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Rainbow Deer vs Psychic Hedgehog
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Can someone tell me why the Deer is getting wins? Gimme some arguments real quick.
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Or just....read the thread?Godhand1999 said:
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How? It can upgrade it's stats sure, but then it'll be about on par with Silver. Silver still can hurt him and if Xerneas uses an ability called "Close Combat" it'll lower it's defenses which'll make it more suspectible to Silver's attacks. Silver can use Chaos Control, so there's no reason to think that he can't stop time. He's about as skilled as Shadow is, they literally both activated Chaos Control at the same time in their battle which created a time portal into the past. Anybody who can use Chaos Control should have the ability to mainpulate space and time.The real cal howard said:
BTW About the stat increases. Silver has an "Aura" state where he can activate his true power (In his ESP State, it says Silver has grown stronger and discovered his "true" power). This should allow him to overcome whatever stat increase Xerneas throws at him. Silver also has loads of tricks where he can use perception mainpulation, vertigo, and mind mainpulation to mess up Xerneas. Silver itsn't some run on the mill telekentic he's been fighting Iblis an actual God back to back for awhile now. So, I'm not sure if Xerneas's gravity abilities will do much against Silver.
Silver also has the color powers here. He literally has a one hit kill, transmutation, and another that can bypass durability. Silver should win this effectively.
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How would it be on par after buffs? Xerneas starts off stronger than Silver. Xerneas knows the negatives to Close Combat so I doubt it'd use it if it didn't expect to win right there. Silver knows Chaos Control but he's never canonically used it to stop time (correct me if I'm wrong). The most he's done was open portals. Silver's ESP state would have its buffs copied by Psych Up while Silver's status conditions get Aromatherapy'd away. Not sure what fighting Iblis or Solaris would have to do with Silver's prowess especially given how Xerneas has fought the manifestation of death as its equal and opposite and llama god went out of its way to keep Xerneas from dying. Like Blaze, Ring Time is incredibly ooc for Silver and same with color powers, given he has much more useful abilities that he actively uses.
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Because Xerneas is "at least planet level" while Silver is a solid planet level character. The buffs are gonna boost Xerneas yes, but Silver has his ESP state which will further increase his power so the buffs are meaningless. Silver doesn't need to show himself stopping time, if he matched Shadow's Chaos Control with his own then Silver has the ability to control space/time like he could. Anybody who can use Chaos Control can stop, slow down, or mainpulate space/time as they see fit.The real cal howard said:
You know for a guy who's supposedly has the AP advantage, why would Xerneas want Silver's stats to begin with? Wouldn't that be a bad thing making both equal footing with each other? Also, Xerneas can't copy his abilities so this point is moot lmao. Silver outhaxes.
It has a lot to do with the fact that Silver has fought powerful beings like Xerneas before, lol. So, his gravity abilities aren't going to be an easy counter towards Silver's teleknetic powers.
It doesn't matter. Whatever is in his arsenal, Silver will use. Silver is even MORE of a combat pragmist than Blaze is. Silver will do whatever it takes to ensure that he can win this match. Enough of this ooc stuff and just debate lmao.
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"Ring Time is incredibly ooc for Silver"
Except he's a combat pragmatist. If he has an object he knows how to use and wants to use it in combat, he'll go for it to secure a win. That's what happened with his fight with Shadow when he used Chaos Control to turn the tide to his favor.
Except he's a combat pragmatist. If he has an object he knows how to use and wants to use it in combat, he'll go for it to secure a win. That's what happened with his fight with Shadow when he used Chaos Control to turn the tide to his favor.
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Oh, geez. This is gonna be Rayquaza vs. Blaze again, arguing whether using Wisps are in-character.
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>Because Xerneas is "at least planet level" while Silver is a solid planet level character. The buffs are gonna boost Xerneas yes, but Silver has his ESP state which will further increase his power so the buffs are meaningless.
As already stated before, Psych Up will let Xerneas copy the stat increases that Silvers ESP's would increase his stats by, so no the buffs are very relevant.
> Silver doesn't need to show himself stopping time, if he matched Shadow's Chaos Control with his own then Silver has the ability to control space/time like he could.
This....is not how this works at all. Having a power that can be used on the same level as someone elses doesnt mean you can use a specific hax ability to the same extent as them.
>You know for a guy who's supposedly has the AP advantage, why would Xerneas want Silver's stats to begin with? Wouldn't that be a bad thing making both equal footing with each other?
Because Xerneas will clearly not want to get overpowered or outmatched in stat buffs? This is common sense.
>It has a lot to do with the fact that Silver has fought powerful beings like Xerneas before, lol. So, his gravity abilities aren't going to be an easy counter towards Silver's teleknetic powers.
