Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

[Zabazab]

No one knows as it does not exist for now. But I will be grateful to finally have a real value instead of some vague estimation.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

i am super eyeballing it but it seems to be in the 5 to 25x range

 

[Trxyway]

Does anyone know a similar feat and where it was calced? (The first interaction)

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Black Clover has plenty of light dodging/blocking calcs, besides from that couldn't tell you off the top of my head.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Black Clover has plenty of light dodging/blocking calcs, besides from that couldn't tell you off the top of my head.

mfw all of them are manga panels

 

[Zabazab]

Some relevant author's comments on the latest episode:

Incidentally, despite being right-handed, [Reid]'s holding the chopsticks in his left hand.

Julius is being handled like a child, but even with his contract with the Quasi Spirits on the verge of breaking, his skill with the sword is in the top five in Lugunica. The third, perhaps.

The first Sword Saint Reid Astrea is, without exaggeration, a genius, so it's not a bluff; he really did exceed all other swordsmen three months after starting to use the sword. Before that, he's just run around using his bare hands, but he was the strongest in the world even bare-handed.

Incidentally, the eye covered with an eyepatch isn't injured either. [Reid] puts it on because if he doesn't cover at least one eye, no one can give him a good fight, and he thinks it looks cool.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

The information regarding his eyepatch isn't new but it is still nice to see it being brought up again

Julius "Off-Handed" Juukulius being top 3 in swordsmanship is sus, I suppose he is superior to Crusch now?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Cecilus trains his whole life to reach the Heavenly Sword, Reid does it in 3 months

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Emilia Vs Julius Juukulius (Re: Zero)

Emilia Vs Julius Juukulius Arc 6 Emilia and Julius will be used Fight takes place in Priestella Fight OST:

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[Zabazab]

Spoiler: Arc 10 Chapter 19

I genuinely think 2 and a half magicians staring down Wolf in a closed-off space is more hopeless than the situation Emilia Camp + Wilhelm was in when facing Holdsbackhard.

 

[VortechsTG]

Spoiler: Arc 10 Chapter 19

I genuinely think 2 and a half magicians staring down Wolf in a closed-off space is more hopeless than the situation Emilia Camp + Wilhelm was in when facing Holdsbackhard.

Oh 100%

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Spoiler: Arc 10 Chapter 19

I genuinely think 2 and a half magicians staring down Wolf in a closed-off space is more hopeless than the situation Emilia Camp + Wilhelm was in when facing Fullpowerhard.

Probably

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Spoiler: Arc 10, Chapter 15

Crusch can hit deadspots now, not to mention her senses due to her Dragon Eye, never thought I would ever see Crusch of all people being buffed. Too bad she is literally on a crashout mission. This whole situation is bad, and looks to me like a turning point, there is no going back, no great reset this time

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Childe vs Wilhelm [4-9-0] [Grace]

I saw the keys matched and thought "well that did be interesting" Tartagalia: @AsterReal @InfiOthinus @MSahla @Puppet43 vs Prime Sword Demon: @MasterOwOgay @VortechsTG @Shadowslash125 @Reiner04 @Doggo @AlipheeseXIV @CastoriceTheFifth @SatellaTheWoE @BoastJr Both start at tier 7B Speed is...

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[Arceus0x]

Greetings, I need a wee bit of help. See I have 2 different versions of LN 21 downloaded, one version was (I think?) from Witch Cult translations from a while back (and now the google drive from the links is dead) and the other I accidentally downloaded today. One is 624 pages (on phone on fb2) and the new one has a bigger font and is only 400+ or so with 350 being the main story and the rest being the Garfiel interlude. Here's the question, what the hell am I reading? I wanna read from where the anime took off (otherwise I will die of boredom trying to catch up and move on) and afaik volume 22 is where it's supposed to be, but what version of the book is good? What is going on here?

 

[Zabazab]

Here's the question, what the hell am I reading?

Witch Cult Translations translates the web novel, and Yenpress publishes the english Light Novel. The two are pretty much the same content-wise, with minor differences, some prefer one or the other. Although the light novel is known for mistranslations. The anime adapts the light novel.

Also, volumes 21-25 are arc 6, and only the web novel for arc 7 and onward is fully translated, so you will need to read the web novel at some point if you're continuing.

If you want to continue on from the most recent episode, then read volume 22's chapter "Julius Juukulius". Here's a link to Witch Cult Translations and to the Re:Zero Database.

 

[Zabazab]

Sandbox for Typhon & Carmilla. Am I missing anything?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Sandbox for Typhon & Carmilla. Am I missing anything?

Carmilla should have social influencing with her authority, she got crowds to basically be her servants all the time. Paralysis inducement from looking at her is also something which can be indexed.

