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Raiden Ei
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1):

Raiden Ei preserved Raiden Makoto's realm of consciousness for over 500 years ever since the Cataclysm. The realm of consciousness is said to be abstract concepts that are separate from the world of Teyvat, hence whatever happens in Teyvat does not affect the realm of consciousness, but the vice versa does.

The realm of consciousness is stated to be Abstract Concept(s) surrounded by Chaos, built upon a person's consciousness as asserted by Yae Miko, therefore the Realm of Euthymia is defined as a conceptual incarnation of her consciousness upon its creation; Raiden Ei created the Plane of Euthymia.

Raiden Makoto used her realm of consciousness to awaken Ei's consciousness stored in the Plane of Euthymia so that she can be given Ei the seed of the Sacred Sakura. Upon planting the seed of the Sacred Sakura, it rooted into Inazuma's past and purified Inazuma by absorbing the filth from the cataclysm; Makoto's realm of consciousness later disappeared because of her consciousness being expended, not because of any exterior reason, though it doesn't seem like her realm of consciousness was destroyed anyways.

In summary, Raiden Makoto's realm of consciousness is a fundamental concept that shapes the history of Inazuma. As seen when the seed of the Sacred Sakura was planted into the domain, all of Inazuma was purified and protected from it by rooting into its past through Raiden Makoto's realm of consciousness, therefore we can conclude Raiden Makoto's realm is the fundamental concept of eternity and history of Inazuma.

There is further information as to why and how realms of consciousness are type 1 concepts, which will be more elaborated upon in Nahida's section

Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Concept]):

Raiden Ei purely exists as a mere form of consciousness, lacking any composition of matter or energy. She abandoned her physical body and transferred her consciousness into her sword, the Musou Isshin which stores the Plane of Euthymia, a pocket dimension that serves as Raiden Ei's realm of consciousness, since it has been said to be a domain of her inner world.

Nahida
Conceptual (Type 1) and Information (Type 2) Erasure:

Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness was abandoned after her death, but it still existed after her death. Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness was referred to as the old Imurinsul from 500 years ago; she was contaminated with forbidden knowledge which corrupted her consciousness, therefore Irminsul was also infected by the curse of the forbidden knowledge and cannot be healed, since her realm of consciousness is directly connected to Irminsul. Irminsul is said to be the repository of information and memories through the flow of Ley lines; Irminsul is connected to the ley lines of the Genshin Universe, which is a network of elemental energy and memories of everything, from the surface of Teyvat all the way down to the Abyss. Elemental Energy is referred to as the building blocks of the world.

Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness was erased after Nahida erased her existence and every remains of her consciousness. Irminsul was healed and everything that caused its contamination disappeared after Rukkhadevata's tainted existence and her realm of consciousness was erased from existence.

In summary, Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's Realm of Consciousness was Irminsul's most fundamental concept, until it became a concept of the past Irminsul and contamination of the current Irminsul. As seen when her realm of consciousness was contaminated, Irminsul was also contaminated, and its connection to Irminsul was diminishing. Irminsul is connected to the Ley Lines of Teyvat, therefore it acts as a root for the world of Teyvat and Rukkhadevata's Realm of Consciousness governs it. It was mentioned that Irminsul cannot be healed, unless Lord Rukkhadevata's existence, especially her realm of consciousness, had its connection cut off from Irminsul by being erased, due to her being contaminated by forbidden knowledge.
 
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should ei have interdimensional range for being able to bfr you into another space (her realm) and attack you trough portals like shown in 2.1 cutscen?
 
"Random additions? Let me take a look..."
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Eh..........aside from that all these thing linked to Genshin Impact wiki

Tbh i disagree with concept cause the fact that later down on the GI wiki stated the realm is physical place, and information is type 1 not type 2 since it talking about memories and knowledges

But well i don't time to argue so i'm neutral
 
disagree imrusul does not qualify for type 1, it is only planet scale not universal scale and is not even concept , just memories and thought. It is just info hax
 
Nahida's Info hax seems more like type 1.

