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Professional Wrestling General Discussion Thread
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yeah, were scaling the wwe superstars as their persona's so stuff like Kane's fire manip and Undertaker's Lighting manip will both be on their profiles.
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Are we solely focusing on broadcasted WWE canon, or do any of the comics need to be looked into? Or what about Kane's novel about his backstory?
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These exist?
CuteAnimeNekoGirl99
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This thread is focusing on the broadcasted canon I don’t beilrve the comics/games are canon to the broadcastings
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The Undertaker (Chaos! Comics)
The Undertaker is the main protagonist of the comic series of the same name. The Undertaker's origin is unknown, only that he is the half-brother of Kane and that he is prophesied to be the the ruler of Hell's prison, Stygian. He first came there as a boy, and ruled unopposed until the Dark...
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A little iffy on this, but it's worth a try.
Chris Jericho states that he knows 1004 holds, and then he brought a list and named them.
Chris Jericho states that he knows 1004 holds, and then he brought a list and named them.
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Decided to make a WWE World Heavyweight Champions tier list.
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Jericho too high.
rey mesterio, Shawn Michaels and John Cena too low
rey mesterio, Shawn Michaels and John Cena too low
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Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho
Edge vs Chris Jericho
Batista vs Chris Jericho
John Cena vs Chris Jericho
Y2J deserves an S tier.
Rey Mysterio was a horribly booked champion (ask practically any fan of WWE and they'll say the same), Shawn Michaels winning the title was great, but the title reign itself was too short (28 days). He didn't do much with it. I put Christian at B because he at least did something with the title despite his reign being short. As for Cena, His first reign was decent, but when he won it in 2013 was when his reign as champ sucked. He did nothing memorable with the title.
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He lost it against Randy Orton, which I believe merged the WWE and World Heavyweight championships, and that is legit one of the worst decisions WWE made.
Besides that, Cena did nothing memorable with the title during his 2013 run.
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That was the implication, but thank you for explaining it to anyone who was unaware of the context.
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The titles merging made me appreciate Del Rio's World Title reign more (despite him being a piece of shit irl).
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Who?
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The John Cena... Who can go invisible, what you mean?
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I dont know who that is.
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I think John has enough feats to put him at consistent into wall tier due to TLC matches where he has thrown fellows through tables and even two tables at some points
I think I can start to construct a solid profile on him I don’t think he has many notable abilities he has Martial Arts as a wresler, weapon master as he shows to be proficient with the many items around the ring, and that’s it aside from the Superhuman characteristics I was on the edge on of he was peak or superhuman but slamming your foe through a table is common in this verse and sometimes even two
Cena I can say at his worst is able to lift both the edge and the big show. Big Show has been stated in universe to be 500 pounds pretty consistently and the Edge who is 241 meaning Cena lifted 741 pounds or 336.112 kg Peak Human LS
at his best LS Cena can scale to Mark Henry due to being able to beat him in arm wrestling while earlier showings have shown John incapable of lifting the 410 pound Henry falling when he attempts to slam him in this instance right after the arm wrestling John is able to do so showing a potential strength gain in his lore as this is a triumphant feat of his so this could mean he scales to him and his feat of lifting a car stated to be 2 and a half tons which would land Cena in Class 5 LS
I don’t think he has much in terms of speed most likely peak human due to being a professional wrestler unless if Cena has hidden bullet/light dodging feats I’m unaware of
Stamina is most likely superhuman he’s been able to fight even after he has been beaten to a blood pulp in his i quite match with Brock lesnar and kept fighting he also has participated in several I quite matches where the point is to cause as much pain onto an opponent until they want to quit
Intelligence wise John is pretty smart when it comes to his craft I’d put him at above average being able to utilize the environment to his advantage, was able to utilize several techniques on the Miz in his I quit match to put as much pain on him in order to make him quit within a short amount of time, and has fought many different wrestlers in his time of 18 years of wrestling
I think I can start to construct a solid profile on him I don’t think he has many notable abilities he has Martial Arts as a wresler, weapon master as he shows to be proficient with the many items around the ring, and that’s it aside from the Superhuman characteristics I was on the edge on of he was peak or superhuman but slamming your foe through a table is common in this verse and sometimes even two
