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would hajun be high 1-A if it wasn't for his weaknesses? i'm talking bout tumor hajun. in terms of raw power, can he qualify for high 1-A? since he's infinitely stronger than powerful 1-As
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question about hajun
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Don't really fully get what you're asking, but his weakness are too severe to be High 1-A is what i gather, being infinetly above a 1-A doesn't mean you are automatically High 1-A, High 1-A's would basically be omnipotent if not for the presence of someone above them or some minor weakness.
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what im asking is: would hajun be high 1-A if he had no weaknesses?
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Oh. So hajun is just a really really powerful 1-A? Im asking this because he used to be high 1-A, but he got downgraded because of his weakness, not because he wasnt strong enough
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@Jonathanlighter
If Hajun is simply isn't qualified to be High 1-A even without weakness (actually if High 1-A doesn't have any weakness, said High 1-A would just be Tier 0), the explanation for Hajun being downgraded in Hajun's page is wrong then. Hajun is simply unqualified to be High 1-A, not because he have 'serious weakness'.
If Hajun is simply isn't qualified to be High 1-A even without weakness (actually if High 1-A doesn't have any weakness, said High 1-A would just be Tier 0), the explanation for Hajun being downgraded in Hajun's page is wrong then. Hajun is simply unqualified to be High 1-A, not because he have 'serious weakness'.
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Well, we also clarified the requirements for High 1-A in the Tiering System page.
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Are there any High 1-A's who actually have the whole "minor limitation" as the only reason they aren't tier 0? The only high 1-As I've seen are Yog Sothoth who has Cthulu (both from Demonbane and the Mythos) and Featherine Augustus who has the Creator.
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Lol yeah, meant Azathoth.
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I know that, what I mean is that the definition of High 1-A is basically "would be tier 0 if there wasn't already a Tier 0, or if they didn't have some minor weakness"
What I'm saying is that I haven't seen any High 1-As on this site who have the "minor weakness" as the reason they aren't T-0. It's always because there is a higher being.
What I'm saying is that I haven't seen any High 1-As on this site who have the "minor weakness" as the reason they aren't T-0. It's always because there is a higher being.
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@Monarch Okay this isn't always the case as using that kind of logic we always have Tier 0s because of that. There has to be a "minor weakness" for High 1-As at the very least.
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I don't think you understand. I know that. What I'm saying is that I haven't seen any High 1-A on this site who has a minor weakness. Every High 1-A I see on this site would be tier 0 if it wasn't for the existence of a Tier 0 above them.
No High 1-A I've seen has any minor weaknesses at all. They are always 'only' High 1-A because there is a greater being. My question is are there any I haven't seen who have a minor weakness like "can't create a butterfly" as their one and only limitation amidst all the conceptual quantum higher dimensional manipulation.
No High 1-A I've seen has any minor weaknesses at all. They are always 'only' High 1-A because there is a greater being. My question is are there any I haven't seen who have a minor weakness like "can't create a butterfly" as their one and only limitation amidst all the conceptual quantum higher dimensional manipulation.
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@Monarch It depend on the verses in question. It get complicated as even High 1As being may have specific description that describe a limitation even without tier 0s. However there can be exceptions to that very thing too.
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Well, The Law of Identity used to be scaled as High 1-A, due to possibly not quite being omniscient from its own perspective. However, given that it was explicitly at the top of ALL fictional structures, we eventually thought that it was a similar case as pre-retcon The-One-Above-All.
We also listed Monitor-Mind The Overvoid as High 1-A, before adding The Writer, as it had a minor limitation in that the multiverse was created against its will.
Regardless, I think that we should keep the "except for some minor limitation" definition for the sake of flexibility, in case we encounter such examples in future.
We also listed Monitor-Mind The Overvoid as High 1-A, before adding The Writer, as it had a minor limitation in that the multiverse was created against its will.
Regardless, I think that we should keep the "except for some minor limitation" definition for the sake of flexibility, in case we encounter such examples in future.
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how vast is 1-A?
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well, its very vast from what I hear. There exist '1-A fodders', which get 1-A rating because they 'merely just' transcend concept of dimensions. OTOH, there also exists 'super 1-As' (In my opinion anyway ^_^) such as Outer Gods (Lesser OGs, Shub-Nigghurath and etc. but excluding Yog and other High 1-As) which I think is very 'super' indeed.Jonathanlighter said:
But IMO, many of Tier 1-As all 'looks alike', which might be the rason why its hard to debate them. I mean, they have 'too much in common' that at first glance they're all like same thing in my opinion. they all 'transcend concept of dimensions' for one. And I found two characters share 'see reality as mere illusions' and 'source which all come and goes' traits, which doesn't really help in deciding 'who's stronger'.
Of course, few have defining/special characteristics. Like Lucifer Morningstar or The Presence or Hajun.