But what the **** are the Ei additions. Didn't expect that much. In any case, neutral but inclined to agree
 
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1):

Raiden Ei preserved Raiden Makoto's realm of consciousness for over 500 years ever since the Cataclysm. The realm of consciousness is said to be abstract concepts that are separate from the world of Teyvat, hence whatever happens in Teyvat does not affect the realm of consciousness, but the vice versa does.

The realm of consciousness is stated to be Abstract Concept(s) surrounded by Chaos, built upon a person's consciousness as asserted by Yae Miko, therefore the Realm of Euthymia is defined as a conceptual incarnation of her consciousness upon its creation; Raiden Ei created the Plane of Euthymia.

Raiden Makoto used her realm of consciousness to awaken Ei's consciousness stored in the Plane of Euthymia so that she can be given Ei the seed of the Sacred Sakura. Upon planting the seed of the Sacred Sakura, it rooted into Inazuma's past and purified Inazuma by absorbing the filth from the cataclysm; Makoto's realm of consciousness later disappeared because of her consciousness being expended, not because of any exterior reason, though it doesn't seem like her realm of consciousness was actually destroyed anyways.

In summary, Raiden Makoto's realm of consciousness is a fundamental concept that shapes all of eternity and the history of Inazuma. As seen when the seed of the Sacred Sakura was planted into the domain, all of Inazuma was purified and protected from it by rooting into its past through Raiden Makoto's realm of consciousness, therefore we can conclude Raiden Makoto's realm is the fundamental concept of eternity and history of Inazuma.

There is further information as to why and how realms of consciousness are type 1 concepts, which will be more elaborated upon in Nahida's section
About the "chaos":

Makoto's Realm of Consciousness is the only one that has this "chaos", due to space being distorted/different.

Yae Miko: Yes, no need to try and understand it. Let me put this simply: Right now, she is surrounded by chaos.
Yae Miko: Everything is turbulent and disordered... If you try to force your way in, you could be swept away by a giant wave that sets you down in an unknown corner of space-time.

Rukkha's Realm of Consciousness is also in chaos due to corruption, making it clear that there is only chaos in the Realm of Consciousness when there is some fragility in the person's consciousness (basically, chaos is a bad thing in the Realm of Consciousness).

Nahida: I'm just sharing her pain... The pollution of her consciousness here is severe. There is madness, chaos, and pain all around us.

About concept type 1:

On the best case scenario, type 2, one consciousness is what causes the realm of consciousness to exist, if consciousness is totally erased, the realm of consciousness ceases to exist, so it is not an independent concept.

"Unbeknownst to Ei, Makoto had used her realm of consciousness so Ei could one day understand her vision of "Eternity," after which her remaining consciousness within the Musou Isshin would be awakened to give Ei the seed of the Sacred Sakura. After Ei planted the Sacred Sakura in the realm of consciousness, it took root in Inazuma's past, allowing it to protect Inazuma by absorbing the filth from the cataclysm. Afterwards, Makoto's strength and consciousness was expended, and her realm of consciousness disappeared."

So much so that even in the description of the Sakura Leaf, it is said that the leaf exists because of someone's will.

"After Kusanali erased Rukkhadevata's existence and remaining consciousness, her realm of consciousness, which Kusanali now believed to be that of Irminsul from five hundred years ago, disappeared"

Both Rukka's and Makoto's Realms of Consciousness only remained after their deaths because they both had a part of their consciousness still "alive", but when the small part that remained was used up, the realms disappeared.

Raiden Makoto's Realm of Consciousness is not a "concept that shapes all of eternity and the history of Inazuma", although it is undeniably part of Inazuma's past/history, it does not shape history, it is just part of the history/past , without her, Inazuma's history/past would still exist, it would just be different from what it is today. The Realm of Consciousness also does not shape eternity, with eternity being just an idea/ideology of Raiden Ei, not a concept like the Realm of Consciousness.

Talking about this: Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Concept and "Eternity"]):

One's consciousness Realm need to be the realm itself to be an abstract existence (at least not an abstract existence in CM type 1/2), but consciousness only exists within the Realm of Consciousness, the Realm of Consciousness is a space (conceptual space if this CRT is accepted), and consciousness is within this space , it is not space.

