Questionable rating

[ZERGESS]

If a certain character is scaled at Low 1A but he is completely vulnerable to lower dimensional attack, 2D attack even, should it still be rated as low 1A,
As we all know being atleast L1A means you're at least beyond any dimensional limit

 

[SuperNova55555]

Physicals don’t need to equal AP for tiers below 1-A so it’s not a problem here

 

[Vietthai96]

No, as long as the lower dimensional attack have AP, it is fine, unless you mean Low 1-A got hurt by an attack that isn't Low 1-A, then it can be an issue

 

[ZERGESS]

No, as long as the lower dimensional attack have AP, it is fine, unless you mean Low 1-A got hurt by an attack that isn't Low 1-A, then it can be an issue

Yeah, this is exactly the case

 

[Elyartaker]

If the attack has sufficient AP and range or its a smurf hax with that level of range, it should be fine.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Yeah, this is exactly the case

Does the 2D character have smurf hax?
Or perhaps the Low 1-A character only have that rating in AP?
Those are possibilities where it's not an anti feat.
Otherwise it would be a problem.

 

[ZERGESS]

Does the 2D character have smurf hax?

im completely clueless about smurf hax, can you tell me about it

Or perhaps the Low 1-A character only have that rating in AP?

Nope, it is tiered as L1A

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

im completely clueless about smurf hax, can you tell me about it

It is basically when a lower tier character (can be any tier) can harm dimensionally or sometimes even qualitatively higher beings via hax.

Like let's say we have a 3D being vs a 5D being. The 5D being has 5D everything, but the 3D being has a 6D smurf fate hax that basically lets him win in any given situation. In this case, assuming the 5D being has no smurf resistance, the 3D being would actually win because of his smurf hax.

Nope, it is tiered as L1A

Tiering is mainly only about AP. Like for example tensura at one time had Disintegration users all at tier low 1-C even though their dura was not necessarily low 1-C, like Hinata for instance.

 

[ZERGESS]

It is basically when a lower tier character (can be any tier) can harm dimensionally or sometimes even qualitatively higher beings via hax.

Like let's say we have a 3D being vs a 5D being. The 5D being has 5D everything, but the 3D being has a 6D smurf fate hax that basically lets him win in any given situation. In this case, assuming the 5D being has no smurf resistance, the 3D being would actually win because of his smurf hax.

though I don't know their exact dimensionality but they are definitely on the same lvl of existence but the other is completely vulnerable of the attacker's 2D attack (the thing is majority of those character like 98% ngl, is completely unaware of 2 dimensional existence and is one of the reason why they got obliterated)
(Like they are completely ignorant anything below 3D)

Tiering is mainly only about AP. Like for example tensura at one time had Disintegration users all at tier low 1-C even though their dura was not necessarily low 1-C, like Hinata for instance.

It was scaled because of its cosmology but it is questionable, there is a lot of inconsistencies and contradicting statements, like saying its big as a mountain but other statements describing the same thing its only tens of feet

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

though I don't know their exact dimensionality but they are definitely on the same lvl of existence but the other is completely vulnerable of the attacker's 2D attack

Well, if it's not a qualitative difference (assuming that's what you mean by "level of existence) then it's fine. You can technically have any arbitrarirly high tier via smurf hax and such but be a fodder when it comes to durability; we don't equate AP=Dura unless it's qualitative superiority or superiority by size after all. Oorr it could also be that the 2D character has some smurf hax that allows him to affect 1-A beings. I think Murphy (SCP) from the old times would be a perfect example of such a case.

It was scaled because of its cosmology but it is questionable, there is a lot of inconsistencies and contradicting statements, like saying its big as a mountain but other statements describing the same thing its only tens of feet

I don't think it's size would directly co-relate to its maximum AP. We often have characters that appear planetary in size but are universal in AP, or along those lines.

As for your specific thing about mountains itself, the smallest mountain is 141 feet, so technically it's on the higher end of "tens of feet". Orr it could just be metaphorical language to describe its massive size.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Was the 2D attack from a character who at least has some statements suggesting they are on the same level of power? Ie for example the character turning 2D and attacking from there?

Basically, was the character who did the attack originally 2D or did they have an ability that allowed them to attack from a lower dimension?

 

[Elyartaker]

I think Murphy (SCP) from the old times would be a perfect example of such a case.

And you would be 100% right. His existence is qualitatively inferior to baseline reality, but due to his range and hax potency, he can beat High 1-A characters.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

And you would be 100% right. His existence is qualitatively inferior to baseline reality, but due to his range and hax potency, he can beat High 1-A characters.

