Power Null Revision

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Durability Negation part is both false and a non-sequitor. Attacking internal organs is dura neg but that is not working on people several tiers above you due to sheer AP. And dura neg that ignores AP completely is not > dura neg that can be negged by raw AP.

You can't just put a wide blanket on all power nulls in all fiction based on stuff like that.

 

[YungManzi]

@Ricsi

Uh...that comparison is more based on the varying weakness of different mechanics. I'm not even arguing or comparing those (Which are case by case)

I'm comparing Durability Negation itself (Which negates Dura) Vs. Power Nullification (Which negates AP)

Obviously, if the powernull itself has an innate weakness like the internal organ thing that you're mentioning, then that should be taken into account. I'm talking about the power as a whole.

As in, in-general. You can't say "Some of them might have limits based on their mechanic" and try to use that as evidence for why they wouldn't be superior to generic power nullification which; per the words listed on the Power Null page, are only assumed to work on the most powerful ability they've been shown to work against.

Speaking of that last point.

@Paul

No. Bad analogy Paul. Never Ever was I advocating for 3-D AP negating power nullification or any Durability Negation for that matter, working against higher dimensional beings. That was never my argument, its never been my argument.

Also, in regards to my comparison. I'll put it like this:

1) Both are attacks

2) One relies on its Attack Potency to be higher or similar to character B's durability to harm them.

3) The other attack works regardless of character B's durability (Of the same dimensionality, of course) and rather forces character B to have a specific resistance to it, in order to be unaffected by it.

One is considerably better, because in order for the first attack to achieve the same base effectiveness as the second (Being able to harm all 3D characters) it would need infinite energy. And by base effectiveness, I mean without considering resistances and such.

So yes, Durability Negation is Always superior to pure AP attacks. At least until you get to High 3-A.

My comparison springboards off of this idea and applies it to a similar situation in Power Nullification. Where most Power Nullification (As I see it), are considered to only work on attacks/abilities of an AP level that they've been shown to work against (Like how AP works with energy and only using pure attack strength related feats).

While Durability Negation works regardless of one's defenses. Unless they have a specific counter or resistance to said Durability Negation (Forgoing Ricsis very specific and arbitrary example of Durability Negation). Power Nullification which negates AP would be treated the same way, as it works regardless of how powerful an opponents ability or attack is.

And of course, like I said before, it would still be limited by its own restrictions and mechanics.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But that is still baseless. How it interacts with different powers, raw AP included, does not automatically put it in a hierarchy of how good it is.

You cqn'tovergeneralize rules for such a wide range power.

 

[Antvasima]

@Ricsi

So what do you think that we should do here, and did the other staff members here agree?

 

[Lavtop]

I think we should just evaluate case by case

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

@Ricsi

So what do you think that we should do here, and did the other staff members here agree?

Dontalk and me argued that each power null should work based on in verse mechanics, and that making different abilities fit into a hierarchy just because they have the same outcome is uneeded.

Yung is the only one disagreeing from what I see.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think that you and DontTalk make sense then. Should we close this thread, or do you wish to add any clarifications to the Power Nullification page first?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Seems fine to close it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.