"As its name suggests, a realm of consciousness is a physical space which contains a person's consciousness. It can be accessed via an entrance, which takes on a form that relates to its owner. The interior of a realm of consciousness is also influenced by its owner's memories."

And eternity is not a concept in this sense, just an idea of staying alive forever, or having things stay exactly the same forever (basically a Raiden Ei ideology).

Conceptual (Type 1) and Information (Type 2) Erasure:

The erasure of existence, as well as CM type 1 of the Realms of Consciousness in general, must be reduced to CM type 2, since Irminsul, despite affecting reality, has no evidence of existing independently of reality.

Irminsul is within the Realm of Consciousness and only connected to consciousness, it is not connected to the Realm of Consciousness.


Paimon: Huh, this sure seems very different from what Paimon imagined... Shouldn't Irminsul be in this realm of consciousness?
Nahida: Yes, that is our destination, but I didn't expect the remaining consciousness of Greater Lord Rukkhadevata to be as polluted as this.
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: The disaster occurred together with the pollution of forbidden knowledge. At that very moment, with my consciousness connected to Irminsul, I sensed something was wrong.

Conclusion:

The general CM type 1 of all CRT should be changed to type 2, as none of them proves to be an independent concept;
Abstract Existence must only be of pure consciousness, not abstract existence of concepts (since consciousness itself is not a concept, only the Realm of Consciousness that is) or eternity (eternity is just an ideology);
Chaos does not normally exist in the Realm of Consciousness, and in fact, if it does, it is a bad thing, Rukkha and Makoto's Realm of Consciousness had chaos due to their consciousness being very fragile;
There is no connection between Rukkha's Realm of Consciousness and Irminsul, Irminsul is within the realm, the connection is between consciousness and Irminsul.
 
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About the "chaos":

Makoto's Realm of Consciousness is the only one that has this "chaos", due to space being distorted/different.

Rukkha's Realm of Consciousness is also in chaos due to corruption, making it clear that there is only chaos in the Realm of Consciousness when there is some fragility in the person's consciousness (basically, chaos is a bad thing in the Realm of Consciousness).

About concept type 1:

On the best case scenario, type 2, one consciousness is what causes the realm of consciousness to exist, if consciousness is totally erased, the realm of consciousness ceases to exist, so it is not an independent concept.

"Unbeknownst to Ei, Makoto had used her realm of consciousness so Ei could one day understand her vision of "Eternity," after which her remaining consciousness within the Musou Isshin would be awakened to give Ei the seed of the Sacred Sakura. After Ei planted the Sacred Sakura in the realm of consciousness, it took root in Inazuma's past, allowing it to protect Inazuma by absorbing the filth from the cataclysm. Afterwards, Makoto's strength and consciousness was expended, and her realm of consciousness disappeared."

So much so that even in the description of the Sakura Leaf, it is said that the leaf exists because of someone's will.

"After Kusanali erased Rukkhadevata's existence and remaining consciousness, her realm of consciousness, which Kusanali now believed to be that of Irminsul from five hundred years ago, disappeared"

Both Rukka's and Makoto's Realms of Consciousness only remained after their deaths because they both had a part of their consciousness still "alive", but when the small part that remained was used up, the realms disappeared.

Raiden Makoto's Realm of Consciousness is not a "concept that shapes all of eternity and the history of Inazuma", although it is undeniably part of Inazuma's past/history, it does not shape history, it is just part of the history/past , without her, Inazuma's history/past would still exist, it would just be different from what it is today.
Not really. Makoto's realm of consciousness actually still existed after her consciousness faded away. It was mentioned Makoto's realm of consciousness is rooted into Inazuma's past, which pretty much translates to the region's history. I can let the "eternity" part slide though, I admit the term is rather vaguely defined and quite ambiguous to be considered a part of Makoto's realm of consciousness.