Xerneas's gravity control is great enough to the point where the energy it unleashes as a non-combative tree of life allows the planet to revolve around the sun. Constantly. For billions and billions of years. If Silvers telekinetic powers are not on this level, I seriously doubt Xerneas not being able to easily counter it.
>It doesn't matter. Whatever is in his arsenal, Silver will use
Not how this works at all, but okay.
>Silver will do whatever it takes to ensure that he can win this match. Enough of this ooc stuff and just debate lmao.
Except no, we arent going to drop it because thats debates work here. We go by in-character stips and if its out of character, its out of character.
And your talking to someone who hates this standard just as much, or even moreso, than you.
As already stated before, Psych Up will let Xerneas copy the stat increases that Silvers ESP's would increase his stats by, so no the buffs are very relevant.
> Silver doesn't need to show himself stopping time, if he matched Shadow's Chaos Control with his own then Silver has the ability to control space/time like he could.
This....is not how this works at all. Having a power that can be used on the same level as someone elses doesnt mean you can use a specific hax ability to the same extent as them.
>You know for a guy who's supposedly has the AP advantage, why would Xerneas want Silver's stats to begin with? Wouldn't that be a bad thing making both equal footing with each other?
Because Xerneas will clearly not want to get overpowered or outmatched in stat buffs? This is common sense.
>It has a lot to do with the fact that Silver has fought powerful beings like Xerneas before, lol. So, his gravity abilities aren't going to be an easy counter towards Silver's teleknetic powers.
Xerneas's gravity control is great enough to the point where the energy it unleashes as a non-combative tree of life allows the planet to revolve around the sun. Constantly. For billions and billions of years. If Silvers telekinetic powers are not on this level, I seriously doubt Xerneas not being able to easily counter it.
>It doesn't matter. Whatever is in his arsenal, Silver will use
Not how this works at all, but okay.
>Silver will do whatever it takes to ensure that he can win this match. Enough of this ooc stuff and just debate lmao.
Except no, we arent going to drop it because thats debates work here. We go by in-character stips and if its out of character, its out of character.
And your talking to someone who hates this standard just as much, or even moreso, than you.
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That's how Chaos Control works, it's the ability to control time and space, Silver can use it then he can use all of the aspects of it, teleporting, stopping time, etc. are all Chaos Control, it isn't Chaos teleport or Chaos stop time, all those abilities come from manupulating time and space, that's where where it comes the abilities, all from manupulating time and space,if you can use that ability them you can do all of it, also Silver was going to manipulate time as well when he used it so he definaly can stop time, there's no específic ability of Chaos Control, manupulating time and space is Chaos Control, if Silver can use that ability them he can stop time, especialy since he used to counter Shadow's time stop
Also psych up is slower than Chaos Control, that ability takes 4 seconds while Chaos Control takes 3 seconds.
And Silver using those abilities is in character, he used them whenever he had acess to them
Silver can also grap Sonic who is unafeccted by a Black Hole gravity, which is greater than the revolution of the Earth, so he can grap Xerneas
Also psych up is slower than Chaos Control, that ability takes 4 seconds while Chaos Control takes 3 seconds.
And Silver using those abilities is in character, he used them whenever he had acess to them
Silver can also grap Sonic who is unafeccted by a Black Hole gravity, which is greater than the revolution of the Earth, so he can grap Xerneas
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>That's how Chaos Control works, it's the ability to control time and space, Silver can use it then he can use all of the aspects of it, teleporting, stopping time, etc. are all Chaos Control, it isn't Chaos teleport or Chaos stop time, all those abilities come from manupulating time and space, that's where where it comes the abilities, all from manupulating time and space,if you can use that ability them you can do all of it, also Silver was going to manipulate time as well when he used it so he definaly can stop time, there's no específic ability of Chaos Control, manupulating time and space is Chaos Control, if Silver can use that ability them he can stop time, especialy since he used to counter Shadow's time stop
There's such a thing as a specific application of the ability in question, which time stop in this case would be. Chaos Control is not defined by solely one power, it's a set of loosely defined powers that are done via manipulating time and space. Silver having space-time control with Chaos Control doesnt mean he can use every single application of the ability automatically. Thats close to wank.
That is like saying any ninja in Naruto can use any jutsu because all Ninja manipulate and use chakra.
>Also psych up is slower than Chaos Control, that ability takes 4 seconds while Chaos Control takes 3 seconds.
This is stated, like, absolutely no where and is way too made up for me to take seriously. Where did you get 4 seconds from in the first place?
>And Silver using those abilities is in character, he used them whenever he had acess to them
Not early on. This is the equivalant to saying nothing can be out of character just because someone was access to a move. Thats not how this works.
>Silver can also grap Sonic who is unafeccted by a Black Hole gravity, which is greater than the revolution of the Earth, so he can grap Xerneas
For one, how big was this black hole?
