Question about this speed

[Primaris_Brian]

Somehow, i have the feeling that Jim is reading the feats as (the one who is fighting right now)'s POV while Yama is reading the feats as the observer's POV...

So can you explain? about this observer and POV thing?

 

[Yamatohime]

OK.

Time is stopped for all except you - infinite speed for observers.

Time is stopped for you (while you moving at lightspeed) - light speed for observers.

Time is stopped for you (you got into time stasis) - zero speed for observers.

 

[OwariNepgear]

@Jim: Yes, their very first time. Both of them use a Ryder with at least Multi-Continent level to Planet level with a speed as i stated above. But, the pilot of 2 Ryders, both of them awaken 2 eyes, which massively increase their reaction's speed and somehow increase their Ryder's Power and Speed (Just 1 eye can see a laser beam so slow, barely moving at all with 1 eye's peak).

 

[Primaris_Brian]

@Jim: Yes, their very first time. Both of them use a Ryder with at least Multi-Continent level to Planet level with a speed as i stated above. But, the pilot of 2 Ryders, both of them awaken 2 eyes, which massively increase their reaction's speed and somehow increase their Ryder's Power and Speed (Just 1 eye can see a laser beam so slow, barely moving at all with 1 eye's peak).

so they not follow RL logic, since there are no way you can see real life speed of light laser before it hit you.

 

[OwariNepgear]

I can't tell if those lines were told under fighter's POV or observer's POV, though. It those lines were told under Author's POV (means, very true), then it's at least FTL (at least, alright? they can be faster that that). But, if it's under the fighters's POV, they're just fighting so fast that they feel like infinity of time have passed, but just an instant to the observers. And, if it's under the observer's POV, about SOL i guess? Human's eyes will see everything with SOL as instantly anyway...

 

[OwariNepgear]

@Jim: Please don't get the wrong idea... Not all of them can do that...

It's an ability called "Awaken". I'm talking about 1 eye awaken and 2 eyes awaken, not normal eyes...

And because it's special ability, i can't tell if it's Sci-fi or Fantasy.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I can't tell if those lines were told under fighter's POV or observer's POV, though. It those lines were told under Author's POV (means, very true), then it's at least FTL (at least, alright? they can be faster that that). But, if it's under the fighters's POV, they're just fighting so fast that they feel like infinity of time have passed, but just an instant to the observers. And, if it's under the observer's POV, about SOL i guess? Human's eyes will see everything with SOL as instantly anyway...

can you explain the difference between these POV and observer? are the observer is the pilot? because they speed is kinda not match to each other.

@Jim: Please don't get the wrong idea... Not all of them can do that...
It's an ability called "Awaken". I'm talking about 1 eye awaken and 2 eyes awaken, not normal eyes...

And because it's special ability, i can't tell if it's Sci-fi or Fantasy.

so those who do the feats above can't do that?

 

[OwariNepgear]

More like, Toriko fight Neo in Backdoor while Komatsu watching from outside. Toriko's POV is Fighter's POV while Komatsu's POV is Observer's POV.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

More like, Toriko fight Neo in Backdoor while Komatsu watching from outside. Toriko's POV is Fighter's POV while Komatsu's POV is Observer's POV.

Well the thing is komatsu cant keep up with neo nor toriko, so his speed has nothing to do with them, so are the observer can keep up with that feats above? basicly if the observer can, then that feats above is not infinity or unless the observer is also infinity in speed.

 

[OwariNepgear]

They can't, i believe. Their speed right now is way superior (the fastest i have seen up till now in Sunrider). After the fight scene, there's a character from outside asked "What happened? How could she get injured?" so yeah, maybe they can't.

 

[OwariNepgear]

Btw, those who do the feat above are the ONLY ones who can awaken 2 eyes. Strongest pilot right now i believe.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

So this is either infinity or immeasurable(probably immeasurable since you will not destroy the space-time with infinity speed), or if we gonna treat that feats as hyperbole base on 1 eye awaken best feats(which is FTL) then its probaly FTL or FTL+, unless if the 2 eyes awaken is kinda like infinity times more superior to 1 eye awaken.

 

[OwariNepgear]

A 2 eyes awaken can easily beat a 1 eye awaken, but there's no actually feat about 2 eyes except the feat of this thread so i'm not gonna say anything about this xD

But, 1 eye only increase the reaction of the pilot while 2 eyes massively increase the reaction of the pilot and the Ryder's Power and Speed. They're not fighting with their body, you know? They fight with their Ryder (Some gundam-like robot)

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Except if the 2 eyes awaken is infinity times better than 1 eye awaken(which can do FTL reactions feats) then there are always possibility that just hyperbole, since FTL+ or MFTL pretty much can easily beat FTL, espesialy if the 2 eyes awaken is stronger as well, or at least that what I think.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Or you probably can ask this to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure supporter how they gonna treat feats like this since they have 2 person(3 but only 2 that have the profile in here)who has infinity speed and the rest is FTL+ and above.

also one of them Austrian.

