Quick Pokemon CRT - abilities

[Arceus0x]

So a ton of profiles have a problem, they lack abilities. I am currently editing the profiles and they've loads of abilities missing.
What i wanna do is do a basic revision that lets me add these abilities on sight.
There are a few common things that should be easy enough to add.

1. Anything that falls under this

Pokémon Profile Standards

There are currently over 1000 Pokémon, each part of the largest multimedia franchise in the entire world, spanning video games, comic books, TV shows, movies, and even trading cards. When dealing with a massive, ever-expanding verse of this magnitude, consistency is going to be vitally important...

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we basically get stuff that is basic fire, thunder, ectoplasm manip and ect.

it should be the basic of the basics.

2. Any move that boosts the pokemon's defense or offense should be Statistics reduction or amplification depending on what it is.

3. Scary face is Fear manipulation since its whole thing is to lower one's speed by making a horrid grimace and scaring them
This is the official description of the move: "The user frightens the target with a scary face to harshly lower its Speed stat." that appears in Sun and Moon, XY and more.

4. Night shade is illusion manipulation and limited durability negation
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The user makes the target see a frightening mirage. It inflicts damage matching the user's level.

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5. Any confusion move has been accepted to be Mind Manipulation since the dawn of vsbattles so any move that can inflict confusion should be either full on or limited mind manipulation.

6. Roar is limited fear manipulaiton
"The target is scared off, and a different Pokémon is dragged out. In the wild, this ends a battle against a single Pokémon"

7. Disable literally disables stuff so it should be powernull

8. Double team is a form of shadow clone creation so illusion creation i think

I would also like to revise Charizard's abilities and attacks which don't match the official attack set.

Overall that is it, i just need this so i can continue adding these bad boys up. If anyone can tell me anything else to add to the list then please do.

 

[Sniper670]

Well Porygon should have Data manipulation but I'm feeling lazy to dig for scans right now

You can look up Bulbapedia.

 

[theultimate5105]

Rotom should have time travel

XY081 - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net

 

[Sniper670]

Anyway, any Pokémon that can control dreams should have subjective reality/reality warping/Pocket Reality manipulation .... Dreams in Pokémon are reality

First Pokémon that comes to mind is Mismagius:

DP043 - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net

And Beheeyem:

BW045 - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net

 

[Imaginym]

I can't think of much AtM. Maybe stuff like Recover being cellular level regeneration, or Aurora Beam being Light Manipulation?

 

[Arceus0x]

I can't think of much AtM. Maybe stuff like Recover being cellular level regeneration, or Aurora Beam being Light Manipulation?

Recover is cellular?

 

[Imaginym]

Recover is cellular?

"Restoring its own cells, the user restores its own HP by half of its max HP."
Recover's in-game description, as of Black/White onwards.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

5. Any confusion move has been accepted to be Mind Manipulation since the dawn of vsbattles so any move that can inflict confusion should be either full on or limited mind manipulation.

Should be limited, since confusion wears off overtime as well. Also Pokémon can still sometimes attack normally so this isn't a full mind manip

7. Disable literally disables stuff so it should be powernull

Should be limited since disable wears off overtime, and after that it attacks normally

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

"Restoring its own cells, the user restores its own HP by half of its max HP."
Recover's in-game description, as of Black/White onwards.

I think that should be limited. No Pokémon have shown to regenerate after being reduced to cells (even the manga didn't), nor things like decapatation and such

 

[speedster352]

I think that should be limited. No Pokémon have shown to regenerate after being reduced to cells (even the manga didn't), nor things like decapatation and such

Would deoxysis and mewtwo count? They came back from cells.

 

[Sniper670]

Destiny Bond..... Durability Negation, fate manipulation or causality manipulation??

 

[Imaginym]

Disable should also be clarified:

RSE	Psychically disables one of the foe's moves.
Colo.XD	Psychically disables one of the target's moves.

Although, it seems like most anime, game & manga showings don't seem to be physical restraining, but seem to be ranged.

Maybe it means the type of restraining it inflicts is physical, as opposed to mental or magical or such? & later descriptions don't mention the physical aspect.

BWB2W2 XYORAS SMUSUMPE SwSh

For four turns, this move prevents the target from using the move it last used.

Anyone wanna take a look at its depictions & give their opinions?

