Post Crisis Superman upgrade

AgentStarter · Mar 14, 2019

Pistashio_TV · Mar 14, 2019

Agreed. 3-A/Low 2-C Superman would be fair enough.

ShadowWarrior1999 · Mar 14, 2019

I'm pretty sure these are considered outliers.

KLOL506 · Mar 14, 2019

HOHOHOHOHOHO NO

Like Shadow said, OUTLIERS.

Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer · Mar 14, 2019

I'll check the links out later out of curiosity but I honestly don't know much about DC; that said, it seems odd that there would be 26+ outliers but perhaps it's possible.

ShadowWarrior1999 · Mar 14, 2019

DC and Marvel are full of PIS.

ABoogieYesSir · Mar 14, 2019

OUTLIERS!

SomebodyData · Mar 14, 2019

Some of these aren't even Universal+ feats, so @Endless not sure about that.

Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer · Mar 15, 2019

@SD

Neither am I as I haven't clicked any of the links yet; the point was that, assuming the feats are legit, 26+ seems like a high number of outliers

Antvasima · Mar 15, 2019

See our Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics page. They both recurrently operate on the principle that anybody can fight anybody, so scaling from opponents that are enormously outside of the regular degree of power is very unreliable.

You can ask Matthew Schroeder to comment here though.

Antvasima · Mar 15, 2019

Also, the scans that I inspected seem to be far less exaggerated than you described or simply unquantifiable, but I did not have the time to check through them all.

Firestorm808 · Mar 15, 2019

I would appreciate if you would provide the issue numbers so we may better understand the context of these feats and provide a proper cross-examination. In the blog below, I have several feats cataloged and am looking for additional assistance in the matter.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...sis_New_Earth_Superman_Feats_Timeline_Project

My Current Analysis of your feats:

Superman withstands Death (Universal feat) https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-df347197388bf0735ef1d25550db8a4e.webp

I am not familiar with this incarnation of death. Is there a clear or quantifiable example of this beings power? What is the context of their fight?

Blitzes Imperiax Probe(Carry portions of the big bang) https://imgur.com/a/HkvTF

Imperiex Probes require a large machine to just to destroy a galaxy as shown in the same issue.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b88b318d70624df19c8b5d6edf5d2e89 After getting a sun dip, Superman could move Warworld despite it was using its thrusters at full power. Warworld at that time had also absorbed all the Imperiex's (who is Universal+) energy making this feat even more impressive.

The force required to push back Warworld is determined by its mass and its thrust. You cannot judge this with the power source. For example, Androids 17 and 18 have limitless energy, but they are limited in terms of output. Imperiex's Universal energy output is only through self-destruction.

Can destroy realities https://imgur.com/a/z0yvm

Dominus was able to turn Superman's nightmares real and create whole new realities. However, you need to prove that it is an infinite 3-D and not just limited to what thoughts Superman provides.

fight with Kal-L(Earth-Two Superman) shattered Tima and Space https://imgur.com/a/ESIV7

Just by the description of the feat itself, it is too vague to give a physical value. If anything, this feat reflects his limited space-time manipulation.

smashes endless illusions/realities https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bc75f6c7377796c302ecc2ab73cc4485

I can't read this resolution.

Removes highfather's staff from source wall https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ed1d7f93af31f33095ece8065fa98869

That's not a clear or quantifiable feat.

Superman releasing Darkseid from the Source https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_avatar/12/125391/5431699-1o+rco002_1468911878.jpg, https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/square_avatar/12/125391/5431700-1o+rco003_1468911878.jpg, https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_avatar/12/125391/5431701-1o+rco004_1468932420.jpg

I can't read this resolution. Never the less, that's not a clear or quantifiable feat.

Pushes through time and space and punches Death in the jaw, https://i.imgur.com/GniFoFH.jpg, https://i.imgur.com/MB5M3eW.jpg, https://i.imgur.com/qlps21z.jpg

I need more context as to how Superman got into this situation in the first place. In any case, this isn't a universal feat, just possibly space-time manipulation.

Superman can move outside time and space https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-30bdd51ec6013aef81743fa7f3395d30

This is New 52 Superman. See the collar. Also, This is not a universal feat.

And superman can transcend time as well https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b8aa8c43cc413e0a58f7ba4f9e7bc04f

There is no mention of time. Also there is no context as to who this blue person is.

Rebirth Superman who's weaker then Post Crisis Superman stated that he could have destroyed the phantom zone which is as big as the dc universe, https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4fedb11abbf096ff0e6a06e2f41df454, https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ff0589ee5ad1e98563b8ead0bf95ca54

I can't even read what the second picture says.

Superman was able to harm God Brainiac, It not only hurt God Brainiac, who resided outside the universe, and not only hurt him, but every version across the multiverse. That means Superman's Punch was felt throughout the entire multiverse! https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3db9a2b48f3cca64bf37471fe8e04dad

I'm going to need the issue to understand the context of this.

Rebirth Superman stated he could destroy realites https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e09666e257621f43ff11add53da1dfb

That is not what is stated at all. The guy asks, "Are you willing to tear down the walls of reality to find them? How many universes will you cross to reach them?" Superman answers, "As many as it takes." Nowhere in this page says that Superman will destroy universes. This is just travel between universes.

Well more proof , he actually did ! https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1829c6454726b72e788b319f843d7e06, https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e3ae8fec158bbba440232e7bd2da7474, https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a84b99e951e6c35cfa426fa62e173128, https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-89a01aafcb561df57cbd87585d5909dd

Nowhere in any of these panels did Superman destroy a universe. He just traveled across different ones.