She should also get mind/soul manipulation because her charm is from her authority and affects the mind, she should also get morality manipulation for getting normal people to basically become her thugs

I hesitate on this, but she could also get life manipulation from being able to grant emotions to inorganic things

she should also get 4 people under her standard equipment who are like, soldiers or something. maybe a separate tabber for them with general rz flow stuff


Typhon should get a layer of deconstruction because she can destroy people who use the flow method who have resistance to it

Typhon can get transmutation possibly for turning people to dust, they dont seem human when dying and break apart like pottery

 

[Zabazab]

social influencing

No.

Paralysis inducement

Entranced ≠ Paralyzed.

mind/soul manipulation

Maybe sure.

morality manipulation

No.

grant emotions to inorganic things

Non-human ≠ Inorganic.

4 people

Headcanon.

layer of deconstruction

I don't consider them similar types of deconstruction. And also just being an Authority explains it working.

transmutation

Nah.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Sandbox for Typhon & Carmilla. Am I missing anything?

Why you using Lost in Memories renders? They look good, but wouldn't the light novel pics suffice?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

No.

It has been previously accepted based on basically the same premise:

Social Influencing (She's known as the most beautiful woman in the world, with her beauty she's able to manipulate both men and women to do as she demands or forgive her actions despite the severity of them; such as attacking small animals, mutilation or even murder. Her beauty's influence can incite feelings of lust or perversion in people regardless of gender, if they're animals or emotionless cyborgs

No.

The description of Morality Manipulation actually sits really well with the application of her authority:

In many ways, Morality Manipulation functions similarly to Mind Manipulation and its sister power, Mind Control in the way that it warps the mentality of whoever it is used upon. However, unlike Mind Control, Morality Manipulation doesn't necessarily force the target under their control, but instead makes the target join their side by force. Of course, there can be and often is overlap.

• Morality Control: A supernatural form of the ability. Using mind manipulating powers, the user can forcefully control the morals and loyalties of the target, making them their slave, right-hand-man or even just something who abides by their laws.
• Perception Manipulation: Some uses of the ability can cause the target to view certain people as literal monsters, causing severe psychological stress, which can eventually make the target snap.
• Complete Control: Complete control, as the name may imply, is having complete control over one's morality, laws and view points of the enemy. This is effectively the same ability as Mind Manipulation.

Non-human ≠ Inorganic.

would you say spirits are organic?

• Inorganic Physiology (Type 1; A Spirit's manifested body is composed of mana, granting various natural resistances)

Headcanon.

I dont remember exactly how many there were (I thought there were 4 but i couldnt find proof of that)

but here you go:

Q: Does Carmilla-tan have any fighting ability?

A: Carmilla-tan doesn’t have any. Her personal guards do.

Q: It’s said that your heart stops if you meet Carmilla; is her personal guard made up of tough men whose hearts didn’t stop?

A: That’s right. The guard is entirely made up of tough guys whose hearts didn’t stop.

I don't consider them similar types of deconstruction. And also just being an Authority explains it working.

You are right i did not consider the conceptual slop

Nah.

bring better reasoning then "nah"

 

[Zabazab]

Why you using Lost in Memories renders? They look good, but wouldn't the light novel pics suffice?

I wanted to do more than just what would suffice. Also I think their anime renders are ASS.

It has been previously accepted based on basically the same premise:

Hancock does not do this through magical or otherwise supernatural means. She's just charming. Carmilla is in fact an antisocial scumbag who explicitly is neither pretty nor ugly, a plain girl with an automatic Authority.

Morality Manipulation

I felt empath manip covered enough, but if it's desired I wouldn't oppose it. Morality manip covering "loyalty" is funny though.

would you say spirits are organic?

How is granting emotions manipulating life? And it's not confirmed that she granted emotions to spirits, just that she granted emotions to the inhuman and at one point had Muspel obeying her.

but here you go

Already mentioned in her AP. I will not be indexing her guards because the extent of their info is They Exist and Their Hearts Are Tough.

bring better reasoning then "nah"

I don't think I will....

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I wanted to do more than just what would suffice. Also I think their anime renders are ASS.

this is true

Hancock does not do this through magical or otherwise supernatural means. She's just charming. Carmilla is in fact an antisocial scumbag who explicitly is neither pretty nor ugly, a plain girl with an automatic Authority.

There are no restrictions on social influencing to come from abilities or not, in fact several characters straight up have it with hax, like masayuki and hinata

How is granting emotions manipulating life? And it's not confirmed that she granted emotions to spirits, just that she granted emotions to the inhuman and at one point had Muspel obeying her.

its funny cause i was surprised too but it could come under this:

• Animation: Some life manipulators are able to breathe life into inanimate objects, turning them into living creatures to aid them in combat.

I am fine with a possibly/likely rating for this along with the spirit stuff

Already mentioned in her AP. I will not be indexing her guards because the extent of their info is They Exist and Their Hearts Are Tough.

Yes but think of the accuracy!! they have to be strong enough to be resistant to an authority and giving them the bare minimum stuff like tier 9B, with basic instinctive action stuff wouldn't change much besides add stuff that should already be on her profile

I don't think I will....

