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Rayman Universe CRT

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With the addition of multiple new calcs, the Rayman verse is due for some changes to how we approach the characters’ level of power.

AP/Durability revision for Most of the characters​

So far when it comes to Rayman character profiles, we have stuck with “Varies from Small Country level to Solar System level” for AP and durability for most of the profiles. One issue with this is that we have no idea where the “Small Country level” designation came from in the first place. We have several recent calcs , including the explosion of the Moody Clouds, that instead seem to show “Varies from Small City level to Solar System level” to be a more accurate designation.

Secondly, it’s a bit unclear currently whether many of the characters scale to the high end calc, where Rayman and his friends are able to shake a constellation with their charged attack. Therefore, I think it's best that there is some degree of separation between the characters involved in that feat, and those who aren’t.

Rabbids should receive their own separate designation. They are more annoyances to Rayman at best, while still somewhat comparable to him. They also could possibly be considered part of a separate canon as of Rabbids Go Home. In fact, Davide Soliani from Ubisoft stated that the Rayman and Rabbid worlds are now part of “two separate universes” (though they did briefly appear in the mobile game, Rayman Adventures). Therefore, we should scale them to other feats that were recently calced (1, 2, 3, 4).

So we propose the following changes:

Rayman, Globox, Barbara, Teensie:
AP/Durability: Varies from Small City level to Solar System level (Directly involved in constellation feat)

The Magician:
AP= Small City level, possibly Varies from Small City level to Solar System level
Durability= Varies from Small City level to Solar System level
(Is able to survive the Solar System level feat, but it's unknown whether his AP is that high)

Rabbids
at least City level to Multi-Continent level, possibly Dwarf Star level (scales to at least the city level and multi continent level feats; may scale to feats from the tv show)

All other characters besides Gods and Deities:
AP/Durability= Small City level, possibly Varies from Small City level to Solar System level (Has shown to be comparable to Rayman and friends, and may possibly scale to the constellation feat)

AP/Durability revision for the Deity characters​

Polokus is consistently shown to be the top tier of the verse. He is shown to be the Supreme Being who created Rayman’s world. His dreams and nightmares are consistently shown to influence the state of the Glade of Dreams. The Rayman Origins website states “His feelings have a direct effect on the world, and even one bad dream can unsettle its fragile balance!” and the Knowledge of the World states “His power is such that his smallest dream or desire becomes reality”. He is also essential to the plot of Rayman 2 where the defeat of the Robo-Pirates that overran the Glade, hinged upon whether Rayman could wake Polokus. So at the very least, he should be on a similar level with Rayman.

It is also hinted that he may be even stronger than that. In the Knowledge of the World it states “After having created all the creatures who live in this world, a harder task remained: creating time. So Polokus went to the place where all the gods of all the worlds meet, and together they set about dreaming up the future.” So he had a hand in creating the spacetime continuum of the universe alongside an unknown number of gods. This is further evidenced by the Teensie Highway, which shows similar attributes to a wormhole. It shows images of Rayman 1 and even a Star Trek ship, being evidence that is a passage through spacetime. Polokus probably created the Highway since the Teensies’ role was only to “unveil all the roads of the World” according to the Knowledge of the World.

There is also the fact that the constellations shown in the sky in the game Rayman Legends depict creatures that are found in the Glade of Dreams. This could possibly show that Polokus created celestial bodies as well. While it is not for sure, this provides more evidence that he is stronger than shown.

We know a lot less about The Leptys in comparison, but there is no reason that we shouldn’t include him among “all the gods of all the worlds”, so he should have a similar control over the space-time continuum (especially since he has his own pocket dimension at the end of Rayman 3). A Teensie Doctor also stated that The Leptys is a massive threat to the Glade of Dreams, stating the world would “go up in smoke” if Reflux succeeds in summoning the Leptys. This supported by the fact that other Rayman characters are shown to be in awe of his power. André stated that he would be able to “reproduce infinitely” using The Leptys’s energy. So with that said, here is how these profiles should be revised:

Polokus, Leptys:
At least Solar System level, probably much higher

Lums (including Black Lums like André) are harder to determine in comparison, but their power has been hinted at in the games. Most notably the Knowledge of the World states that everything in Rayman’s universe is made of Lums: “First, you must know that the universe is made of energy. Everything that moves around you, everything that lives and thinks is given life by the tiny magical lights which we call... Lums.” It also says when the Lums “focused themselves into thought” they created Polokus. They grant “universal knowledge” when collected. The Heart of the World, which is made up of 1000 Yellow Lums, keeps the Glade of Dreams in harmony and balance. The destruction of the Heart of the World throws the Glade of Dreams into chaos in Rayman 2. It was responsible for giving the citizens of the Glade of Dreams magical abilities and attacks. So characters like Rayman, Ly the Fairy, and the Teensies were unable to perform the majority of their abilities unless they gathered Yellow Lums, and sometimes Silver Lums. So the majority of the Glade’s residents were completely powerless to stop the Robo-Pirates after the Heart was destroyed in Rayman 2.

In spin-off games, Rayman can use Yellow Lums as throwable projectiles in the DS version of Rayman Raving Rabbids, and is able to harm Rabbids with them. Black Lums were implied to give the Robo-Pirates more power in some way in the GBA version of Rayman 3. André was also able to harm Globox while inside of him in Rayman 3. So at the very least, they may be able to scale to non-Deity Rayman characters.