Two, grabbing sonic physically doesnt mean Silver's telekinetic powers can do the same.
Three, even if the Black Hole has greater gravity, your ignoring how unbelievebly casual Xerneas's is. Xerneas does that on a constant daily basis for billions and billions of years, likely more and it does this in a non-combative state as the Tree of Life. It's quite obvious Xerneas can do more than that when actually trying to.
There's such a thing as a specific application of the ability in question, which time stop in this case would be. Chaos Control is not defined by solely one power, it's a set of loosely defined powers that are done via manipulating time and space. Silver having space-time control with Chaos Control doesnt mean he can use every single application of the ability automatically. Thats close to wank.
That is like saying any ninja in Naruto can use any jutsu because all Ninja manipulate and use chakra.
>Also psych up is slower than Chaos Control, that ability takes 4 seconds while Chaos Control takes 3 seconds.
This is stated, like, absolutely no where and is way too made up for me to take seriously. Where did you get 4 seconds from in the first place?
>And Silver using those abilities is in character, he used them whenever he had acess to them
Not early on. This is the equivalant to saying nothing can be out of character just because someone was access to a move. Thats not how this works.
>Silver can also grap Sonic who is unafeccted by a Black Hole gravity, which is greater than the revolution of the Earth, so he can grap Xerneas
For one, how big was this black hole?
Two, grabbing sonic physically doesnt mean Silver's telekinetic powers can do the same.
Three, even if the Black Hole has greater gravity, your ignoring how unbelievebly casual Xerneas's is. Xerneas does that on a constant daily basis for billions and billions of years, likely more and it does this in a non-combative state as the Tree of Life. It's quite obvious Xerneas can do more than that when actually trying to.
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Silver fra
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But Chaos Control doesn't have a specificaly ability, all of it's affects are simply different aplications of it, it isn't wank when it's never stated in the series that you need to know every aplications of Chaos Control. Chaos Control is nothing like Chakra, at all, in that verse is noted that you need to learn each aplications unlike Chaos Control. Teleporting, stopping time, etc. are just diferent forms of using Chaos Control, If you know it you can use them all.
This video the guy on it counts how many seconds It takes:https://youtu.be/fmiDOr-s7kk (12:00)
Silver used the wisps early on in every fight that he had acess to them.
The size of a Black Hole is irrelevant to it's gravity.
Silver grabbed him with his telekenisis dude
Even a casual feat is nowhere on the level of a gravity of a Black Hole, the gravity on it is at least thousands of times stronger than it
This video the guy on it counts how many seconds It takes:https://youtu.be/fmiDOr-s7kk (12:00)
Silver used the wisps early on in every fight that he had acess to them.
The size of a Black Hole is irrelevant to it's gravity.
Silver grabbed him with his telekenisis dude
Even a casual feat is nowhere on the level of a gravity of a Black Hole, the gravity on it is at least thousands of times stronger than it
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>But Chaos Control doesn't have a specificaly ability, all of it's affects are simply different aplications of it
Yes and just because you have the power doesnt mean you can use it in all of the same forms automatically. That is my point.
>it isn't wank when it's never stated in the series that you need to know every aplications of Chaos Control. Chaos Control is nothing like Chakra, at all, in that verse is noted that you need to learn each aplications unlike Chaos Control. Teleporting, stopping time, etc. are just diferent forms of using Chaos Control, If you know it you can use them all.
See above. Stopping time, teleportion and etc. are, again, different powers. Different applications of Chaos Control. Having Chaos Control doesnt mean you can automatically use all of those said applications wrapped up in one package. For all we know, Silver can only use one form or aspect of Chaos Control and not the rest. If Silvers only used Chaos Control for, say teleportation, then thats all he should get. He shouldnt automatically be handed the other forms of the power, much less automatically know how to use them.
And even then, that definitely doesnt mean Silver will immediately go for using it right away.
>This video the guy on it counts how many seconds It takes:https://youtu.be/fmiDOr-s7kk (12:00)
Um...a guy on a rant video about a death battle match is not evidence, at all. I was asking for an in-canon or in-verse confirmation.
>Silver used the wisps early on in every fight that he had acess to them.
And again, that does not mean he will choose to immediately use it as his go to move.
>The size of a Black Hole is irrelevant to it's gravity.
Uh, its absolutely relevant as not all black holes have the same levels of gravity as each other. It very much so depends on their size.
>Silver grabbed him with his telekenisis dude
Still irrelevant if the black hole size is insignificant.
>Even a casual feat is nowhere on the level of a gravity of a Black Hole, the gravity on it is at least thousands of times stronger than it
See above.
I'll be back later to counter more rebuttals.
Yes and just because you have the power doesnt mean you can use it in all of the same forms automatically. That is my point.
