[R1M8] Vene's Country Class Tourney: Stickman Hero vs Deku

[VeneficaAuthor]

Original Tourney Thread
Tourney Bracket
Votes

Character	Key	Votes
Stickman Hero​	End of Adventures	0
Deku​	Dark Hero Arc	0
Inconclusive		0

Welcome to VeneficaAuthor's Country Class Tourney! In this tourney 16 country class heavyweights are competing for a special championship. There can only be one champion, so may the strongest win!

In the eighth match, it'll be Stickman Hero vs Deku!

Rules

• 100 meters starting distance with equal speed.
• Speed Equalized
• Fight takes place in an endlessly expansive and empty/ruined city
• Flame Body restricted

Stickman Hero is at 6-B.
Deku is at 6-B.

 

[MintyBoi1]

So SMH has a 1.3x AP advantage in base and 2.6x with Flame Body and takes LS by a good margin. But Izuku has Analytical Prediction and Danger Sense to avoid being beaten in CQC or by ranged attacks. Speaking of, Deku has better range which he should capitalize on with air attacks once he realizes SMH’s flames are too hot to handle. That plus Fa Jin increasing his speed, Float letting him fly, and Smokescreen hiding him should give him a good chance of piling on enough damage to beat SMH before he’s burned too heavily.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So SMH has a 1.3x AP advantage in base and 2.6x with Flame Body and takes LS by a good margin. But Izuku has Analytical Prediction and Danger Sense to avoid being beaten in CQC or by ranged attacks. Speaking of, Deku has better range which he should capitalize on with air attacks once he realizes SMH’s flames are too hot to handle. That plus Fa Jin increasing his speed, Float letting him fly, and Smokescreen hiding him should give him a good chance of piling on enough damage to beat SMH before he’s burned too heavily.

Don't forget about Gear Shift.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Don't forget about Gear Shift.

Sadly with the revisions coming, the keys where he can use that will not be allowed due to being 6-A/High 6-A.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

I think Stickman Hero could just end the fight quickly by incinerating the entire area. Danger Sense might be able to warn Deku to get away quickly but he shouldn't be able to get over a kilometer away before Stickman Hero does so. Also, about Deku's range advantage, Stickman Hero could just copy the abilities allowing him to reach that far. In fact, there's nothing stopping Stickman Hero from copying One For All. He isn't stealing the ability, so it could definitely work, and SMH is an extremely quick learning with copied abilities. Sure, Deku has insane skill feats, but they're both ranked as Genius and Stickman Hero has a lot more versatile stuff. Analytical Prediction shouldn't help immediately against someone you don't know at all.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Sadly with the revisions coming, the keys where he can use that will not be allowed due to being 6-A/High 6-A.

It's not that way yet so fire away.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think Stickman Hero could just end the fight quickly by incinerating the entire area. Danger Sense might be able to warn Deku to get away quickly but he shouldn't be able to get over a kilometer away before Stickman Hero does so. Also, about Deku's range advantage, Stickman Hero could just copy the abilities allowing him to reach that far. In fact, there's nothing stopping Stickman Hero from copying One For All. He isn't stealing the ability, so it could definitely work, and SMH is an extremely quick learning with copied abilities. Sure, Deku has insane skill feats, but they're both ranked as Genius and Stickman Hero has a lot more versatile stuff. Analytical Prediction shouldn't help immediately against someone you don't know at all.

He can't copy One For All, there's literally a Classmate of Deku's who has the ability to perfectly copy Quirks and it didn't copy any of Deku's abilities.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

It's not that way yet so fire away.

The match would be outdated then though.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

He can't copy One For All, there's literally a Classmate of Deku's who has the ability to perfectly copy Quirks and it didn't copy any of Deku's abilities.

Monoma during Joint Training Arc already had copied someone else's quirk and was doing a fake out iirc. He never attempted to copy One For All. Also Monoma's copying is nothing like Stickman Hero's. Monoma has to touch someone to get their quirk and he only gets it for five minutes. Stickman Hero just needs to see the ability and he gets it permanently. Better yet, even if Deku thinks about using OFA, Stickman Hero is literally a telepath and could copy it from there.

 

[MintyBoi1]

I think Stickman Hero could just end the fight quickly by incinerating the entire area. Danger Sense might be able to warn Deku to get away quickly but he shouldn't be able to get over a kilometer away before Stickman Hero does so. Also, about Deku's range advantage, Stickman Hero could just copy the abilities allowing him to reach that far. In fact, there's nothing stopping Stickman Hero from copying One For All. He isn't stealing the ability, so it could definitely work, and SMH is an extremely quick learning with copied abilities. Sure, Deku has insane skill feats, but they're both ranked as Genius and Stickman Hero has a lot more versatile stuff. Analytical Prediction shouldn't help immediately against someone you don't know at all.