 

[OwariNepgear]

Ah, i get it, you're misunderstanding right now xD

Sola, who can awakened only 1 eye, can increase her reaction speed to a level that she can see a laser beam so slow. But, her own body's speed is only about athlete level, and her Ryder maybe Sub-relativistic, i guess? Only her eye and her reaction is increased, though.

Asaga, who can awakened 2 eyes, can increase her reaction speed while sync herself to her Ryder and increase her Ryder's Power and Speed at the same time.

Asaga and Alice fight against each other, 2 Ryder with at least Sub-relativistic speed base, 2 eyes awakened and fight each other with their maybe highest potential to create that feat.

So, even if Sola can see a FTL, her Ryder can't matchup with her eye's speed (Though in storyline, she dodged 3 laser beam from 3 different directions, veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery strange...) and Asaga and Alice can easily stomp her with just FTL speed. But that's what i'm trying to say from the beginning. They must be at least FTL to break their universe's law, right? And i'm also not sure about "Infinity Instant", so i'm asking you guys about it, that's all~

 

[Primaris_Brian]

So it's have been confirement that their eyes(2 eyes) reaction speed is usually faster than their movement and combat speed?

Forget about my question above and just answered my question in below...

since if they not follow RL logic(since in RL you kinda cant dodged laser with eyes alone since laser is at the speed of light and you need light to see) then there are no way they gonna mess up with space-time with just FTL speed, unless if that has been stated that they will mess up with space-time if they do that(like another from toriko)

 

[OwariNepgear]

1 eye, reaction speed > movement and combat speed. 2 eyes, reaction speed = combat speed and movement speed > 1 eye. Sola with 1 awaken eye dodged 3 beam of laser, but it shoots from thousands kilometers far away though. Asaga with 2 eyes awaken surrounded by 4 drones about hundreds meters away which shoot small laser beam, yet she somehow dodge and counter 4 drones at the same time.

Wait, are we going out of the main topic? I thought FTL speed is enough to mess up with space-time?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

1 eye, reaction speed > movement and combat speed. 2 eyes, reaction speed = combat speed and movement speed > 1 eye. Sola with 1 awaken eye dodged 3 beam of laser, but it shoots from thousands kilometers far away though. Asaga with 2 eyes awaken surrounded by 4 drones about hundreds meters away which shoot small laser beam, yet she somehow dodge and counter 4 drones at the same time.
Wait, are we going out of the main topic? I thought FTL speed is enough to mess up with space-time?

as long as she not know the laser direction then its not matter since eye is need light to see(the light is need to come at your eye so you can see it) and laser which is moving at the speed of light mean when you see the laser then that is when the laser is already hit you, so she is still have FTL at least on her reactions speed.

For the rest is depent if it has been stated that they will mess up with space-time if they move faster than light like Another from toriko? since fiction is not the same as RL like most people in DB can move FTL but they will not mess up with the universe by doing so, so if yes then its just FTL, or FTL+ in everything base on 1 eye reaction speed powerscaling, if not then its more likely to be infinity or immeasurable or just hypebole(FTL)

 

[OwariNepgear]

I kinda get it. True, it's not stated that they will mess up with space-time if they move FTL, but i thought it's obvious that move FTL will mess up with space-time?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I already edit my comment, basically in real life yes but in fiction there are tons of people who can do FTL without break the space-time.

 

[OwariNepgear]

Maybe i'm gonna stick with RL's theory until Sunrider's verse stated that FTL is completely normal or something xD

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Well without statement then we usually going by feats, like STTGL is by feats(his size alone) is MFTL+, but if I remember its never been stated that FTL is completely normal.

 

[OwariNepgear]

Nah, they're not that big xD

A Ryder must be around 10~15 meters, and a Space Battleship (not some Cruisers or Destroyers) must be at least the size of a building

 

[Primaris_Brian]

STTGL is just for example, its has nothing to do with their size.

 

[OwariNepgear]

Yeah yeah i got it xD

The truth is, i want to make some page about Sunrider, so i need some reference first.

 

[Lina_Shields]

What is the conclusion on this topic?

 

[OwariNepgear]

At least FTL if Sunrider sticks with RL and immesurable if it doesn't