Antvasima · Mar 15, 2019

@Firestorm808

Thank you for taking the time to check through the scans.

Firestorm808 · Mar 15, 2019

Superman harmed Emperor Joker who's Beyond Multiversal, https://dreager1.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/576a5_ac770ar7.jpg

IIRC Joker was just playing around. Also, this is implying that Superman is High 2-A, which he's definitley not.

Superman matched Time-Trapper Superboy Prime who's as strong as the Original Time Trapper, https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/28028/783773-prime_wars_213.jpg, Time Trapper could warp all timelines, https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111279017/5392272-8806734204-51728.jpg

All Superman did in the panel is punch the time trapper once.

Superman cracked the Source Wall https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c4e8ffc2e50f6dbda3110880cda97a3a

Superman didn't crack the source wall, he stuck Darkseid into it. Also, the outer layer of the source wall is made up of other beings who failed to break through the source wall.

Survives source wall explosion, https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fc2d9983fecd0f81db8796168a8f8b5b

https://imgur.com/a/qYJsj If you had a picture with better resolution, you would see that Superman had a solid light prison around him prior to the explosion. After the explosion, the prison breaks. Before and after the explosion, Metron was just fine. It turns out, the source created a pan dimensional breach (transported them) to keep them from interfering.

Kal-Kent, Who's on par with Superman, entered into the 5TH DIMENSION https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9a0e8328eb317403842983bb9d2533bd

This is just dimensional travel.

Shattered Dimensions with his fists, https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-210fed9c1bc13843776a7e735314e25b

Again, he didn't destroy an entire dimension, he broke through the wall in order to enter it.

Superman wiped out entire Timeline with a single punches, https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-eebda8c44d6f5a39f18d3f8c777da879

First off, if he destroyed the timeline, everyone in that timeline would be dead, which they're not.

Superman knocked out Orion, Orion, like the New Gods, Exists in the 4th world which exists beyond the Universe., https://i.imgur.com/OK3Q1D1.jpg

You do realize all the New Gods we see are just avatars, right?

Superman went through a distracted Soulfire Darkseid, and was able to inflict a bit of pain. , http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/33308/2197169-owned.jpg, http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/33308/2197170-owned.jpg Likely a universal feat or Multi-Universal , Because Darkseid later stomped him and he (SF Darkseid) also around Hyperversal as he dominated The Source: http://static.comicvine.com/uplo..., http://static.comicvine.com/uplo..., http://static.comicvine.com/uplo..., http://static.comicvine.com/uplo..., http://static.comicvine.com/uplo...

It's already been agreed that the Death of the New Gods is full of outliers for the sake of the story. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2503669

Firestorm808 · Mar 15, 2019

No problem. I'm an archivist. I try to take note of everything. Still requesting assistance on feat citations.

AgentStarter · Mar 15, 2019

i know some of then are not Universal i just bringed it up for upgrade him to a higher level then 4-A.

Anyways Rebirth Superman said:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140199/6690190-rco019.jpg

I Can make this entire dimension cease to exist

If this is Hyperbole then Universal SSG Goku would be hyperbole as well.

Xantospoc · Mar 15, 2019

The feats of Superman fighting 'Death' (which calls itself the death of 'the universe' and 'you') are from 'Superman,where's thy Sting', which is more of a psychological battle,with Superman implyingthe events didn't quite actually happen (although Death claims it'snot the case), so they are meant to be ambiguous and not meant to be real per se,but more of a battle of wills

Antvasima · Mar 15, 2019

An unproven claim is not remotely enough for such a massive upgrade.

Xantospoc · Mar 15, 2019

Plus he said "if I put my head on it", which implied he would be destroyed withmore than just brute force

Xtas · Mar 15, 2019

I gotta agree with there being a lot of so-called "outliers" on here.

Firestorm808 · Mar 15, 2019

When it comes to SSG Goku, it said multiple times by characters and the narrator that the universe will be destroyed.

Antvasima · Mar 15, 2019

Yes, and we were shown evidence in combination with the statements, which were not to be taken figuratively, or up to interpretation regarding how it would be carried out.

Firestorm808 · Mar 21, 2019

Can we add Dimensional Travel as a power?

Antvasima · Mar 21, 2019

Based on what?

Firestorm808 · Mar 21, 2019

Based on OPs examples of dimensional travel.

Antvasima · Mar 22, 2019

I do not notice any examples of him travelling to other realities there.

Firestorm808 · Mar 22, 2019

I believe it only applies to Rebirth Superman

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e09666e257621f43ff11add53da1dfb

The guy asks, "Are you willing to tear down the walls of reality to find them? How many universes will you cross to reach them?" Superman answers, "As many as it takes."

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e3ae8fec158bbba440232e7bd2da7474

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-89a01aafcb561df57cbd87585d5909dd

Antvasima · Mar 22, 2019

That is not proper evidence.

Firestorm808 · Mar 22, 2019

Ah, okay.

Antvasima · Mar 22, 2019

So should we close this thread?

Qawsedf234 · Mar 22, 2019

> I am not familiar with this incarnation of death. Is there a clear or quantifiable example of this beings power? What is the context of their fight?

Regarding the context, death in this particular case was Superman's personal death. It also might have been a survivor's guilt induced fever dream rather that something that happened.

In either case Superman never harmed death in the story, he beat him by being so heroic that his personal death was inspired to be a better person/cosmic entity.

fandom_0551E80Y · Mar 23, 2019

DC makes no sense sometimes.

Antvasima · Mar 23, 2019

That is an understatement, although it is not as incoherent as Marvel.

Antvasima · Mar 23, 2019

Anyway, is there anything left to do here?

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