You're so ass

(i am assuming this is sarcasm and you will, muah)

Edit: in case you WONT though, i need a full written apology an explanation for why

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

You all get 24 hours with tappei, how are you bullying him?

 

[Huesito88]

You all get 24 hours with tappei, how are you bullying him?

Bullying or torture?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bullying or torture?

Tappei is gonna have it rough....anything goes

For those 24 hours, he doesnt have human rights (smth along those lines)

 

[Zabazab]

There are no restrictions on social influencing to come from abilities or not, in fact several characters straight up have it with hax, like masayuki and hinata

I do not agree. Also the latter one explicitly mentions it's partly due to Hinata's own charisma. I will not agree with indexing an ability that supernaturally manipulates a person's feelings as social influencing.

its funny cause i was surprised too but it could come under this:

Well then absolutely not. Spirits are not inanimate. Animation is bringing objects like dolls, rocks, etc. to life.

think of the accuracy!!

Exactly why they are not being indexed.

You're so ass

It does not turn someone into porcelain it shatters them like they're porcelain. Also the LN describes the deconstruction as much gorier, with Subaru's muscle/bones/nerves being exposed.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Sandbox for Typhon & Carmilla. Am I missing anything?

Shouldn't they get the standard in an emergency their gate can open up and grant them superhuman physical abilities?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I do not agree. Also the latter one explicitly mentions it's partly due to Hinata's own charisma. I will not agree with indexing an ability that supernaturally manipulates a person's feelings as social influencing.

this is an agree to disagree kind of situation so just have that be one of the points in your crt so we can get a consensus on it

Exactly why they are not being indexed.

same as above

It does not turn someone into porcelain it shatters them like they're porcelain. Also the LN describes the deconstruction as much gorier, with Subaru's muscle/bones/nerves being exposed.

I wonder why it was changed in the anime, but in the end they all turn to dust anyway right? We can still index it as possibly/likely in that case.

 

[Zabazab]

gate

Kashira.

turn to dust

Covered by deconstruction.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Sandbox for Typhon & Carmilla. Am I missing anything?

In Carmilla's standard equipment shouldn't Muspel be there? And in her power & abilities spirit physiology should be there like Julius since there spirits have it.

 

[Zabazab]

Muspel

I'm not sure if "individuals she has manipulated" can be standard equipment. It'd be a significant thing to index, and we don't know their exact relationship. And I don't know what Muspel would have beyond spirit physiology.

 

[Crimsonobu]

I'm not sure if "individuals she has manipulated" can be standard equipment. It'd be a significant thing to index, and we don't know their exact relationship. And I don't know what Muspel would have beyond spirit physiology.

Pretty sure Muzan has all the upper and lower demons as standard equipment . And it's not just "manipulated". They are her army that follows her everywhere and are with her.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Pretty sure Muzan has all the upper and lower demons as standard equipment

Hi, as the guy who caused this masterpiece

Heres the reason why they're standard equipment

Demon Slayer CRT part 3!!!

Alright Agree: @Catbowtie @FinePoint (disagrees with electricity and ice. Similar thoughts to Kachon. Agrees with everything else) Disagree: Misc: @Kachon123 (Disagree with electricity for Tanjiro and Nezuko and cross resistance scaling. Agrees with Minor...

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I'm not sure if "individuals she has manipulated" can be standard equipment. It'd be a significant thing to index, and we don't know their exact relationship. And I don't know what Muspel would have beyond spirit physiology.

Do they function like Makima's goons?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Hi, as the guy who caused this masterpiece

Heres the reason why they're standard equipment

Demon Slayer CRT part 3!!!

Alright Agree: @Catbowtie @FinePoint (disagrees with electricity and ice. Similar thoughts to Kachon. Agrees with everything else) Disagree: Misc: @Kachon123 (Disagree with electricity for Tanjiro and Nezuko and cross resistance scaling. Agrees with Minor...

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Do they function like Makima's goons?

they are in love with her and are her bodyguards like i mentioned previously, this has occurred due to her authority.

I dont remember exactly how many there were (I thought there were 4 but i couldnt find proof of that)

but here you go:

Q: Does Carmilla-tan have any fighting ability?

A: Carmilla-tan doesn’t have any. Her personal guards do.

Q: It’s said that your heart stops if you meet Carmilla; is her personal guard made up of tough men whose hearts didn’t stop?

A: That’s right. The guard is entirely made up of tough guys whose hearts didn’t stop.

 

[Zabazab]

Do they function like Makima's goons?

They physically follow her around because they're infatuated. Makima can summon her pawns and even use their powers without summoning them.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Giorno VS Reid

Giorno VS Reid Rules: -Equal speed -Giorno has GER -100m start

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[Fezzih_007]

Giorno VS Reid

Giorno VS Reid Rules: -Equal speed -Giorno has GER -100m start

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Giorno matchup

 

[Zabazab]

A WIP sandbox for Aldebaran-Alter