As for Rukkhadevata, she was erased from Irminsul and thus her connection to it was also gone. Now, take into consideration that her realm of consciousness was Irminsul itself, not to mention she wanted to be erased. Rukkhadevata was completely erased from the game itself after she was erased from Irminsul, which caused all of history to be altered and she herself was erased from history. Since Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness is Irminsul from 500 years ago, that past incarnation of Irminsul never existed because Rukkhadevata was completely erased from Teyvat's history. All of this should say that there was definitely something else that caused Rukkhadevata to disappear and not simply because her consciousness got erased -- I already explained why the premise declaring one's consciousness ceasing to exist also causes the Realm of Consciousness to disappear, is false.

Edit: I went through the story quest on YouTube. It turns out that there weren't any mentions or showings that Makoto's realm of consciousness disappeared. It was only her consciousness itself that disappeared, not the realm or even the Sakura tree planted there. You can watch from here; both the tree and realm still remained intact after the scene and there was no mention of the realm disappearing after it at all. Funnily enough, it was even said that the Dream Sakura was obtained upon leaving Makoto's realm of consciousness, it didn't say it was obtained upon the realm disappearing; if it really did disappear, pretty sure it'll mention it in the item's description. Guess I can't trust Genshin wiki after finding out shit like this.
The Realm of Consciousness also does not shape eternity, with eternity being just an idea/ideology of Raiden Ei, not a concept like the Realm of Consciousness.
I never really said eternity was a concept, I'm fine with removing the eternity part.
Talking about this: Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Concept and "Eternity"]):

One's consciousness Realm need to be the realm itself to be an abstract existence (at least not an abstract existence in CM type 1/2), but consciousness only exists within the Realm of Consciousness, the Realm of Consciousness is a space (conceptual space if this CRT is accepted), and consciousness is within this space , it is not space.

"As its name suggests, a realm of consciousness is a physical space which contains a person's consciousness. It can be accessed via an entrance, which takes on a form that relates to its owner. The interior of a realm of consciousness is also influenced by its owner's memories."

And eternity is not a concept in this sense, just an idea of staying alive forever, or having things stay exactly the same forever (basically a Raiden Ei ideology).
I'm fine with removing the eternity part as I conceded before. Raiden Ei's Plane of Euthymia works rather differently since it was created when she placed her consciousness into that sword of hers. I suppose you can argue that the sword itself is actually the Plane of Euthymia by logic, but there was never really a direct statement that the Musou Isshin is the Plane of Euthymia. However, it is said that the Plane of Euthymia is Ei's inner world, and it might be an incarnation of Ei's consciousness instead. Even with that aside, I'm pretty sure abstract existence can still stand as Ei still exists as a form of consciousness which is pretty much an entity of thought, just that it won't be a concept.
Conceptual (Type 1) and Information (Type 2) Erasure:

The erasure of existence, as well as CM type 1 of the Realms of Consciousness in general, must be reduced to CM type 2, since Irminsul, despite affecting reality, has no evidence of existing independently of reality.

Irminsul is within the Realm of Consciousness and only connected to consciousness, it is not connected to the Realm of Consciousness.
Irminsul was Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness itself. The Realms of Consciousness exists separately from Teyvat. I already mentioned this in the OP.

@Elizhaa @Planck69 @Firestorm808 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Propellus Mind giving evaluations? Thanks.
 
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Tbh i disagree with concept cause the fact that later down on the GI wiki stated the realm is physical place, and information is type 1 not type 2 since it talking about memories and knowledges
For the article, Yae Miko's statement about it being an abstract concept was backed up with a reference that links you to the official quest where it took place, while the part about it being a physical space was not; obviously, it was a convenient wording by some user, lemme change it lmao

Information is Type 2 because the ley lines consist of elemental energy, which are the building blocks of the world. I have already gone over it in the OP.
 
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should ei have interdimensional range for being able to bfr you into another space (her realm) and attack you trough portals like shown in 2.1 cutscen?
I already told you on Discord. However, I'll make a statement here anyway to prevent further concerns from others about this. No, I don't think BFR would work since she's pulling opponents into her own realm, and if I recall Ei cannot leave her Plane of Euthymia. BFR defines the ability to remove someone from the battlefield, hence the opponent can't interact with you; Ei would be doing the exact opposite.
 