Edit: I misread. It's PSYCHICALLY, not PHYSICALLY.

 

[Imaginym]

Destiny Bond..... Durability Negation, fate manipulation or causality manipulation??

I'd say check the depictions; I don't remember it exactly.

 

[Sniper670]

Would deoxysis and mewtwo count? They came back from cells.

Deoxys can regenerate as long as his core is intact. I don't know the instance for mewtwo

 

[Imaginym]

Deoxys can regenerate as long as his core is intact. I don't know the instance for mewtwo

Would we not consider that as evidence that Recover can provide cellular regeneration since a Pokemon that can do that can learn Recover?

 

[Sniper670]

Would we not consider that as evidence that Recover can provide cellular regeneration since a Pokemon that can do that can learn Recover?

Agreed. Pokedex entry clearly mentions restoration of cells for Recover, which falls in line with Deoxys regen

 

[Arceus0x]

Mewtwo used recover to heal a double chest impalement.
Him coming back from cells is his resurrection.

 

[speedster352]

Mewtwo used recover to heal a double chest impalement.
Him coming back from cells is his resurrection.

What is deoxysis regen again?

 

[Arceus0x]

Also in my comments XXKing should've left some scans before about Destiny Bond being fate manip.

I remember it being said during the fight between lt surge and morty in the manga

 

[Imaginym]

Agreed. Pokedex entry clearly mentions restoration of cells for Recover, which falls in line with Deoxys regen

Game description. It might be plausible that move descriptions are provided from the Pokedex, given it already does automatic analysises, but I'm not sure what evidence we have for or against move descriptions being provided by the Pokedex.

Mewtwo used recover to heal a double chest impalement.
Him coming back from cells is his resurrection.

It can't also be Regen?

Anyway, then....

I think that should be limited. No Pokémon have shown to regenerate after being reduced to cells (even the manga didn't), nor things like decapatation and such

Is this the stance to agree on for Recover?

 

[Arceus0x]

Considering Mewtwo's normal recover healed a double impalement it should have a certain potency to it

 

[Sniper670]

Also in my comments XXKing should've left some scans before about Destiny Bond being fate manip.

This Destiny Bond could be really op... You'd need resistance to fate manipulation or Aca 4 to resist

Hypothetically, a Pokémon can make a clone and tie the opponents fate to it, gg

 

[Sniper670]

I mean, Arbok regenerated from decapitation in the manga

And Alcremie also has recover, which falls in line with her ability to indefinitely regen/refill its cream

 

[Arceus0x]

Anyways the recover should be on the level of Low--Mid since it healed what is generally a fatal wound in an instant

 

[Arceus0x]

I mean, Arbok regenerated from decapitation in the manga

And Alcremie also has recover, which falls in line with her ability to indefinitely regen/refill its cream

So low mid to mid healing? ?

 

[Sniper670]

That's the safest option , yes. For those who have recover must haven't used it on screen

But those with showings will get the required regen level for it

 

[Imaginym]

Anyways the recover should be on the level of Low--Mid since it healed what is generally a fatal wound in an instant

When was this?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Most inatances have recover regenerating Pokémon's injuries, such as with Sabrina's Kadabra in the original series.

Aside from very specific cases, most Pokemon that uses the move only really regenerate injuries, but not on the level of decapatation and total cellular destruction

 

[Faron25]

Most inatances have recover regenerating Pokémon's injuries, such as with Sabrina's Kadabra in the original series.

Aside from very specific cases, most Pokemon that uses the move only really regenerate injuries, but not on the level of decapatation and total cellular destruction

Recover then could be High-low regeneration for a generic pokémon and higher depending on the single pokémon's physiology and feats.

 

[Imaginym]

Feels weird despite the main games claiming that it's cellular level regeneration, & we're denying it just because we can't see it. Cellular stuff typically CAN'T be seen with the "naked eye" that most things in media are viewed from.
But IIRC, the anime rarely, if ever gets into biological stuff, let alone talking about what's happening on a cellular level in battle, nor showing what's happening on a cellular level; That is, the lack of showing of the game's claimed regeneration level in the anime is presumably because the anime never gets as technical (& cellular stuff is both very technical/scientific, above the typical education level of the "target demographic", as well as invisible to the naked eye.) about such things.

