Ragyō Kiryüin vs. Reinhard van Astrea

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

He can only one-shot with Matter Manipulation. Ragyō can easily refit his mind and memories if he hesitates.

 

[Ryukama]

He could immediately incapacitate her with Sleep Inducement as well. And still has every othe huge advantage on her.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Reinhard for above reasons.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

For sleep inducement he has to get up close and put his hand over her face like he did with felt, he probably won't get that chance here.

 

[Ryukama]

Okay. But I still think this is a stomp. I don't mind it being added if other staff are fine though. It just does seem to be a mismatch.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Massive advantage in literally every department and having one Hax that she won't even activate first and I'm damn sure this is a stomp.

Unless Ragyo uses it first and it can quickly affect Reinhard, she loses, and badly, in fact, I'm fairly certain he doesn't need matter manipulation.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Huh? If Reinhard diddles around a little, Ragyō refits his mind. Also, explain the massive advantages you're speaking of. Things like superior range, versatility, experience and all that don't make matches a stomp. Even if Reinhard has an AP or durability advantage, it doesn't matter if he doesn't go for Matter Manipulation since Ragyō's Regenerationn will take care of all the damage and since her hax ignores durability, she'll go on to refit Reinhard's mind or memories. I just don't understand how it's a stomp.

 

[LordAizenSama]

I agree with Burning. It may be decisive but not a stomp. Put some effort into your debating and stop crying stomp people.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Huh? If Reinhard diddles around a little, Ragyō refits his mind. Also, explain the massive advantages you're speaking of. Things like superior range, versatility, experience and all that don't make matches a stomp. Even if Reinhard has an AP or durability advantage, it doesn't matter if he doesn't go for Matter Manipulation since Ragyō's Regenerationn will take care of all the damage and since her hax ignores durability, she'll go on to refit Reinhard's mind or memories. I just don't understand how it's a stomp.

The "Massive Advantage"....

Is literally everything, there isn't a single thing Ragyo can do that Reinhard doesn't do better, she has one Hax and we don't even know how affective it is due to zero evidence being provided as to how fast it works, it's range, and how fast it works.

Also lol, Reinhard of all people fiddling around.

If anyone here has seen Kill La Kill please just show evidence of how good it is.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Again, mention the 'literally everything'. So, Reinhard can adjust memories now? I already said that things like superior skill, range and experience don't make matches stomps. It was Ryu that told me himself in Ryüko vs Sheele and the girl is a glass cannon (and I've also heard it in other places). The only hax that Reinhard has that is of note here is his Matter Manipulation. If he doesn't have it, he loses. And no one would be calling it a stomp despite the 'massive advantages' you've been mentioning.

I said 'fiddle around' because you didn't seem to understand when I said hesitating.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

If Reinhard doesn't have Matter Manipulation then Ragyo only wins via her regen, you still, despite my request, haven't shown me how good Ragyo's memory manipulation is, unless there's a showing that it can quickly work mid battle against someone if her caliber.

Reinhard with Reid hesitating? At what point has he with Reid EVER hesitated?

Reinhard only beats Ryouko using her matter manipulation and that was considered a stomp, why is this different?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

She adjusted Ryüko's memories and made her believe she lived a good life with her all along and also made Ryüko fall in love with and kiss Nui, who killed her daddy. That said, I don't really remember Kill la Kill. Also, her threads are intangible meaning they ignore durability.

I didn't necessarily say he hesitates, the only reason Reinhard is winning is because he goes straight for the kill. I was just trying to say if Reinhard doesn't go straight for the one-shot, Ragyō refits his mind.

Ragyō has hax. Ryüko doesn't. Also, I heavily disagree with calling matches stomps because their high level Regenerationn can be bypassed while matches where the opponent can't get past the Regenerationn aren't. In fact, I prefer matches where a character has a chance of bypassing his opponent's Regenerationn.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

That doesn't really help at all, how fast did it work, did she do it mid fight?

Considering that we don't know how fast the mind manipulation works, there's still a chance the Reinhard can just do it again, and win, is it instantaneous, does it take time?

Will she use it first in character?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I don't know how fast it works, but it's combat usable. It should be as soon as the threads connect. Why would there be a delay of 10 seconds or whatever?

Do what again? Use Reid? I doubt so when he would be thinking Ragyō's his girlfriend. Anyway, let's wait for Ryu on this.

Yes, I've seen in various threads that she uses her hax in character.

 

[ZERO7772]

Don't count my vote yet i still think this is stomp

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I would have removed Gargoyle's vote too but I think it's too much work.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

she'll go on to refit Reinhard's mind or memories. I just don't understand how it's a stomp.

Problem here is, even though she can hypothetically use her thread to refit Reinhard's mind. Reinhard's own precog hax would allow him to dodge her threads. And that leaves her with really, really limited option against him. Her best option is denied for her.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Oh yeah, she has to actually hit Reinhard, a guy who can see all possible futures.

 

[Ryukama]

Ragyō has hax. Ryüko doesn't. Also, I heavily disagree with calling matches stomps because their high level Regenerationn can be bypassed while matches where the opponent can't get past the Regenerationn aren't. In fact, I prefer matches where a character has a chance of bypassing his opponent's Regenerationn.

Ryuko has 3 losses now. Matches don't become stomps only because they can bypass the regen.

But my point of contention was that, at least from what I have heard in other threads, Reinhard hugely outclasses Ragyo in most areas along with his hax. I'd agree that those advantages alone don't immediately make something a stomp. However what I was saying was that there is nothing that she isn't heavily beaten in.

Like I said earlier I'm fine with this being added if others agree this isn't a stomp though. And considering Ragyo apparently does have at least the possibility to one shot with her hax, this is considerably fairer than him vs Ryuko.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

@Ryu

Isn't that why Ryüko vs Vader was closed? Because she had no counter to vaporization?

 

[Ryukama]

I wasn't involved in that thread. I'm not sure.

But regardless like I said, I'm fine with this being added.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

It was

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

@Gargoyle

Were you in the thread?

 

[Gargoyle_1]

No I read it.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Actually thinking about it, this could be a stomp, if ragyo's mind manipulation comes from her threads, them being intangible, or invisible is irrelevant due to reinhard's precog which works off his intuition and distinguishes all attacks in advance. Ragyo would never hit him, and reinhard could just one shot her with his matter manipulation, or if he wanted just get theresia's blessing which leave wounds that not even cellular Regenerationn could heal.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I think Ragyō's Regenerationn is molecular in nature though I've never seen proof. I forgot about Reinhard's precognition, so yeah it should probably be closed.