Not really. Makoto's realm of consciousness actually still existed after her consciousness faded away. It was mentioned Makoto's realm of consciousness is rooted into Inazuma's past, which pretty much translates to the region's history. I can let the "eternity" part slide though, I admit the term is rather vaguely defined and quite ambiguous to be considered a part of Makoto's realm of consciousness.
This scan doesn't say anything about Makoto's Realm of Consciousness remaining, it just says that the "Dream Sakura" given to the Traveler in the Realm of Consciousness remained, which is not necessary for the Realm of Consciousness to remain, as Dream Sakura comes from the Sakura Tree, and not from the Realm of Consciousness structure.
Afterwards, Makoto's strength and consciousness was expended, and her realm of consciousness disappeared.
As for Rukkhadevata, she was erased from Irminsul and thus her connection to it was also gone. Now, take into consideration that her realm of consciousness was Irminsul itself, not to mention she wanted to be erased. Rukkhadevata was completely erased from the game itself after she was erased from Irminsul, which caused all of history to be altered and she herself was erased from history. Since Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness is Irminsul from 500 years ago, that past incarnation of Irminsul never existed because Rukkhadevata was completely erased from Teyvat's history. All of this should say that there was definitely something else that caused Rukkhadevata to disappear and not simply because her consciousness got erased -- I already explained why the premise declaring one's consciousness ceasing to exist also causes the Realm of Consciousness to disappear, is rather false.
Rukkha's Realm of Consciousness is not Irminsul itself in the past, Irminsul just is within, Irminsul just has direct connection with Rukkha consciousness.
Paimon: Huh, this sure seems very different from what Paimon imagined... Shouldn't Irminsul be in this realm of consciousness?
Nahida: Yes, that is our destination, but I didn't expect the remaining consciousness of Greater Lord Rukkhadevata to be as polluted as this.
Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: The disaster occurred together with the pollution of forbidden knowledge. At that very moment, with my consciousness connected to Irminsul, I sensed something was wrong.
And you are wrong in one thing, Irminsul by erasing Rukkha's existence, only caused her existence to be forgotten from everyone's mind and have her existence erased, the fact that she existed in the past and everything she did in the past still exists, since Irminsul cannot change events, everything that happened to Rukkha still happened, just no one remembers.
To accommodate the loss of information, anything pertaining to information that belongs to the world of Teyvat may be changed, ranging from people's memories to physical objects such as books and letters. However, the actual events, their overall results, and overarching historical impacts remain unchanged. Those who belong to the world of Teyvat, including the Archons, can have their impressions of Teyvat's history altered; they will be unaware of any such changes. Notably, Paimon is also affected
There is no change in the past/history, everything Rukkha did remains unchanged, Irminsul cannot change events that happened in the past.
I never really said eternity was a concept, I'm fine with removing the eternity part
Ok
I'm fine with removing the eternity part as I conceded before. Raiden Ei's Plane of Euthymia works rather differently since it was created when she placed her consciousness into that sword of hers. I suppose you can argue that the sword itself is actually the Plane of Euthymia by logic, but there was never really a direct statement that the Musou Isshin is the Plane of Euthymia. However, it is said that the Plane of Euthymia is Ei's inner world, and it might be an incarnation of Ei's consciousness instead. Even with that aside, I'm pretty sure abstract existence can still stand as Ei still exists as a form of consciousness which is pretty much an
As I said, it can have abstract existence by being purely a consciousness, but not abstract existence in CM, since pure consciousness is not a CM.
Irminsul was Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness itself. The Realms of Consciousness exists separately from Teyvat. I already mentioned this in the OP.
And this does not prove that they are independent concepts, especially the Realms of Consciousness, since they cannot exist without the consciousness of their owner, something that is even mentioned in the link in your OP.
Afterwards, Makoto's strength and consciousness was expended, and her realm of consciousness disappeared.
After Kusanali erased Rukkhadevata's existence and remaining consciousness, her realm of consciousness, which Kusanali now believed to be that of Irminsul from five hundred years ago, disappeared.
And Irminsul is not the Realm of Consciousness itself, it is just contained within it, I have already shown proof of this.
 