Wouldn’t flight stop that? Also Deku’s air manipulation mainly comes from the shockwaves of his attacks, so copying that would mean he is basically copying punching really hard which doesn’t help too much. And Deku has predicted people he’s never met before like Lady Nagant.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Monoma during Joint Training Arc already had copied someone else's quirk and was doing a fake out iirc. He never attempted to copy One For All. Also Monoma's copying is nothing like Stickman Hero's. Monoma has to touch someone to get their quirk and he only gets it for five minutes. Stickman Hero just needs to see the ability and he gets it permanently. Better yet, even if Deku thinks about using OFA, Stickman Hero is literally a telepath and could copy it from there.

Actually the reason Monoma couldn’t copy OFA was because his body couldn’t handle it and because it has to stockpile power. SMH likely has enough power though. But how would Telepathy work with The Vestige’s in Deku’s head? They could likely kick him out like they did AFO.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Wouldn’t flight stop that? Also Deku’s air manipulation mainly comes from the shockwaves of his attacks, so copying that would mean he is basically copying punching really hard which doesn’t help too much. And Deku has predicted people he’s never met before like Lady Nagant.

Couldn't Stickman Hero just gives chase with fire blasts? He has flight of his own that he has much more experience with than Deku. Lady Nagant had a giant gun for an arm so obviously he would know that her quirk is shooting bullets. Stickman Hero doesn't give any visual hints with his appearance alone outside of Flame Body, which unfortunately is restricted.

Actually the reason Monoma couldn’t copy OFA was because his body couldn’t handle it and because it has to stockpile power. SMH likely has enough power though. But how would Telepathy work with The Vestige’s in Deku’s head? They could likely kick him out like they did AFO.

Right, so he could still just copy One For All if he sees it.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Couldn't Stickman Hero just gives chase with fire blasts? He has flight of his own that he has much more experience with than Deku. Lady Nagant had a giant gun for an arm so obviously he would know that her quirk is shooting bullets. Stickman Hero doesn't give any visual hints with his appearance alone outside of Flame Body, which unfortunately is restricted.

Right, so he could still just copy One For All if he sees it.

He could but Deku has experience in aerial battles like him, so he could retaliate with air blasts and Black Chain. Izuku is a very quick learner, expertly using Float during both of the wars, so SMH’s experience shouldn’t outweigh Deku’s skill too much. And I meant the part where Deku predicts her movement just based on a bullet’s trajectory. He’d be able to tell a bit of how SMH would approach him. Plus since Flame Body is restricted, he’s the only one here with stat amps. Faux 100% let him blitz Nagant’s bullet after it was already fired when she could tag him, so Fa Jin is definitely a big boost.

Still, he wouldn’t get the other quirks like Float and Danger Sense even if he could get the basic strength enhancement which just lets him fire air blasts and maybe Black Whip and others. Also Deku has been shown copying others like Froppy Style and Bakugo’s acrobatics, so he could adapt as SMH does and learn his movements.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Power has nothing to do with copying OFA, Monoma couldn’t copy it because OFA is a stockpiled ability. Copying it just means he copied everything it could do, not all that it had accumulated. So he gained the ability to stockpile power but nothing that had been stockpiled by the original because the strength itself and the abilities held within don’t carry over.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I think Stickman Hero could just end the fight quickly by incinerating the entire area. Danger Sense might be able to warn Deku to get away quickly but he shouldn't be able to get over a kilometer away before Stickman Hero does so. Also, about Deku's range advantage, Stickman Hero could just copy the abilities allowing him to reach that far. In fact, there's nothing stopping Stickman Hero from copying One For All. He isn't stealing the ability, so it could definitely work, and SMH is an extremely quick learning with copied abilities. Sure, Deku has insane skill feats, but they're both ranked as Genius and Stickman Hero has a lot more versatile stuff. Analytical Prediction shouldn't help immediately against someone you don't know at all.

Deku’s analytical prediction worked on someone he saw fight for 5 seconds.

Also, in speed equal, Deku absolutely can jump a kilometer away in an instant as they’re both MHS+ and he can speed amp with Fa Jin whenever he needs. Add on precog from Danger Sense and he’ll be moving before his opponent has even fully started blasting out flames.

