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Project Moon Discussion 2

Oh definitely. Her E.G.O being a universe-sized Library that's been repeatedly stated to have infinite space, while also containing multiple smaller pocket dimensions within it means that she can surely get a Low 2-C rating for it.
Can you show me these statements? Especially the infinite space.
 
Can you show me these statements? Especially the infinite space.
Well the most relevant statements are: Angela's statements in the Canard and Urban Legend chapters, Floor of Technological Sciences Episode 5 where Yesod hypothesized that the "the Library itself is a miniature universe where anything is possible as long as its objective is to expand the Library.", and in Floor of Religion Episode 4 Where Hokma says “Is there any way to navigate this infinite space without getting lost?".
 
Well the most relevant statements are: Angela's statements in the Canard and Urban Legend chapters, Floor of Technological Sciences Episode 5 where Yesod hypothesized that the "the Library itself is a miniature universe where anything is possible as long as its objective is to expand the Library.", and in Floor of Religion Episode 4 Where Hokma says “Is there any way to navigate this infinite space without getting lost?".
And is the power of the Library entirely derived from Angela, or does she depend on the Light as a whole to use it?

If it's literally the power of Angela alone, then... yeah, Kim Ji-Hoon made Angela at the very least "Low 2-C via the Library".

That being said, "That the Library itself is a miniature universe where anything is possible as long as its objective is to expand the Library." implies that the library is finite, for something infinite cannot be the miniature of absolutely jackshit. But this is the only instance that contradicts the library's spatial infinity.
 
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And is the power of the Library entirely derived from Angela, or does she depend on the Light as a whole to use it?

If it's literally the power of Angela alone, then... yeah, Kim Ji-Hoon made Angela at the very least "Low 2-C via the Library".

That being said, "That the Library itself is a miniature universe where anything is possible as long as its objective is to expand the Library." implies that the library is finite, for something infinite cannot be the miniature of absolutely jackshit. But this is the only instance that contradicts the library's spatial infinity.
Well The Library still exists even after all of the Light was released, and it was stated by Zena that The Library is Angela's E.G.O, so I'd say it's mostly(if not completely) derived from Angela.

Huh, I was under the impression that Yesod calling the Library "miniature" is meant to refer to fact that it's a pocket dimension. Oh well, 2 direct statements from Angela and 1 supporting statement from Hokma is still enough, right?
 
I made a re-calc of the Kromer nail feat that uses more lowballed assumptions. This one fits way better into the scaling I feel, and it requires taking gameplay limitations at face value significantly less.
 
I made a re-calc of the Kromer nail feat that uses more lowballed assumptions. This one fits way better into the scaling I feel, and it requires taking gameplay limitations at face value significantly less.
Wait, so does this mean Faust failed to account for Mach 4 speeds despite the fact that Limbus Company is more than willing to spend their bullets?
 
I mean, the nail was never what was calced as MHS in the first place, it was the Sinners deflecting it supposedly from as little as a centimeter away, and Mach 4 handguns are probably a pipe dream for most City dwellers given how strict the Head's gun regulations are.
 
I mean, the nail was never what was calced as MHS in the first place, it was the Sinners deflecting it supposedly from as little as a centimeter away, and Mach 4 handguns are probably a pipe dream for most City dwellers given how strict the Head's gun regulations are.
Ok, fair enough regarding the calc. About the guns though, aside from the LCCB group having standard issue guns as a part of their kit, there is also the fact that low caliber bullets are generally faster than high caliber ones due to the former having less weight. With that said, I think the the Head's "longer barrel=lower caliber" law would actually result in the long-barrel rifles like LCCB Ryoshu's shotgun to be on the faster end because of this.
 
A calc could probably made if we could get the size of La Manchaland. Even weakened Don was sustaining it.

Also, PEAK!

Though seriously, is anyone gonna work on a Roland page?
 
Tbh the La Manchaland stabilization feat has no reason to scale to anyone's physicals or even to Don Quixote's other forms of Blood Manipulation .

Don Quixote (Sinner)'s Sancho key would most likely be 8-B, likely 8-A but it's gonna be ages until she gets a profile anyway.
 
Tbh the La Manchaland stabilization feat has no reason to scale to anyone's physicals or even to Don Quixote's other forms of Blood Manipulation .
It needs further evaluation, but the Wiki does accept feats for creating and sustaining entire structures depending on context. Considering he can manipulate when and when it is not sealed, it might even be to his weakened state's Blood Manip. However, it would probably be a "with enough blood" sort of thing since it's not his blood I believe.
Don Quixote (Sinner)'s Sancho key would most likely be 8-B, likely 8-A but it's gonna be ages until she gets a profile anyway.
We have so many characters who need pages. We don't have a single male Ruina character for some reason.
 
I did just update Ishmael's page too to include Zwei and E.G.Os I missed out on- unless anyone can add anything (edit should be avaliable), feel it can be added (I don't trust myself to add a gallery).
 
It needs further evaluation, but the Wiki does accept feats for creating and sustaining entire structures depending on context. Considering he can manipulate when and when it is not sealed, it might even be to his weakened state's Blood Manip. However, it would probably be a "with enough blood" sort of thing since it's not his blood I believe.

We have so many characters who need pages. We don't have a single male Ruina character for some reason.
Requirement 1: Specify what exactly is being stabilized so that it is made clear what the character's sustainability is doing precisely.

Requirement 2: Prove that the stabilized structure is being directly sustained by the power of the character and not from the character's abilities, life force, existence, magical properties, or any unknown connection that is independent of their statistics.

Requirement 3: Prove that the character's stabilization is comparable to the scale of the structure they are stabilizing. Preferably, it should be proven that the character's sustainability is comparable to the destruction of the structure to best show that their power rivals the destructive output of what would destroy the structure in the first place. Please keep in mind that this may vary depending on how the structure's destruction would occur. For example, if a character sustains the existence of a universe that would not be instantly or immediately destroyed when no longer supported, the power of their sustainability would not be comparable to destructive output that completely and immediately destroys a universe, and would not be sufficient enough to be given a 3-A or Low 2-C rating. However, their sustainability could be given either rating if the universe they sustain would be completely destroyed instantly or immediately without support.

Requirement 4: Prove that the power of the character's stabilization consistently scales to their regular statistics, similar to our standards for creation feats.

Can we prove all that?
 
Can we prove all that?
1 and 2 are easy. He is sustaining the structure and controls when it appears and is sealed. It was created by him using blood.

3 is a bit iffier, but it quickly falls apart once he dies.

4 needs more evaluation, but it wasn't made by a special method beyond blood manip.
 
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Blood manip is also what he uses to fight, so I feel we have enough grounds for that. Now we just need to ensure it's consistent with previous scaling. How high would it scale him? Tier 6 would be unacceptable and even 7-A or High 7-A might be excessive, but 8-A+ or somewhere along 7-C could work just fine
 
More confirmation that ID powerscaling is canon.
Didn’t the project moon livestream say that each season id was equivalent to the sinners current strength with the exception of Walpurgisnatch ID’s? I think that is why they said the Arknights collab wont be IDs but rather EGO and also the new skin system of overlaying the appearance of other ids with different ids would work in lore.

I am not 100% sure but something about that was definitely said in that stream.
 
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