Post-Flashpoint Superman's possible upgrades.

[LordNephalem]

So, I just checked Superman's profile and I think he should be upgraded.

Attack potency: He's currently at "Large Planet Level", but I believe he should be on a higher level. In Endgame, he destroyed the Justice Buster's knucles , which had 9 pods, each pod containing a microscopic red sun that were collected from dead solar systems with the aid of Ray Palmer (who obviously, compressed them), Clark did so with his heat vision. Also, Cyborg Superman flew through exploding supernovas and was defeated bySupergirl, who scales to Superman. So, I guess he should be "At least small star", but I could be wrong so feel free to correct me.

Durability: He constantlysurvivesbeing hitted by characters that are on a similar level of his ow (the images are not in english, sorry for that), but he also survived being punched by the red suns of the Justice Buster. So, "At least small star" for durability too?

Not sure if the Justice Buster feat is actually at least small star for the fact that the red suns were compressed, but they should keep the same mass.

 

[Izreldan]

Bump

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Can't comment on the Justice Buster thing but the Cyborg Superman stating that he has flown through Exploding Supernovas could lead to a possible upgrade maybe.

 

[Izreldan]

Bump

 

[Zensum]

Actually you may have a point on the red star knuckles. May have to ask if the condensed mass makes the feat any different.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

It wouldn't. If it is literally straight-up condensed stars, then it would still have the exact same mass, and thus require the same durability to resist. Honestly we could probably get KE of throwing a punch with a star attached to your fist.

Although from a realism note even a small-ish star like our Sun would collapse into a black hole at around 5670 meters in diameter.

 

[Js250476]

I think the new 52 has that Mogo feat but I'm unsure if that scales to anyone else currently

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Post-Crisis Lobo has a feat of stabbing a pulsar with his grappling hook and swinging it around. Comics just give the middle finger to physics a lot.

 

[Js250476]

Well that and it's Lobo so an even bigger fu to physics

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Tfw nearly all comic book characters constantly screw off physics by going FTL

If we're being really picky with our current understanding of light and mass it is impossible for anything with mass to achieve SoL, and FTL is just impossible outright without using wormholes/teleportation/spacial folding.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Also hilariously enough hitting someone with 9 red stars (assuming 4.15 average solar masses per star) with a punch traveling at 11 m/s (average punch speed of a professional kickboxer) it would only be low end 5-A. That speed is just so slow on a stellar scale that it does basically nothing.

 

[Izreldan]

Also hilariously enough hitting someone with 9 red stars (assuming 4.15 average solar masses per star) with a punch traveling at 11 m/s (average punch speed of a professional kickboxer) it would only be low end 5-A. That speed is just so slow on a stellar scale that it does basically nothing.

But wouldn't compressed stars have more mass than full-sized stars? also Batman is Hypersonic in New 52, so it would actually be 9 compressed stars hitting someone at Mach 5

On a side note, remember these are Red Stars, one of Superman's weaknesses, so he beat the Justice Buster while weakened

 

[LordNephalem]

So highly weakened Superman can tank 5-A level punches, but what about him destroying the red suns?

 

[Js250476]

I remember Batman dodged lightning in the New 52 but it was underwhelming iirc

 

[Hellbeast1]

Wouldn't Supes scale from WW's fighting with Apollo (as in the literal sun)

 

[Js250476]

If Supes is still equal to WW then I don't see why not

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Izreldan

No, mass is mass. The size would decrease and mass remain unchanged, therefore lowering density.

 

[Izreldan]

So highly weakened Superman can tank 5-A level punches, but what about him destroying the red suns?

Well, I'm no calc member, so you'll have to ask someone else to do the exact math, but from what I understand, when a star is compressed it gets exponentially more dense, this is the case with Neutron Stars, so being that Superman destroyed 9 ultra-dense stars while heavily weakened, this could very well be a High 4-C feat since he took out multiple stars with a single blast

But this would require input from other members, after all, an upgrade from 5-A to High 4-C is quite a big jump

 

[Js250476]

Iirc Matt mentioned once Green Lanterns in New 52 have tier 4 feats so it might be alright

 

[Izreldan]

@Izreldan
No, mass is mass. The size would decrease and mass remain unchanged, therefore lowering density.

I see, so the compressed Red Stars would weigh the same as full size?

 

[LordNephalem]

Mogo has a tier 4 feat, Orion has a tier 4 feat and Cyborg Superman has tier 4 off-screen feats, all of them should scale to Sups.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Same mass. Weight is mass in regards to gravity. Same power, same GBE, all that good stuff. They would just be compact (more compact than scientifically possible, but whatever).

 

[Js250476]

I think the Mogo feat would definitely scale to other Lanterns

 

[Izreldan]

Same mass. Weight is mass in regards to gravity. Same power, same GBE, all that good stuff. They would just be compact (more compact than scientifically possible, but whatever).

I understand, my science was way off XD

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Mogo has a tier 4 feat, Orion has a tier 4 feat and Cyborg Superman has tier 4 off-screen feats, all of them should scale to Sups.

Orion and two Green Lanterns fought a guy with Solar System level feats and tanked his system-exploding blasts.

But that is Rebirth. I don't deny that Rebirth DC is 4-B, but Pre-Rebirth is odd.

 

[The_Omnipotente]

great

 

[LordNephalem]

Orion and two Green Lanterns fought a guy with Solar System level feats and tanked his system-exploding blasts.

Someone should calculate that, it's a high level 4-B feat.

 

[Js250476]

Agreed plus maybe some other DC feats that I know of for Post Crisis

 

[Zensum]

The joker gas was also mentioned to weaken some of the heroes aka flash being slower while being exposed. But with supes also being bloodlusted I doubt the change mattered much

 

[Izreldan]

Bump

 

[AguilaR101]

How do you figure the microscopic red suns are legitimately as massive as actual red giants?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I thought it was stated that they were stated to be shrunken stars. If it isn't stated then we can't assume it. But if they are true shrunken stars then the mass would remain the same.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

They are shrunken stars shrunk by The Atom.

 

[Ryukama]

I remember there was a statement by Post-Flashpoint Superman where he said that exploding stars are nothing to him. Maybe we'd just view that as a hyperbole or inconsistent statement I don't know.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think I saw something like that too.

 

[Ryukama]

Expecting people to start shit-talking my source, but here.

 

[AguilaR101]

So what's the yield for this? throwing a punch with that mass high large planet, but I think supes destroying them will not be star level outright given that red giants have much lower GBE IIRC.

 

[Js250476]

What about Cyborg Superman going though Supernovas? That sounds solid tier 4 to me

 

[AguilaR101]

Not necessarily.

"Flying through a exploding supernova" implies the explosion had already happened, so the farther away he was from the center of the explosion the less energy he would be exposed to.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I imagine something akin to the Silver Surfer flying through stars as they explode.