Knew it. All those Murphy law WIS edits (some even wining against some SK versions) made that fact be imprinted on my skull. Murphy is a true smurfer lol

 

[ZERGESS]

Well, if it's not a qualitative difference (assuming that's what you mean by "level of existence) then it's fine. You can technically have any arbitrarirly high tier via smurf hax and such but be a fodder when it comes to durability; we don't equate AP=Dura unless it's qualitative superiority or superiority by size after all. Oorr it could also be that the 2D character has some smurf hax that allows him to affect 1-A beings. I think Murphy (SCP) from the old times would be a perfect example of such a case.

This doesn't seem to be the case, like he can tank at least galaxy level attack, and he doesn't have smurf hax though the verse is known for its hax

As for your specific thing about mountains itself, the smallest mountain is 141 feet, so technically it's on the higher end of "tens of feet". Orr it could just be metaphorical language to describe its massive size.

That's only a reference for its consistencies

 

[ZERGESS]

Was the 2D attack from a character who at least has some statements suggesting they are on the same level of power?

Yes, they are on the same level of existence though there is a difference in the level of power like how there are stronger among grandmaster level knight than some other grandmaster level knight

Ie for example the character turning 2D and attacking from there?

This doesn't seem to be the case if even if it were It seems irrelevant

Basically, was the character who did the attack originally 2D or did they have an ability that allowed them to attack from a lower dimension?

I don't seem to understand and refrain from answering this, can you rephrase?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This doesn't seem to be the case, like he can tank at least galaxy level attack, and he doesn't have smurf hax though the verse is known for its hax

I'm kinda confused here. By "he" at both instances, you're referring to the same low 1-A tiered character right?

What about the 2D character? Is he shown to have smurf hax?

That's only a reference for its consistencies

Oh alright, xd

 

[ZERGESS]

I'm kinda confused here. By "he" at both instances, you're referring to the same low 1-A tiered character right?

What about the 2D character? Is he shown to have smurf hax?

Seems like most people misunderstood, maybe cuz I haven't properly explained it, but anyways they are on the same level of existence meaning they are both tiered as low 1A and its not a 2D being/existence/creature etc but a 2D attack

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Seems like most people misunderstood, maybe cuz I haven't properly explained it, but anyways they are on the same level of existence meaning they are both tiered as low 1A and its not a 2D being/existence/creature etc but a 2D attack

Hmm
I'm not sure how a low 1-A being would do a 2D attack exactly. Perhaps something like effecting the "part" of the Low 1-A ensemble that defines 2-D?

But theoretically that aspect should hold no significance to the whole of Low 1-A

 

[Rikimarox2]

Can you show the feat? If the attack, even if 2D, came from a Low 1-A being, then iirc that shouldn't really break any standards considering it is still from a Low 1-A being. Especially if those beings deal with conceptual shenanigans, tho that depends on the feat.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Especially if those beings deal with conceptual shenanigans, tho that depends on the feat.

True. Often more than not, Conceptual Manipulation tends to effect a higher tier through weird shenanigans.

 

[ZERGESS]

Hmm
I'm not sure how a low 1-A being would do a 2D attack exactly.

Perhaps something like effecting the "part" of the Low 1-A ensemble that defines 2-D?

sorry I don't get your point at all, but I'm pretty sure the thing emphasize that he can't even sense the 2D attack iirc he even got pulled in a 2D realm and he's movement etc got restricted

But theoretically that aspect should hold no significance to the whole of Low 1-A

I see

 

[ZERGESS]

Can you show the feat? If the attack, even if 2D, came from a Low 1-A being, then iirc that shouldn't really break any standards considering it is still from a Low 1-A being.

That's completely wrong cuz the point is even the person who attacked may not really be a L1A, and yeah there is a very big gap between hypo and outer no matter what there is no any reason to effect an outerversal character let alone being completely obliterated by that moreover most of those L1A beings are completely unaware that a 2D exist

Especially if those beings deal with conceptual shenanigans, tho that depends on the feat.

Though they deal with it and there may be conceptual manip involve(iirc there is no concept shtick involved) I don't see how it cover a hypo to low outer gap

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

sorry I don't get your point at all, but I'm pretty sure the thing emphasize that he can't even sense the 2D attack iirc he even got pulled in a 2D realm and he's movement etc got restricted

Ah, that might mean that it's size manipulation + dimensional manipulation hax capable of effecting a supposed low 1A. Seems very similar to Murphy's hax even

 

[Orioreeem]

I don't see how it cover a hypo to low outer gap

That gap is quantitativ not qualitative. Anyway post a feat that is really the only way you can get a valid answer honestly.

 

[ZERGESS]

That gap is quantitativ not qualitative.

Wut? That is many layers of being qualitatively above

Anyway post a feat that is really the only way you can get a valid answer honestly.

