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so I was bored as always and was checking some profiles cause why not, and when I had a look on Goku's profile for the 8th quadrillion time this month, I noticed that immeasurable speed goku was considered as an outlier? If not completely abandoned and was treated as analytical prediction (that's werid) anyway after reading through the crt that was focused on discussing that situation it didn't really make any sense imo so I have multiple problems with it.
1.Goku's Feat Against Hit Is Clear: During Gokuβs fight with Hit, he literally moves through time to counter Hitβs Time-Skip, which is the exact definition of immeasurable speed. Goku moving in time makes it a straightforward feat, not an outlier.
Exactly at (0:13)
2.The Tournament of Power Argument: People say that because the Tournament of Power lasted 48 minutes, Goku couldnβt have immeasurable speed, umm did we forget about the tons of events that happened during literally a single minute in the T.O.P? the characters in Dragon Ball donβt always fight at their maximum speed throughout a battle. Just because the tournament had a time limit doesnβt mean every fighter was going all-out the entire time. Thereβs no reason to assume that Goku, or any other character, was constantly moving at immeasurable speeds for 48 minutes straight. Theyβre pacing themselves, strategizing, or even holding back depending on the opponent literally backed up by the fact that, Goku and the others are clearly conserving energy, recovering, or adjusting to the flow of the battle. The fact that the tournament lasted 48 minutes just shows that they werenβt all fighting at immeasurable speeds every second, not that they canβt reach those speeds when needed (like Goku did against Hit).
3.Instant Transmission Doesn't Disprove Immeasurable Speed: Goku using Instant Transmission is more about convenience and strategy and accuracy. Just because he uses IT doesnβt mean he lacks immeasurable speed; it's about choosing the fastest way to get around, depending on the situation for e.g if Both X and Y have immeasurable speeds and Y>X interms of speed so X had to use instant transmission inorder to atleast be able to keep up with Y's speed (which was the case with Goku vs Jiren at the very beginning of the T.O.P)
4.Whis' Travel Speed Isn't a Contradiction: People argue that Whis traveling from Beerus' planet to Earth in 35 minutes contradicts immeasurable speed, but that's missing the point. Just like Goku using Instant Transmission, Whis' travel speed doesnβt have to represent his full combat capabilities. Traveling through space and fighting at immeasurable speed are completely different contexts, and just because it took Whis 35 minutes doesnβt mean he can't move immeasurably in a fight. It's more about practicality than speed limits in these cases.
5.How come one can go from MFTL+ speeds to immeasurable by using finite multiplers?? :
since when was that a problem? Literally Goku who during the BoG arc threatened to destroy the entire macrocosom which includes multiple space-time continuums via SSJG alone which is literally accepted to have finite multiplers (160,000) iirc so goku went from affecting 3D structures to almost destroying 4D structures via a finite multipler, so speed shouldn't be a problem.
So yeah that's what I have to say.
Note: This ain't a crt so don't even bother asking to move this to crt or I'll spawn under your bed
so I was bored as always and was checking some profiles cause why not, and when I had a look on Goku's profile for the 8th quadrillion time this month, I noticed that immeasurable speed goku was considered as an outlier? If not completely abandoned and was treated as analytical prediction (that's werid) anyway after reading through the crt that was focused on discussing that situation it didn't really make any sense imo so I have multiple problems with it.
1.Goku's Feat Against Hit Is Clear: During Gokuβs fight with Hit, he literally moves through time to counter Hitβs Time-Skip, which is the exact definition of immeasurable speed. Goku moving in time makes it a straightforward feat, not an outlier.
Exactly at (0:13)
2.The Tournament of Power Argument: People say that because the Tournament of Power lasted 48 minutes, Goku couldnβt have immeasurable speed, umm did we forget about the tons of events that happened during literally a single minute in the T.O.P? the characters in Dragon Ball donβt always fight at their maximum speed throughout a battle. Just because the tournament had a time limit doesnβt mean every fighter was going all-out the entire time. Thereβs no reason to assume that Goku, or any other character, was constantly moving at immeasurable speeds for 48 minutes straight. Theyβre pacing themselves, strategizing, or even holding back depending on the opponent literally backed up by the fact that, Goku and the others are clearly conserving energy, recovering, or adjusting to the flow of the battle. The fact that the tournament lasted 48 minutes just shows that they werenβt all fighting at immeasurable speeds every second, not that they canβt reach those speeds when needed (like Goku did against Hit).
3.Instant Transmission Doesn't Disprove Immeasurable Speed: Goku using Instant Transmission is more about convenience and strategy and accuracy. Just because he uses IT doesnβt mean he lacks immeasurable speed; it's about choosing the fastest way to get around, depending on the situation for e.g if Both X and Y have immeasurable speeds and Y>X interms of speed so X had to use instant transmission inorder to atleast be able to keep up with Y's speed (which was the case with Goku vs Jiren at the very beginning of the T.O.P)
4.Whis' Travel Speed Isn't a Contradiction: People argue that Whis traveling from Beerus' planet to Earth in 35 minutes contradicts immeasurable speed, but that's missing the point. Just like Goku using Instant Transmission, Whis' travel speed doesnβt have to represent his full combat capabilities. Traveling through space and fighting at immeasurable speed are completely different contexts, and just because it took Whis 35 minutes doesnβt mean he can't move immeasurably in a fight. It's more about practicality than speed limits in these cases.
5.How come one can go from MFTL+ speeds to immeasurable by using finite multiplers?? :
since when was that a problem? Literally Goku who during the BoG arc threatened to destroy the entire macrocosom which includes multiple space-time continuums via SSJG alone which is literally accepted to have finite multiplers (160,000) iirc so goku went from affecting 3D structures to almost destroying 4D structures via a finite multipler, so speed shouldn't be a problem.
So yeah that's what I have to say.
Note: This ain't a crt so don't even bother asking to move this to crt or I'll spawn under your bed
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