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So, Post-Dangai Ichigo’s AP justification is “Comparable to his True Shikai form.” Where exactly does this come from? There’s no scans on his profile that explain this.
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Post-Dangai Ichigo Question
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I think it's due to the fact that in Chapter 619, Yhwach claims that Ichigo "reclaimed the power to defeat Sosuke Aizen". While some may argue that this is just referring to his general Shinigami powers and not necessarily his post-Dangai self, Yhwach's previous statement of Ichigo "increasing your own power so that you could defeat Sosuke Aizen" seems to suggest that the "power to defeat Aizen" that Yhwach is referring to is Ichigo's post-Dangai power.
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Yeah, I honestly don't think he's referring to a specific level of power there. He's referring to his spiritual abilities in general which is why Ginjo is shown there.
If it was solely about True Shikai = Dangai, then why would Ginjo be given a panel there at all?
If it was solely about True Shikai = Dangai, then why would Ginjo be given a panel there at all?
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Yeah, using that to justify it seems really iffy. Also I’m pretty sure we’re supposed to use Viz translations for manga verses on the wiki, and that says “Regaining the power you lost from defeating Sōsuke Aizen,” so yeah, it’s just referring to Ichigo regaining his powers during the Fullbring Arc.
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Yeah, Viz's translation makes more sense here.
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If that was the only thing justifying True Shikai = Post-Dangai, then that definitely needs to removed.
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I don't know if that was the only justification for it, only that Yhwach's statement is the most popular reason I see get thrown around in Bleach discussions. It's probably worth asking the more knowledgeable members on the series if there was any other reasoning. As a side note, would it be worth looking at the raw scan for this statement to see what the original japanese text says? Viz translations aren't always perfect.
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Uhh, the same viz scan was used to justify this. And if I recall there have been threads on this or discussions in scaling threads regarding this.
It was agreed that it would be Dangai Ichigo since that's the strongest Ichigo up until Blood War.
He regained the power that was used to defeat Aizen.
It was agreed that it would be Dangai Ichigo since that's the strongest Ichigo up until Blood War.
He regained the power that was used to defeat Aizen.
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I mean, it seems pretty obvious that Yhwach is just referring to Ichigo getting his powers back. There’s even a flashback to Ginjo, further supporting that idea.
Also if we did consider the statement to mean Ichigo was on par with the power that defeated Aizen, it would put True Shikai Ichigo on par with the Final Getsuga Tenshō, not just Post-Dangai.
Also if we did consider the statement to mean Ichigo was on par with the power that defeated Aizen, it would put True Shikai Ichigo on par with the Final Getsuga Tenshō, not just Post-Dangai.
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we can get the raw for that scan checked
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The Ginjo thing doesn't matter really. This is also what was argued in the past. Ichigo at his peak would be Dangai Ichigo. Not FB Ichigo.
Mugetsu is an attack that is rated as just “higher”.
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Explain why it doesn’t matter though. And I literally never said FB Ichigo would be Ichigo at his peak so I dunno why you’re saying that.
And? If we’re saying True Shikai Ichigo = the power that defeated Aizen, then it would only apply to the Final Getsuga Tenshō and not Post-Dangai.
That’s actually a good idea.
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It specifically is talking about the power he regained that he lost when he defeated Aizen. Which power would that be? Dangai Ichigo.
I literally just said it's an unquatifable attack. It would at least be as powerful as Dangai Ichigo himself since it's all his power so it doesn't matter.
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It’s saying he regained the powers he lost from beating Aizen, aka his Shinigami powers. Which again, is supported by the fact that it shows Ginjo.
You didn’t say it’s unquantifiable actually, you just said that it’s rated as ‘higher.’ So again, even if we took this statement as meaning True Shikai = power that defeated Aizen, that would make it equal to the Final Getsuga Tenshō (since that’s what actually beat Aizen) and not Post-Dangai.
So it’d be like ‘Post-Dangai tier, High 6-A with Final Getsuga Tenshō’
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Omg no...? Ichigo is a hybrid his Shinigami powers are his Hollow and Quincy powers.
I thought it was obvious by just look at his profile since it's just “higher”.
It wouldn't be like that at all. The technique is all his current power.
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Yes, I’m aware Ichigo is a hybrid, this changes literally nothing.
You’re not explaining why it wouldn’t be like that, you’re just saying “it shouldn’t be like this because I said so.”
Thank you.
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Honestly, that should just be taken out and given another justification for Dangai, as he's at most equal to TS Ichigo, likely much weaker as Old Man Zangetsu himself said Ichigo was all this time only using the bits of power he couldn't contain, so True Shikai Ichigo should be much stronger than Dangai.
For Dangai's justification, it should be something like: "He's a transcendent being beyond all Shinigami and Hollows, and far superior to even God Aizen who is another transcendent", or something like that.
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Forgot about that scan.
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高めたその力は藍染惣右介を倒す為に
そして藍染惣右介を倒し失った力を
再び取り戻したのは
私の眼前で霊王の命を断つ為だったのだ
The power you raised up to take down Aizen Sousuke...
And that the power that you lost to defeat him...
You've regained it...
Only to cut down the life of the Soul King right before my eyes!
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Hm, so the Final Getsuga Tenshō is comparable to True Shikai.
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