Or he could just punch once and completely counter the flames with his air pressure attacks that extend tens of kilometers (actually thousands of kilometers as revealed in the finale) before they reach him while he retreats and avoids the flames (15x as hot as the sun I hate oc characters)

Gearshift makes this an absurd blitz as Stickman can’t react to anything Deku is doing, nor even perceive him in order to copy it, which would just make him start suffocating.

The AP gap is nonexistent as Deku is scaling to tanking hits from and stomping baseline 6-B+.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Gearshift makes this an absurd blitz as Stickman can’t react to anything Deku is doing, nor even perceive him in order to copy it, which would just make him start suffocating.

There’s no point in accounting for Gearshift since it’ll just make this match outdated. We’re using Dark Hero Arc.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

He could but Deku has experience in aerial battles like him, so he could retaliate with air blasts and Black Chain. Izuku is a very quick learner, expertly using Float during both of the wars, so SMH’s experience shouldn’t outweigh Deku’s skill too much.

With Stickman Hero's similar feats and better experience, Deku shouldn't be able to catch up to him quick enough in that regard.

And I meant the part where Deku predicts her movement just based on a bullet’s trajectory. He’d be able to tell a bit of how SMH would approach him.

What would he be able to tell if Stickman Hero immediately just flies toward him with fire blasts? Nagant can't fire nearly as fast as SMH can so he shouldn't be giving Deku enough time to predict.

Plus since Flame Body is restricted, he’s the only one here with stat amps. Faux 100% let him blitz Nagant’s bullet after it was already fired when she could tag him, so Fa Jin is definitely a big boost.

Here's the fun part: He held his own against Leaf Man for an extended period of time who was well over blitzing speed against him. He should be able to predict Faux 100% and block with fire shields.

Still, he wouldn’t get the other quirks like Float and Danger Sense even if he could get the basic strength enhancement which just lets him fire air blasts and maybe Black Whip and others. Also Deku has been shown copying others like Froppy Style and Bakugo’s acrobatics, so he could adapt as SMH does and learn his movements.

I guess they just cancel each other out then?

Power has nothing to do with copying OFA, Monoma couldn’t copy it because OFA is a stockpiled ability. Copying it just means he copied everything it could do, not all that it had accumulated. So he gained the ability to stockpile power but nothing that had been stockpiled by the original because the strength itself and the abilities held within don’t carry over.

This shouldn't mean anything because MHA and OLH don't have the same verse mechanics. Stickman Hero is gaining an exact copy of the ability he is seeing and shouldn't need to accumulate power the way OFA has.

Deku’s analytical prediction worked on someone he saw fight for 5 seconds.

Proof?

Also, in speed equal, Deku absolutely can jump a kilometer away in an instant as they’re both MHS+ and he can speed amp with Fa Jin whenever he needs. Add on precog from Danger Sense and he’ll be moving before his opponent has even fully started blasting out flames.

Like you said, they're both MHS+, and in Dark Hero Arc, I'm 99% sure he can't just use Fa Jin willy nilly. Stickman Hero should definitely be able to give chase.

Or he could just punch once and completely counter the flames with his air pressure attacks that extend tens of kilometers (actually thousands of kilometers as revealed in the finale) before they reach him while he retreats and avoids the flames (15x as hot as the sun I hate oc characters)

The whole air pressure argument kind of falls flat because now that I remember, Eric's air manip never really had an effect like that on Stickman Hero's fire. It could still just go straight through his air attacks. (And if you think that's bad, at least there's a lore reason for this. There are characters with even stronger heat than that for zero reason.)

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Uh, Dark Hero doesn’t have a 6-B key.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Sadly with the revisions coming, the keys where he can use that will not be allowed due to being 6-A/High 6-A.

I think this is coming soon.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Uh, Dark Hero doesn’t have a 6-B key.

Sadly with the revisions coming, the keys where he can use that will not be allowed due to being 6-A/High 6-A.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Why tf are we using Therefir’s sandbox of Deku’s speculative rating based on the POSSIBILITY that he will become 6-A?

Will not be interacting further if this is the basis.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Why tf are we using Therefir’s sandbox of Deku’s speculative rating based on the POSSIBILITY that he will become 6-A?

Will not be interacting further if this is the basis.

Isn’t it basically assured he will become continental? I just don’t want this match to become outdated.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Pretty sure Stickman Hero takes this. Are there any other arguments for Deku?

 

[MintyBoi1]

Yeah I’ll vote SMH since he can counter Deku’s kit and one shot him

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Budget Steven Universe FRA

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Hero fra

 

[MintyBoi1]

Hero fra

Had me confused for a sec