Questions about NEP 1,2 and 3

[Frxwins]

I want to ask about Nonexistence Physiology, please don't explain it to the concept of binary numbers. From what I understand NEP 1&2 have a similar explanation, "Exist" and "not existing" at the same time, what I understand is like "a living nothingness"

• NEP 1 is a condition where a character "does not exist in the conventional sense", then what is not existing in the conventional sense? Does that mean there is "No Existence in the unconventional sense?" Are "Nothingness" and "Void" the Conventional Nothingness in question?
• NEP 2 is the condition where a character "transcends conventional nothingness", but how does it go beyond conventional nothingness? What are the conditions for something to be called "Beyond" Conventional Nothingness?
• NEP 3, This concept is a concept that I actually don't understand. What makes it different from types 1 and 2? Is this a condition where he is "nothing" who "is" where he is not completely "nothing"?
• Living as nothingness / void is included in the NEP category? if yes why?

 

[Stanobreak]

NEP 1 is a condition where a character "does not exist in the conventional sense", then what is not existing in the conventional sense? Does that mean there is "No Existence in the unconventional sense?

nep 1 are characters that possess a state of nothingness, usually They have no body, mind or soul (depending on the verse), they are the embodiment of nothingness or something like that

Are "Nothingness" and "Void" the Conventional Nothingness in question?

Yes,But it also depends on the context

NEP 2 is the condition where a character "transcends conventional nothingness", but how does it go beyond conventional nothingness? What are the conditions for something to be called "Beyond" Conventional Nothingness?

A simple explanation can be understood as Character A does not exist but They also do not exist The concept of “non-existence” or the context says It talks about nothingness, depending on the context

NEP 3, This concept is a concept that I actually don't understand. What makes it different from types 1 and 2? Is this a condition where he is "nothing" who "is" where he is not completely "nothing"?

I don't think it's different from nep 1, but it's a different type of context, like char A is still nothingness but they exist in a different Aspect.

Living as nothingness / void is included in the NEP category? if yes why?

There are characters who identify themselves as void, But it also depends on the context

 

[Frxwins]

nep 1 are characters that possess a state of nothingness, usually They have no body, mind or soul (depending on the verse), they are the embodiment of nothingness or something like that

Yes,But it also depends on the context

A simple explanation can be understood as Character A does not exist but They also do not exist The concept of “non-existence” or the context says It talks about nothingness, depending on the context

I don't think it's different from nep 1, but it's a different type of context, like char A is still nothingness but they exist in a different Aspect.

There are characters who identify themselves as void, But it also depends on the context

Does that mean NEP2 is more "nothing" than the concept of "nothingness" itself?

And What if a character is born before reality, does it fall into NEP Type 2?

 

[Stanobreak]

Điều đó có nghĩa là NEP2 "không có gì" hơn chính khái niệm "hư vô"?

they have no concept of nothingness

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

In simple words
NEP 1 means character do not exist in a conventional sence that their soul, mind, and body, are non-existent.

NEP 2 states character existence is lying in between existence and non existent, which means your neither in existence nor in non existence,

NEP 3 states Characters exist but act as if they don't when attacked. Or, characters may not exist but behave as if they do in specific aspects.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Hmm, I'll try to keep it in simple words, so let's start

First of all, what exactly is nothingness? Well, let's assume character A uses Existence Erasure on character B. Than, after it is done, what state "B" in? It doesn't exist. But this is not exactly NEP, as "B" not only no longer exists, he can't do anything either, nor does he have any sense of self etc, he's just, "Deleted".

Now lets say "B" gets erased, but even after erasure, he still has some characteristics that make him different from just "emptiness". For example, his physical body and soul are erased, but his "mind" still "exists", in the sense that he can still act with his mind. That is NEP1.

Although, this changes if the thing being talked about is a "Void", as a void isn't really a person but a place, something that is nothingness itself. That's why its NEP. But characters who embody the void, or have become one with the void, usually still have some form of characteristics that make them a living being, as said before, it can be their ability to still retain their thoughts, their mind, or something else, but lack other things that make up their existence.

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Now for NEP2, but for that, we have to take a separate example. Let's say there's a "Void", a NEP1 construct. Now, that Void "doesn't exist" in the sense of existence, or say, it doesn't have any characteristics that can make it "exist". Simply say, from the POV of someone who exists/is existence, the "Void" doesn't exist.

