sphinx" and "The Witch" too.

 

[Emils_tempest]

I made a small sandbox (99% finished, I just need to find the volumes and chapters of certain statements) on the cosmology of re:zero about the universe and the dream world I would like to discuss it/have your opinions where can I put my sandbox?

 

[MrTayman616]

I made a small sandbox (99% finished, I just need to find the volumes and chapters of certain statements) on the cosmology of re:zero about the universe and the dream world I would like to discuss it/have your opinions where can I put my sandbox?

You can just send it here. (I'm curious about it now :d)

 

[Emils_tempest]

Emils tempest/sandbox1

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[MrTayman616]

If it's ugly I'm sorry

Emils tempest/sandbox1

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The dream world is a failure, the stars there are fake, and those visual statements like "Can't see beyond the horizon, seemed eternal" etc doesn't really support infinite size. It's not even a physical plane to begin with. Also it doesn't prove that it has it's own time axis, time just passes slowly because of it's state.

It doesn't scale to uni+, at least not based on these imo. Also it's kinda weird since Echidna's dream world is created via Dream Arts rather than Authorities (Maybe she uses the authority as support in some way?). There are still users of it in the verse, in omega's side story currently.

So currently, it's nothing more than a "dream world".

 

[Emils_tempest]

Le monde des rêves est un échec, les étoiles y sont fausses, et ces affirmations visuelles comme « On ne voit pas au-delà de l'horizon, ça semble éternel », etc., ne justifient pas vraiment l'idée d'une taille infinie. Ce n'est même pas un plan physique. De plus, cela ne prouve pas qu'il possède son propre axe temporel ; le temps s'écoule lentement en raison de son état.

Il n'est pas compatible avec Uni+, du moins pas d'après ces informations. C'est aussi un peu étrange, car le monde onirique d'Echidna est créé par les Arts du Rêve plutôt que par les Autorités (peut-être utilise-t-elle l'Autorité comme support d'une manière ou d'une autre ?). Il y en a encore des utilisateurs dans le verset, notamment dans l'histoire secondaire d'Oméga.

Donc, actuellement, ce n’est rien de plus qu’un « monde de rêve ».

"The blue of the sky and the green of the earth went on forevermore" isn't this enough to prove that it is infinite in size? + for the stars it is only a secondary statement to prove the large size and if they are false bothers it is just that they are not physical like the entirety of the rest of this world + you don't explain how the lack of physics is a problem + how the fact that time flows slowly does not fit its own time axis?

 

[VortechsTG]

"The blue of the sky and the green of the earth went on forevermore" isn't this enough to prove that it is infinite in size? + for the stars it is only a secondary statement to prove the large size and if they are false bothers it is just that they are not physical like the entirety of the rest of this world + you don't explain how the lack of physics is a problem + how the fact that time flows slowly does not fit its own time axis?

The next moment, with a speed that broke the wind, the girl dashed out and struck her fist straight into Subaru. His face being suddenly injected with such incredible speed and power, Subaru’s body was quite literally blown away like a leaf. But,
Subaru: “Pffu――!?”
Expecting to continue being blown away for quite some time, he suddenly arrived at the end of the world.
Echidna had actually trapped Subaru within a world of limited space, so after being launched flying by the power-packed punch, he had only managed to fly for a short distance. The impact against the invisible wall rolling through his entire body, having splatted in the middle of the air, Subaru turned his eyes back around. And there,
– Arc 4 Chapter 11

 

[Emils_tempest]

my scan comes from greed if so I guess it is now considered non-canon because it is in opposition to declarations of the ln (even if it is possible that she can just control the size but okay)

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Roswaal slander is wild.
Author's death concept really hit with the last chapter.
How do we scale roswaal now + what's your guys top 20 strongest characters

 

[Zabazab]

Waiting for chapter 49 "Magician" before my final say. After the top 10 I have very little confidence but right now it's probably;

1. Reinhard van Astrea
2. Satella
3. Reid Astrea
4. Ram
5. Volcanica
6. Regulus Corneas
7. Sekhmet
8. Also Volcanica. Hard to say.
9. Yorna at her tippy-toppy peak
10. Cecilus Segmunt
11. Halibel
12. Probably Vague Adgard tbh
13. Clind
14. Puck
15. Typhon
16. Daphne
17. Emilia at her tippy-toppy peak
18. Echidna/Sphinx
19. Roswaal L. Mathers
20. Marcos Gildark

 

[MrTayman616]

Waiting for chapter 49 "Magician" before my final say. After the top 10 I have very little confidence but right now it's probably;

1. Reinhard van Astrea
2. Satella
3. Reid Astrea
4. Ram
5. Volcanica
6. Regulus Corneas
7. Sekhmet
8. Also Volcanica. Hard to say.
9. Yorna at her tippy-toppy peak
10. Cecilus Segmunt
11. Halibel
12. Probably Vague Adgard tbh
13. Clind
14. Puck
15. Typhon
16. Daphne
17. Emilia at her tippy-toppy peak
18. Echidna/Sphinx
19. Roswaal L. Mathers
20. Marcos Gildark

Full Power Volcanica is comparable to Reid Astrea as far as i know, and can even compete against Reinhard while he uses the Dragon Sword Reid. Should be above Ram imo.