>it isn't wank when it's never stated in the series that you need to know every aplications of Chaos Control. Chaos Control is nothing like Chakra, at all, in that verse is noted that you need to learn each aplications unlike Chaos Control. Teleporting, stopping time, etc. are just diferent forms of using Chaos Control, If you know it you can use them all.
See above. Stopping time, teleportion and etc. are, again, different powers. Different applications of Chaos Control. Having Chaos Control doesnt mean you can automatically use all of those said applications wrapped up in one package. For all we know, Silver can only use one form or aspect of Chaos Control and not the rest. If Silvers only used Chaos Control for, say teleportation, then thats all he should get. He shouldnt automatically be handed the other forms of the power, much less automatically know how to use them.
And even then, that definitely doesnt mean Silver will immediately go for using it right away.
>This video the guy on it counts how many seconds It takes:https://youtu.be/fmiDOr-s7kk (12:00)
Um...a guy on a rant video about a death battle match is not evidence, at all. I was asking for an in-canon or in-verse confirmation.
>Silver used the wisps early on in every fight that he had acess to them.
And again, that does not mean he will choose to immediately use it as his go to move.
>The size of a Black Hole is irrelevant to it's gravity.
Uh, its absolutely relevant as not all black holes have the same levels of gravity as each other. It very much so depends on their size.
>Silver grabbed him with his telekenisis dude
Still irrelevant if the black hole size is insignificant.
>Even a casual feat is nowhere on the level of a gravity of a Black Hole, the gravity on it is at least thousands of times stronger than it
See above.
I'll be back later to counter more rebuttals.
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Chaos Control is manipulating time and space, it's one power, those are simply diferent uses of the same power, not diferent ones, every time that you teleport, stop time, etc. you are using the same ability, it's just it's usage is diferent. Silver uses Chaos Control in character
The guy counted the amount of time that took for each move,here psych up takes 4 seconds to finish meanwhile Chaos Control takes two as show here
He used them first every time that he had them like in this fight, that's exactaly what it means
The Black Hole was swaling Eggman's amusement park, it's on Sonic's profile:"at created a black hole that destroyed Eggman's interstellar amusement park, which was larger than the Earth" Sonic was unafected by it's gravity
The guy counted the amount of time that took for each move,here psych up takes 4 seconds to finish meanwhile Chaos Control takes two as show here
He used them first every time that he had them like in this fight, that's exactaly what it means
The Black Hole was swaling Eggman's amusement park, it's on Sonic's profile:"at created a black hole that destroyed Eggman's interstellar amusement park, which was larger than the Earth" Sonic was unafected by it's gravity
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??????????????ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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im voting Fra Xernas.
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So is it grace now?.
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>As already stated before, Psych Up will let Xerneas copy the stat increases that Silvers ESP's would increase his stats by, so no the buffs are very relevant.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
How? They would literally be on the same exact footing. The buffs aren't even relevant as they aren't going to change the tide of battle.
>This....is not how this works at all. Having a power that can be used on the same level as someone elses doesnt mean you can use a specific hax ability to the same extent as them.
In the Sonic Series. Anybody who can use Chaos Control has access to stopping, slowing down, and warping space and time. Time manipulation is not only possible, but guaranteed in Silver's case.(It's even on his profile) The fact that Silver was able to match Shadow's Chaos Control ability only further showcases that they are equally skilled in the usage of space/time mainpulation.
>Because Xerneas will clearly not want to get overpowered or outmatched in stat buffs? This is common sense.
It's not going to make much of difference if he copies Silver's stats. They'll literally be on the same level. Both are planet level, what's Xerneas going to do? Copy his stat increase only to still be planet level at the end of the day? What's the point?
>Xerneas's gravity control is great enough to the point where the energy it unleashes as a non-combative tree of life allows the planet to revolve around the sun. Constantly. For billions and billions of years. If Silvers telekinetic powers are not on this level, I seriously doubt Xerneas not being able to easily counter it.
The problem with this is like you said, it can only release this type of energy when it's in it's non-combative state. How will this matter in combat? Unless it can release this kind of energy in it's regular form, this point is kind of moot. Show me evidence that Xerneas can use this kind of energy in combat and not in a state where he's incapable of fighting in.
>Not how this works at all, but okay.
I don't think you know anything about Silver's character. He literally does what it takes to win and he's not gonna be a sitting duck where he just picks and chooses what kind of ability he wants to use. He'll use whatever he can.
>Except no, we arent going to drop it because thats debates work here. We go by in-character stips and if its out of character, its out of character.
And your talking to someone who hates this standard just as much, or even moreso, than you.
And like I said above, none of you know Silver's character. He's a combat pragmatist and he'll take advantage of whatever ability he can to overcome the opponent.
For someone who says he hates this standard, you seem to be enjoying it.
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