Now let's take this example further, something NEP2, in simple terms, would be something that "doesn't exist" even in the sense of conventional nonexistence/void. So to say, just like how a NEP1 void doesn't exist from the POV of someone that exists[assuming this person is completely normal, no supernatural ability etc.], a NEP2 void doesn't exist from the POV of someone or something that is NEP1[void].

However do note that simply "not existing to a void" won't make you NEP2, as you have to not exist from the sense/logic of both existence and conventional nonexistence/void. So to say, you have to be the opposite[not exist] of both existence and non-existence[NEP1], simultaneously.

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NEP3 is the most confusing here, as its something that can be gotten in combination to one of the previous types as well.


To put it in simple, let's say a character A "exists". Character B attacks "A", but at the time when he is attacked, he becomes/behaves as nonexistence, be it conventional or idealistic[nep2].

Hope this helps

 

[Furudo_Erika]

I've always viewed this in terms of binary, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence.

NEP1:
Is a "0", simple

NEP2:
Is something neither 1 nor 0, but in a state beyond either; a 2. I've also viewed this to being akin to the empty set {}. To be "nothing" still means to be "something", and that "something" is "nothingness" itself. Yet NEP2 is so "nothing" that not even "nothingness" exists.

Back to the empty set, {0}, which can represent conventional nothingness, but {} wouldn't even have that in it. I consider that to be a state of "absolute nothingness".

NEP3:
Unlike NEP2 which is neither 1 nor 0, NEP3 is BOTH 1 and 0 simultaneously.

To view this into sets that define "existence":
NEP1 = {0}
NEP2 = {}
NEP3 = {0,1}

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

NEP3:
Unlike NEP2 which is neither 1 nor 0, NEP3 is BOTH 1 and 0 simultaneously.

I can agree to the NEP1 and 2 analogy, but that type 3 description of yours seems a bit off.
Since NEP3 is not simply being both, but also being able to change between both, when attacked or when interacting with others.

So to say, with that much, something that is, in the true definition, "Omnipresent" within a setting, that is being 0 and 1 simultaneously, where there exist both existence and nonexistence constructs in said setting, won't be NEP3 off the bat. There's more to this.

Another problem is that, NEP3 can also be applied to existence and true nothingness, that is, NEP2 and existence simultaneously. In your analogy of representing it with sets, that should be {1,2}, or in some rare cases, even {0,1,2} -- [Omnipresent to existence, NEP1 and NEP2 constructs]

 

[Blackdragonq1]

Yokluk Fizyolojisi ile ilgili bir şey sormak istiyorum lütfen ikili sayı kavramıyla açıklamayın. Anladığım kadarıyla NEP 1 ve 2'nin de benzer bir açıklaması var, aynı anda "Var" ve "var değil", benim anladığım şey "yaşayan bir hiçlik" gibi

• NEP 1, bir karakterin "geleneksel anlamda var olmadığı" bir durumdur, o halde geleneksel anlamda ne yoktur? Bu "alışılmışın dışında bir Varoluş olmadığı" anlamına mı geliyor? "Hiçlik" ve "Boşluk", Geleneksel Hiçlik mi söz konusu?
• NEP 2, bir karakterin "geleneksel hiçliği aştığı" durumdur, ancak geleneksel hiçliğin ötesine nasıl geçebilir? Bir şeyin Geleneksel Hiçliğin "Ötesinde" olarak adlandırılmasının koşulları nelerdir?
• NEP 3, Bu kavram aslında benim de anlamadığım bir kavram. Bunu tip 1 ve 2'den farklı kılan nedir? Bu onun "hiç" olduğu ve tamamen "hiç" olmadığı bir durumda "olduğu" bir durum mudur?
• Hiçlik/boşluk olarak yaşamak YEP kategorisine giriyor mu? evet ise neden?

İpucu 2 : Karakter, geleneksel yokluğun ötesinde bir anlamda mevcut değildir. İki yönlü bu, ne 1 ne de 0 olan bir şey olacaktır
İpucu3: Karakterler hala var, ancak paradoksal olarak uygulandığında yokmuş gibi açıklamalar.

Bu açıklamaları anlayacak şekilde okursanız tip 2 ve tip3”ün arasındaki farkı görürsünüz