Question about the word "embodiment" in AE?

[ThienDe01]

I would like to ask what is the semantic meaning of the word "embodiment" in the AE page in this case? And would god be AE1 or AE2 in this case? My friend and I have been arguing about this all morning so I wanted to ask everyone for clarity.
That particular case is in MGnF with the following excerpts:

“The beings who preserve that order—the beings who embody that order— are the highest order of natural law: the gods.

Gods were the embodiment of order. Their powers were immense, but at the same time, they were unable to deviate from the order that bound them. I had taken this into consideration when planning my rebirth, but I had also kept reliable allies at the ready.

Gods were the embodiment of order. But because they were order, they were bound by the rules. Self-destruction was not an option for them.

“Oh, I guess you don’t know, Sasha. All gods are like that.”

“Like what? Idiots?”

“They have completely different values than we do. Gods are the embodiment of order, so they merely act according to that order.”

Militia was the order that had created the world, and the goddess who had joined hands with me in the name of peace. She had planned on staying in Delsgade for some time after the construction of the walls, to watch how the world turned out.

“Are there good gods as well?” Misha asked curiously.

“Gods are the embodiment of order. While I tend to make a mess of that order, there are a few gods I can get along with. Militia sought peace. If the war had gotten too far out of hand, the world she’d created would have been destroyed—and she loved this world more than anything.”

with these quotes (one of which is said by Anos himself), my friend thinks that god only achieves AE2 because god is just an "embodiment" of order according to the definition of AE2.

Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.

Even though I showed my friend some excerpts claiming that gods are order like the one below, he still insisted that god only achieved AE2.

In a voice devoid of emotion, she answered. “Gods are order. We do not feel anger, kindness, sadness, or pride. We are merely born as order and fulfill our roles. We are immortal, thus we are not living.”

He folded his hands together and closed his Eyes as though he was staring deeply inside, at his own thoughts.

“Gods are order. Thus, we can only judge things based on order. This is why we failed to notice the truth. But I pondered and pondered, lost in my thoughts for a long time—and I came to this realization.”

Dilfred continued his long-winded explanation.

“Gods are order. We are absolute existences to all who live in this world. To humans, spirits, and thee demons, we are the law of this world. Your lives follow the circle of life and death according to order. Becoming enraged at the gods is pointless. However, there is nothing more pointless than attempting to strike fear into the heart of a god.”

Nosgalia raised his hands with solemnity. “Allow me to impart knowledge on thine ignorant self. We are not like thee. We harbor no anger, no sadness. Gods are immortal and thus are not living. We cannot feel fear. We exist merely as the logic of this world.”

 

[Dereck03]

Ayo, this again? Well, if you want answer you can read this, there was also another thread where this was questioned, but they all ended up being unsuccessful downgrade attempts. If you have questions about anything in the verse, just ask in the mg thread; there's no need to create a Q&A.

 

[ThienDe01]

Ayo, this again? Well, if you want answer you can read this, there was also another thread where this was questioned, but they all ended up being unsuccessful downgrade attempts. If you have questions about anything in the verse, just ask in the mg thread; there's no need to create a Q&A.

I have read it all and have not found the necessary answer about the word "embodiment", there are many other issues that have caused the omission and no appropriate answer from the staff for this issue.

 

[ThienDe01]

there's no need to create a Q&A.

I created Q&A because I had a question and wanted if someone had the same question as me, they would find the answer in my Q&A without having to create a separate question.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I would like to ask what is the semantic meaning of the word "embodiment" in the AE page in this case? And would god be AE1 or AE2 in this case? My friend and I have been arguing about this all morning so I wanted to ask everyone for clarity.
That particular case is in MGnF with the following excerpts:

Well the difference between type 1 & 2 is more about the actual feats, there are a lot of series that use the word "embody" when referring to type 1 AE characters contrary to the specific word being used in the case of AE2. To use an example consider the following;

• Imagine character A was stated to be the embodiment of the sun, you could kill the avatar that exists on earth as many times as you'd like but it'd make no difference as that's just an avatar of it's true/literal form. In order to truly kill character A you'd have to directly interact with/kill the abstraction in question (in this case the sun).

AE2 would be the opposite, in this case character A's true form is the one that exists on Earth not the sun. However, he can use the existence of the sun to seemingly infinitely regenerate, but the 2 are wholly separate entities, and character A in this case, is not the actual abstraction in question. The thread Dereck linked also highlights another way to prove AE1, hope that answers your question.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

AE1. Them being called embodiments doesn’t really matter with enough context