Yorna at her peak is probably weaker than Cecilus using his top two swords. Also Roswaal believes he didn't surpass Echidna but it's his way of seeing her like that rather than the truth imo.

Not sure what you consider Emilia as her tippy-toppy peak, while being uncontrollable or something?

My opinions at least :d

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Waiting for chapter 49 "Magician" before my final say. After the top 10 I have very little confidence but right now it's probably;

1. Reinhard van Astrea
2. Satella
3. Reid Astrea
4. Ram
5. Volcanica
6. Regulus Corneas
7. Sekhmet
8. Also Volcanica. Hard to say.
9. Yorna at her tippy-toppy peak
10. Cecilus Segmunt
11. Halibel
12. Probably Vague Adgard tbh
13. Clind
14. Puck
15. Typhon
16. Daphne
17. Emilia at her tippy-toppy peak
18. Echidna/Sphinx
19. Roswaal L. Mathers
20. Marcos Gildark

What about Hector and Eugard

 

[Zabazab]

Full Power Volcanica is comparable to Reid Astrea as far as i know, and can even compete against Reinhard while he uses the Dragon Sword Reid. Should be above Ram imo.

Volcanica also got beaten to a pulp by Sekhmet, and apparantly the Dragon Sword is an extremely hard counter to Volcanica, which is pretty funny.

Was pretty sure Cecilus used Murasame & Masayume in Sword Identity and still couldn't kill Yorna, but Yorna definitely can't hit Cecilus normally unless she uses Chaosflame as a nuke.

I was convinced by Clind and Roswaal together thinking Echidna was the greatest in history but I wouldn't be opposed to people thinking Roswaal's stronger. They're the Sukuna and Gojo of magic.

Emilia's uncontrollable power from volume 14 and Bond of Ice yeah. It's a threat to the world. Backed up by the new birthday Two Witches story having Echidna claim if they swapped bodies, Echidna would probably destroy the world.

What about Hector and Eugard

Hektor can be around 9th I suppose. Eugard is like somewhere from 13th to 17th.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Man roswaal is one of my favs, honestly having him below echidna hurts me

 

[Zabazab]

Roswaal is absurdly interesting in how despite trying to abandon his humanity, he's among the most human characters. His powerset is also cool with both martial arts and magic. Working on his intelligence justification is maybe the most daunting task I have right now.

 

[MrTayman616]

Volcanica also got beaten to a pulp by Sekhmet, and apparantly the Dragon Sword is an extremely hard counter to Volcanica, which is pretty funny.

Volcanica and Sekhmet is a case of compatibility imo, Volcanica still defeated her as well.

Also giving Reinhard a hard fight while he uses the sword should be enough as a feat

I was convinced by Clind and Roswaal together thinking Echidna was the greatest in history but I wouldn't be opposed to people thinking Roswaal's stronger. They're the Sukuna and Gojo of magic.

Clind thinks Roswaal is superior. Same as the author as he calls him the greatest of all time in Q&A.

It's just Roswaal who thinks Echidna is greater (He's not rational)

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Volcanica and Sekhmet is a case of compatibility imo, Volcanica still defeated her as well.

Also giving Reinhard a hard fight while he uses the sword should be enough as a feat

Clind thinks Roswaal is superior. Same as the author as he calls him the greatest of all time in Q&A.

It's just Roswaal who thinks Echidna is greater (He's not rational)

Where does clind think that sorry

 

[Zabazab]

Volcanica and Sekhmet is a case of compatibility imo, Volcanica still defeated her as well.

Also giving Reinhard a hard fight while he uses the sword should be enough as a feat

Sekhmet's Authority is just Strong Impact, and Volcanica did not defeat her. She fell to her death while still raining destruction upon Volcanica. If you get beat up, and then your attacker falls off a roof, did you win? Are you stronger?

And surely Volcanica has bad compatibility against Reinhard when the Dragon Sword just negates both its physical and magical defenses, right?

I also didn't see a quote in chapter 48 where Clind thinks Roswaal is the greatest. He adores Roswaal for having the talent to reach such heights without being a chosen one who doesn't struggle to improve.

 

[Emils_tempest]

Is there any discussion about Reinhard's attacks being compared to the power of the Big Bang?

 

[MrTayman616]

Is there any discussion about Reinhard's attacks being compared to the power of the Big Bang?

It's just a fancy wording, not a real comparison.

 

[Huesito88]

It's just a fancy wording, not a real comparison.

In before it's literal