Lums, André:
AP/Durability= Small City level, possibly Varies from Small City level to Solar System level

Lifting Strength/Speed Revision​

In the Rabbids Invasion tv intro, the Rabbids were able to pull the Earth’s continents. This would upgrade their lifting strength to Class Z if it is considered valid. This would also give them Sub-Relativistic speed.

In Rayman Raving Rabbids, there is a minigame called “Bunnies like surprises” which ends with a Rabbid and Rayman getting crushed by a 50,000 ton weight. If we assume Rayman and Rabbids to be able to lift this weight, then they should be upgraded to Class M lifting strength. This may apply to the rest of the Rayman cast as well.

Other Potential Changes​

One significant change that we could make to the profiles is separate Rayman characters by their different versions. For instance, we could potentially separate Rayman into four different character profiles: Rayman 1, Rayman 2, Rayman 3/Raving Rabbids, and Origins/Legends.

While Ubisoft never stated that these are separate canons, the series is infamously wonky and inconsistent to the point where people question whether games like Rayman 2 or Rayman Origins could be considered continuations or complete reboots of the franchise, given that there are shown to be drastic differences in how Rayman’s world and characters work with many games of the series.

We can also either treat each game's cast separately or keep it together since not much thought went into the series' canon as a whole. These changes are more up for discussion since there is enough evidence that could support either approach.
 
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Honestly curious here, what's the reasoning for Rayman having a Varies tier in the first place?
 
Honestly curious here, what's the reasoning for Rayman having a Varies tier in the first place?
Mostly just because Rayman characters appear super inconsistent between games. It's a similar issue to how Rayman's canon is portrayed, where characters are portrayed wildly differently between games. In Rayman Origins for instance, the Small City level Moody Clouds explosion is shown as a big deal, only for Rayman and friends to get a Solar System level feat in its direct sequel without much explanation. At least that's how I saw it.
 
Varies comes from it being a sort of low-end at the time from what I recall.
Anyways, Low 6-B was around way before we got proper Rayman supporters like Mantidil (Thanks for the work, BTW), and it was based on it just being claimed on Mr. Dark taking control of a place or something like that, with no scans or further stuff from what I recall.

Either way, I'm fine with the new changes, except for some things...
It's "possibly far higher", not "possibly much higher", at least per how the standard over listing that goes.
Also, using "X tier, possibly X tier to Y tier" so many times makes me think it would be better to just do "X tier, possibly Y tier", given that they don't really vary between any tier between X tier or Y tier, and it's overall simpler and to the point this way.

I also think it would be best to just keep all pages together, like how we do for Mario, loose canons usually remain within the same profile.
 
As inconsistent as the series is, it seems to me that the Rayman games are a series of soft reboots. And it feels like Origins/Legends went out of its way to harmonize the drastically different worlds portrayed in Rayman 1 and Rayman 2.
 
Well, while some canons remain so inconsistent the only consistent thing are basically some resemblance at times, usually content should only be separated if it's explicitly another canon or so, otherwise we would be dividing Marvel and DC by author, for example.
Also, I'm not sure on using the feat from the opening of Rabbids Invasion, it's pretty inconsistent to what actually happens on the show overall (no one brings it up and so on) from what I recall, and overall just seems like a gag that shouldn't be taken as something that really happened in the first place.
 
Tbh the Rabbids already have lots of gag feats but the Rayman series is full of those for almost every character, since it's a comedic setting at heart.

The Rabbids games are all about feats like those.
 
At last, was thinking when I could re-apply the Low 7-B stuff to Rayman.

OP looks fine at a glance.
 
So the revisions will be as follows, as discussed

Rayman, Globox, Barbara, Teensie:
AP/Durability= Varies from Small City level to Solar System level

The Magician:
AP= Small City level, possibly Solar System level
Durability= Varies from Small City level to Solar System level

Rabbids
AP/Durability= Varies from City level to Multi-Continent level, possibly Dwarf Star level

All other characters besides Gods and Deities:
AP/Durability= Small City level, possibly Solar System level

Polokus, Leptys:
AP/Durability= At least Solar System level, possibly far higher

Lums, André:
AP/Durability= Small City level, possibly Solar System level

With Class M, possibly Class Z lifting strength.

Does that sound right? Is there anything else everyone would like to discuss?
 
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Alright, everyone seems to be in agreement so these revisions could probably be applied. Thanks for helping out everyone.
 
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Bringing this up since Ant asked about it. We decided Rabbids should be "Varies from City level to Multi-Continent level, possibly Dwarf Star level", because they may not scale to the Small City level/Solar System level feats from Rayman Origins/Legends. Is it appropriate to scale them to the Buccaneer ship explosion that we calced instead (which is where "City level" came from)?

Also, should "Class M, possibly Class Z lifting strength" apply to everyone?
 
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I suppose it's more fair since Rayman 2 should be within the same kinda-continuity to Rabbids as opposed to Origins and Legends which are probably not.

I'd keep "At least Class K (Comparable to Rabbids who can move airliners), likely Class M (Rayman set up a trap with a 50000 tonne weight), possibly Class Z (The Rabbids pulled the continents in the Rabbids Invasion opening sequence)
 
Revisions to the profiles have been made. Feel free to change how I worded it as you see fit.

Also, I added a note to the end of the Rabbids profile just to clarify the continuity with Rayman/Rabbids.
 
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