Question about Destiny's (verse) tiering

[Telomera]

(Note that I'm not disputing anything, I'm just wondering) The high tiers in Destiny often have two keys: one for themselves in material space and one for themselves in Vex space. What's the reasoning behind using this? Shouldn't they always just scale to their Vex space keys?

 

[WHYNAUT]

Vex don't have the same degree of power and control within material space. There's various moments and statements from which this becomes apparent, but off the top of my head this is the most clear one:

"Or the Vex may seek to transcend a physical substrate, and move their thoughts directly into the fundament of the universe.If physics is a set of rules that the cosmos uses to calculate itself, perhaps the Vex seek to worm their way into these calculations: to become a law of reality, inseparable from existence. A virus in the system. Perhaps Atheon was the centerpiece of this project, a command nexus that unified efforts across time." - regarding the Vault of Glass's purpose

There's also the fact that the Vex can potentially simulate entire timelines within their own domains, while in material space their largest simulation was the endless night, which only encompassed the Last City.

As for the ascendant plane:

"Toland tells us that Crota's presence in our world is a shadow. That its true power resides in a netherworld forged by his will." "Oryx inhabits a world where power is truth. To win is to be noble, and to be real. When He departs from that world, out into the material universe, He is lessened." "When the Vex came into the sword world, they were inevitably annihilated, but when the Hive went into the Vex world, they lost too much of their power to win."

 

[Telomera]

Vex don't have the same degree of power and control within material space. There's various moments and statements from which this becomes apparent, but off the top of my head this is the most clear one:

"Or the Vex may seek to transcend a physical substrate, and move their thoughts directly into the fundament of the universe.If physics is a set of rules that the cosmos uses to calculate itself, perhaps the Vex seek to worm their way into these calculations: to become a law of reality, inseparable from existence. A virus in the system. Perhaps Atheon was the centerpiece of this project, a command nexus that unified efforts across time." - regarding the Vault of Glass's purpose

There's also the fact that the Vex can potentially simulate entire timelines within their own domains, while in material space their largest simulation was the endless night, which only encompassed the Last City.

As for the ascendant plane:

"Toland tells us that Crota's presence in our world is a shadow. That its true power resides in a netherworld forged by his will." "Oryx inhabits a world where power is truth. To win is to be noble, and to be real. When He departs from that world, out into the material universe, He is lessened." "When the Vex came into the sword world, they were inevitably annihilated, but when the Hive went into the Vex world, they lost too much of their power to win."

I see. Thank you. Since this thread isn't going anywhere else, is it OK if I ask another question?: Why don't we scale anyone except for maybe the witness and a scant few other characters to the infinite dimensional hilbert spaces that the Vex have? Hasn't the player guardian defeated Vex who are able to warp those structures, or is the Vex too decentralized for anyone except the highest of the god tiers to scale to those hyperversal structures?

 

[WHYNAUT]

It's never actually said that the Vex can create these hilbert spaces or even exert control over the entire structure, just that they make use of them.

 

[Telomera]

I see. Thanks.

 

[444_OverTimeNights]

It's never actually said that the Vex can create these hilbert spaces or even exert control over the entire structure, just that they make use of them.

scan? also isn’t the akka thing a contradiction? akka seemingly should’ve been able to negate his abilities due to his better and more refined sword logic but oryx came ( seemingly weaker ) and beat him
so isn’t it the case that oryx was eitehr on par or stronger than aka not weaker

 

[WHYNAUT]

scan? also isn’t the akka thing a contradiction? akka seemingly should’ve been able to negate his abilities due to his better and more refined sword logic but oryx came ( seemingly weaker ) and beat him
so isn’t it the case that oryx was eitehr on par or stronger than aka not weaker

It's all in the Pyramidion strike.

No one was talking about Akka?