Cena I can say at his worst is able to lift both the edge and the big show. Big Show has been stated in universe to be 500 pounds pretty consistently and the Edge who is 241 meaning Cena lifted 741 pounds or 336.112 kg Peak Human LS
at his best LS Cena can scale to Mark Henry due to being able to beat him in arm wrestling while earlier showings have shown John incapable of lifting the 410 pound Henry falling when he attempts to slam him in this instance right after the arm wrestling John is able to do so showing a potential strength gain in his lore as this is a triumphant feat of his so this could mean he scales to him and his feat of lifting a car stated to be 2 and a half tons which would land Cena in Class 5 LS
I don’t think he has much in terms of speed most likely peak human due to being a professional wrestler unless if Cena has hidden bullet/light dodging feats I’m unaware of
Stamina is most likely superhuman he’s been able to fight even after he has been beaten to a blood pulp in his i quite match with Brock lesnar and kept fighting he also has participated in several I quite matches where the point is to cause as much pain onto an opponent until they want to quit
Intelligence wise John is pretty smart when it comes to his craft I’d put him at above average being able to utilize the environment to his advantage, was able to utilize several techniques on the Miz in his I quit match to put as much pain on him in order to make him quit within a short amount of time, and has fought many different wrestlers in his time of 18 years of wrestling
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I would also like to point out that wrestlers like Edge, The Miz, and Eddie Guerrero should have genius level intelligence, as they almost always find ways to win matches in very creative ways, even if it's considered cheating. They pretty much always outsmart their opponents and find a way to pull out a win.
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CuteAnimeNekoGirl99
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I'm curious on if we have any feats for John Cena's speed/skill anything very notable or to point out
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For speed, it was stated that the ramp for the Royal Rumble 2017 was 65 yards long. Kalisto runs from the ramp to the ring in 8 seconds. Running 65 yards in 8 seconds means you'd have to be running at 16.6193 mph (7.43 m/s).
How fast is that?
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Just average human so maybe I’ll list them under that as they don’t have many notable speed feats surprisingly
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I feel like the wrestlers should have at least Above Average - Possibly Peak Human speed due to them being very physically fit, with a few exceptions like The Great Khali, Mark Henry, etc.
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Does anyone have an opinion on this?
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I mean wrestlers talk to the audience which would he extradimentional beings as they don’t exist in the fiction of WWE so John Cena would stomp the Cthulhu mythos RKO azathoth ggs
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Probably not super impressive, but Andre the Giant's in-universe weight was 236 kg, which means Hogan body slamming him grants him peak human LS.
A list of wrestlers by billed weights, can maybe be helpful for LS.
A list of wrestlers by billed weights, can maybe be helpful for LS.
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Anyone?
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Was this when Vince fought against God and won?
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Cena lifted big show and edge which is a combined weight of 336 kg and possibly scales to mark Henry for arm wrestling him and Henry is capable of lifting a car stated to be 2.5 tons six inches off the ground
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Real life people can do that, so further peak human justifications.
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While yeah real people can do it they’d still be ranked at class 5 like how the old composite human profile was before it was removed from the wiki
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I feel like this is solid evidence to show that the WWE verse is Wall level.
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CuteAnimeNekoGirl99
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I’m curious on if this should be used or if the weight stated by an announcer should be used a good example would be the big show who the announcers state to be 500 pounds a couple of times which could be seen as the weight of the character in canon
For the lifting feat John directly does he holds the two fellows above his head and for his scaling to mark Henry he matched him in arm wrestling is what I’m getting at
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The thing I listed is what you described, yeah "Billed" essentially means in-universe for wrestling, for examplle, Iron Shiek was billed from Iran, ut was actually from Iraq iirc
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Alright
yeah I was questioning that the announcer sometimes will say a different number but I’m pretty sure he’s just rounding up so this means cena lifted 725 pounds or 328.854 kg still peak human slightly lower