Although, the manga omitting such details seems odd. Then again, the description may not have clarified such details until Gen 5 unless the JP version said otherwise, so maybe manga authors just didn't have that info about the move at the time they published the works?

 

[Sniper670]

From PLA :
"The user regenerates its cells to restore its own HP"

There are no anti feats tho. For one no Pokémon has been hurt to the extend it needs to regrow parts of its body. That doesn't mean anti feat, the scenario just hasn't happened

Another Pokemon with recover is staryu, and here's its entry:

"This Pokémon gets nibbled on by Lumineon and others. Thanks to its red core, it regenerates fast, so it's unconcerned by their snack attacks."

 

[Sniper670]

Anyway, Darkrai should get void creation.

"What is this place?""Never-ending darkness, stretching on for eternity in a world where nothing exists...""No need for concern.""Don't waste your time. I will never succumb to your nightmares."
"I see nothing... Feel nothing...""There is nothing but me within the chill of darkness...
"If you can accept a world of nothingness, then you can truly understand Darkrai's spirit. That's what it means to be together with Darkrai."

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Scary face is Fear manipulation since its whole thing is to lower one's speed by making a horrid grimace and scaring them
This is the official description of the move: "The user frightens the target with a scary face to harshly lower its Speed stat." that appears in Sun and Moon, XY and more.

6. Roar is limited fear manipulaiton
"The target is scared off, and a different Pokémon is dragged out. In the wild, this ends a battle against a single Pokémon"

That's Social Influencing.

Would we not consider that as evidence that Recover can provide cellular regeneration since a Pokemon that can do that can learn Recover?

"Restoring its own cells, the user restores its own HP by half of its max HP."
Recover's in-game description, as of Black/White onwards.

Cellular regeneration is, as far as I'm aware, the natural process in which wounds are healed. It’s just an slow process. Cells die and others come to replace it. For all the info here, Recover only speeds up the process.

I mean, Arbok regenerated from decapitation in the manga

This is a half-true.

In the Manga, an Arbok can have an special ability depending on it's marking pattern. Koga's Arbok special talent it's to be able to regenerate attacks as long as he keeps his head, which at best means that it's a power than only Arbok's with Koga's Arbok's marking posses or, at worst, an ability exclusive of Koga's Arbok. Either way, this doesn’t has anything to do with Recover at all.

Also, for all it's worth, it’s implied by Koga that Arbok regenerated overtime, as he claims that it regenerated "not long ago" despite that the Yellow arc happened over two years after the first fight between Red and Green against Koga.

 

[Imaginym]

That's Social Influencing.

A Roar that explicitly frightens the foe so as to scare them away isn't Fear Manipulation, it's Social Influencing...?

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

A Roar that explicitly frightens the foe so as to scare them away isn't Fear Manipulation, it's Social Influencing...?

"It should be noted simply terrorizing the opponent either by authority, strength or demeanour only would qualify as Social Influencing, as Fear Manipulation would allow the user to inflict fear regardless of these factors." From the Fear Manipulation page.

Fear Manipulation is a power that comes from the Empathic Manipulation umbrella; ergo, a supernatural control over someone’s emotions. Being able to produce terrifying roar or faces is not scaring them because you're inducing them to be afraid of you, you're scaring them because you're doing something that is scary. It’s simpler to explain when you change "fear" with something like "laugh".

 

[Sniper670]

Doesn't matter to me.... As long as the opponent gets scared, I'm good.

Roar is also willpower manipulation in some instances. The Roar forces opponents to lose their will to fight

 

[Sniper670]

Cellular regeneration is, as far as I'm aware, the natural process in which wounds are healed. It’s just an slow process. Cells die and others come to replace it. For all the info here, Recover only speeds up the process.

It's regeneration. So it's valid. I don't know where you getting at.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

It's regeneration. So it's valid. I don't know where you getting at.

I'm speaking about regen types, not about it being or not regeneration.

 

[Arceus0x]

I think Scary face is still fear manip since it scares people and lowers their speed

 

[Sniper670]

Well, I won't mind either way. Results are similar enough. You can take care of convincing Monkey_Dunno then.


Anyway, a little detour.
Where does Jirachi Fate manipulation come from? I know it can grant wishes, but I don't remember the last time it changed fate