Nope. It won't be even handed anymore

 

[ZERGESS]

Ah, that might mean that it's size manipulation + dimensional manipulation hax capable of effecting a supposed low 1A. Seems very similar to Murphy's hax even

Sorry but can you explain how size manipulation got involved in it? And it's just like how some characters who are sealed in like a 12D subspace and can't move(the thing like henry from CAHS), anyways care to explain

 

[Orioreeem]

Wut? That is many layers of being qualitatively above

There is difference between qualitative between 6d and 7d and qualitative between 1-A and anything below.

Nope. It won't be even handed anymore

What? What do you mena?

 

[ZERGESS]

There is difference between qualitative between 6d and 7d and qualitative between 1-A and anything below.

Wut? I don't get your point but anyways a conceptual shenanigans won't bridge the gap of 2D to Low outerversal

What? What do you mena?

It wont be an open minded discussion

 

[Orioreeem]

Wut? I don't get your point but anyways a conceptual shenanigans won't bridge the gap of 2D to Low outerversal

It wont be an open minded discussion

There is no 6D or 7D or low 1-A concept hax. It'a all the same below 1-A. Read the tiering system

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Sorry but can you explain how size manipulation got involved in it? And it's just like how some characters who are sealed in like a 12D subspace and can't move(the thing like henry from CAHS), anyways care to explain

You said "he was pulled into a 2D realm". That means his dimensionality was reduced to 2D, because beings of more than X-dimensionality cannot exist in a realm only X-dimensional. The only way around is to, for example, reduce the dimensional size of the higher dimensional being in context to that 2D plane (like 3D 4D, etc.) into 2D themself.

That effectively would reduce the durability, potentially, to be able to harm them with a 2D attack. This kind of hax is usually smurf, and can do pretty irregular things. Same kind as Murphy in a sense.

 

[ZERGESS]

You said "he was pulled into a 2D realm". That means his dimensionality was reduced to 2D, because beings of more than X-dimensionality cannot exist in a realm only X-dimensional. The only way around is to, for example, reduce the dimensional size of the higher dimensional being in context to that 2D plane (like 3D 4D, etc.) into 2D themself.

That effectively would reduce the durability, potentially, to be able to harm them with a 2D attack. This kind of hax is usually smurf, and can do pretty irregular things. Same kind as Murphy in a sense.

I see, but there was no mention that the character got reduced to 2D himself and I doubt that would be the case as the all L1A known character in the verse recently just discovered such a thing(2D) I doubt they can use it that advancely, the thing is the author emphasizes that the 2D is so small that it is undetectable and that's the reliance of the MC that it would work perfectly well in attacks etc, I guess that statement alone proves the L1A thing is fraud
thanks btw

 

[ZERGESS]

There is no 6D or 7D or low 1-A concept hax. It'a all the same below 1-A. Read the tiering system

I know, Idk what you're trying to say but anyways a concept shenanigans can't cover such a gap

 

[Orioreeem]

I know, Idk what you're trying to say but anyways a concept shenanigans can't cover such a gap

If it's the same potency below 1-A then it can if range is not the issue.

 

[ZERGESS]

If it's the same potency below 1-A then it can if range is not the issue.

Hmm, can you reword this?

 

[Orioreeem]

Hmm, can you reword this?

If range is not a problem and potency of concept hax is the same whether it is 4D or 6D then it can bridge the gap

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I see, but there was no mention that the character got reduced to 2D himself and I doubt that would be the case as the all L1A known character in the verse recently just discovered such a thing(2D) I doubt they can use it that advancely, the thing is the author emphasizes that the 2D is so small that it is undetectable and that's the reliance of the MC that it would work perfectly well in attacks etc, I guess that statement alone proves the L1A thing is fraud
thanks btw

I mean, that's like me just discovering I had some X bacteria or cell, because it's so small that I cannot normally perceive it.

But sure, no probs

 

[ZERGESS]

I mean, that's like me just discovering I had some X bacteria or cell, because it's so small that I cannot normally perceive it.

But sure, no probs

Like if he gets 2D too he would have no problem perceiving the attack but the problem is he didn't even detect it so its unlikelythe case and the mc probably wouldnt do that due to obvious reasons, happy Birthday by the way wishes you well

 

[ZERGESS]

If range is not a problem and potency of concept hax is the same whether it is 4D or 6D then it can bridge the gap

You have to understand that concept shenanigans is not an omnipotent thing that can bridge any and every gap

 

[Orioreeem]

You have to understand that concept shenanigans is not an omnipotent thing that can bridge any and every gap

I'm literally not saying that it is omnipotent thing that can bridge any and every gap. Wtf?

 

[ZERGESS]

I'm literally not saying that it is omnipotent thing that can bridge any and every gap. Wtf?

I know, yet you expect a 2D attack to cover L1A gap