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And Irminsul is not the Realm of Consciousness itself, it is just contained within it, I have already shown proof of this.
Isn't rukhadevata consciousness connected to irminsul, that's why erasing forbidden knowledge in rukhadevatta consciousness = Erasing forbidden knowledge as a whole in irminsul. which means that Rukhadevatta's consciousness is irminsul itself, and this is also why she is called the embodiment of irminsul
 
This scan doesn't say anything about Makoto's Realm of Consciousness remaining, it just says that the "Dream Sakura" given to the Traveler in the Realm of Consciousness remained, which is not necessary for the Realm of Consciousness to remain, as Dream Sakura comes from the Sakura Tree, and not from the Realm of Consciousness structure.
Ah, yeah, checked my updated comment, preferably the "edit" section.
Rukkha's Realm of Consciousness is not Irminsul itself in the past, Irminsul just is within, Irminsul just has direct connection with Rukkha consciousness.

And you are wrong in one thing, Irminsul by erasing Rukkha's existence, only caused her existence to be forgotten from everyone's mind and have her existence erased, the fact that she existed in the past and everything she did in the past still exists, since Irminsul cannot change events, everything that happened to Rukkha still happened, just no one remembers.
It seems like you linked a random article itself. Nothing really mentioned that events cannot be strictly changed on there except that changing of information of Teyvat won't alter the effects of history. Yeah, sure, events weren't altered but Rukkhadevata still got erased from history; events pertaining to her still being intact don't rlly disapprove it, and IIRC, Nahida replaced her in the Where the Boat of Consciousness Lies quest.
And this does not prove that they are independent concepts, especially the Realms of Consciousness, since they cannot exist without the consciousness of their owner, something that is even mentioned in the link in your OP.
It was said it was built on it, but doesn't exactly serve as the foundation of those concepts.
 
Isn't rukhadevata consciousness connected to irminsul, that's why erasing forbidden knowledge in rukhadevatta consciousness = Erasing forbidden knowledge as a whole in irminsul. which means that Rukhadevatta's consciousness is irminsul itself, and this is also why she is called the embodiment of irminsul
Yes, her consciousness is connected to Irminsul, I already said that, but Irminsul is not the Realm of Consciousness itself (nor is Rukkha's own consciousness), that is my point.

Explaining in a few words, the reason why "erasing Rukkha's consciousness = erasing the corruption of Irminsul", is due to the fact that the remaining consciousness of Rukkha that existed in Irminsul was the only thing that still had corruption in Irminsul (this corruption happened due to the corruption that had happened to Irminsul previously, due to the connection of Rukkha's consciousness and Irminsul, she ended up being corrupted), so erasing the last corrupted thing in Irminsul, erased all the corruption in Irminsul.

Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: But... things didn't go as smoothly as I thought. I had a terrible headache, which gave me an uneasy feeling...

Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: And then, I remembered that my consciousness was also connected with Irminsul. It brought me knowledge and wisdom, but vile corruption as well.

Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: From the very beginning, my existence had been polluted by the forbidden knowledge.

Paimon: Oh no... How could that happen...

Nahida: I've experienced that pain in your consciousness. It must've been a horrible experience.

Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: Yes, but my feelings weren't important. The important thing was that...

Greater Lord Rukkhadevata: Even if I died, my existence and everything related to me would continue to exist in Irminsul as memories and knowledge, meaning that the forbidden knowledge couldn't ever be permanently eradicated.
 
Yes, her consciousness is connected to Irminsul, I already said that, but Irminsul is not the Realm of Consciousness itself (nor is Rukkha's own consciousness), that is my point.

Explaining in a few words, the reason why "erasing Rukkha's consciousness = erasing the corruption of Irminsul", is due to the fact that the remaining consciousness of Rukkha that existed in Irminsul was the only thing that still had corruption in Irminsul (this corruption happened due to the corruption that had happened to Irminsul previously, due to the connection of Rukkha's consciousness and Irminsul, she ended up being corrupted), so erasing the last corrupted thing in Irminsul, erased all the corruption in Irminsul.
Seems like it was said that Irminsul is actually inside of her realm of consciousness by official information from the quest. I was referring to this part on the realm of consciousness genshin article, where it said the realm of consciousness was Irminsul itself. Meh, still technically the same thing.
 
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