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Possible upgrade for Akuto Sai?

Sorry if I tell you, but it is useless to deny it just because you think differently from reality.
We may think otherwise, but remember that we do not have the Japanese mentality. In fact, the author clarified many things on Twitter, simply because only by thinking with the Japanese mentality you can come to understand certain things.
Any doubts you have, try asking the author directly on Twitter.
Im not denying here anything. If anything at all im open to hear you out and see if you can give an actual proper answer.

And asking the twitter questions for actual good feats is useless since he multiple times turned down people asking questions about the strength of the characters. (for example the guy who asked about if akuto’s stories can be compared to the stories of DC)
 
Non aiuta affatto il tuo caso qui. Non hai davvero confutato la mia argomentazione sulla contraddizione, e no, non sto affatto parlando della situazione dell'onnipotenza qui. Una verità innegabile è che il tloi si adatta all'antiverso a causa del fatto che lo ha creato lei. Dire che Akuto trascende tloi significa che sarebbe al di sopra dell'Antiverso che secondo la tua tesi è qualcosa al di sopra della finzione e veramente qualcosa di trasceso su tutto.

"tloi richiede un'altra persona, è necessaria un'altra persona (Akuto Sai) Infatti, ha dichiarato che Tloi non è onnipotente per questo motivo"

per lo stesso ragionamento anche Akuto non è onnipotente poiché non potrebbe raggiungere o creare l'antiverso da solo.

E da notare è che nessun essere nella finzione ha una vera onni-capacità, l'intero concetto di onnipotenza non esiste davvero nella finzione perché si tradurrebbe in un NLF.

I don’t see how this is a rebutall at all tbh.


But well I hope he re reads the series to give. a good responds for the weird questions to recieve.
And who says he can't create it himself? I remind you that they co-created it together, there was never a handicap in Akuto Sai, only by Tloi. Also here we are talking about how after the author reread the final part, he reconfirmed how he Transcends Tloi. I want to remind you that in Japanese Void Body is associated with word Anti-universe tbh. They are related together and are part of the same passage, therefore it is thanks to Akuto Sai that everyone is saved, it is the person who is requested in the ritual.
Thanks to the ritual, Akuto Sai became omnipotent and therefore together they created the anti-universe. They literally got married, as they mean. There is no longer a question of true detachments here, but no one says he couldn't do it on his own once he got there. Remember it's all thanks to Akuto Sai that what happened in the finale happened. I repeat, I see no inconsistency. If in doubt, ask the author.
 
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Im not denying here anything. If anything at all im open to hear you out and see if you can give an actual proper answer.

And asking the twitter questions for actual good feats is useless since he multiple times turned down people asking questions about the strength of the characters. (for example the guy who asked about if akuto’s stories can be compared to the stories of DC)
No, he does not answer only if other works are put in other than his own, just like DC. Otherwise not even he would have answered on the question of omnipotence, transcendence, etc.
 
And who says he can't create it himself? I remind you that they co-created it together, there was never a handicap in Akuto Sai, only by Tloi. Also here we are talking about how after the author reread the final part, he reconfirmed how he Transcends Tloi. I want to remind you that in Japanese Void Body is associated with Anti-universe tbh. They are related together and are part of the same passage, therefore it is thanks to Akuto Sai that everyone is saved, it is the person who is requested in the ritual. I repeat, I see no inconsistency. If in doubt, ask the author.
This still isn’t answering the contradiction.

And who says he can't create it himself?

The antiverse is described as something above the notions of framework of the stories which were eleborated on earlier in the series.

His stories all falling into chaos and his stories not containing the antiverse already tells you that Akuto can’t create it. All of Akuto’s stories are a part of tloi’s story which is inferior to the antiverse.

But tbh arguing about this is honestly useless if you actually read the novel, Since the novel very clearly indicate that the antiverse is something above everything and above every story.

But ill digress, It seems like you just are completely misconstruing what im trying to say here and you’re not really answering my other Arguments.
 
This still isn’t answering the contradiction.

And who says he can't create it himself?

The antiverse is described as something above the notions of framework of the stories which were eleborated on earlier in the series.

His stories all falling into chaos and his stories not containing the antiverse already tells you that Akuto can’t create it. All of Akuto’s stories are a part of tloi’s story which is inferior to the antiverse.

But tbh arguing about this is honestly useless if you actually read the novel, Since the novel very clearly indicate that the antiverse is something above everything and above every story.

But ill digress, It seems like you just are completely misconstruing what im trying to say here and you’re not really answering my other Arguments.
But if you read the final part it clearly indicates that there is no contradiction, after their union, literally everything has logic.
Moreover, in the work itself it is said that the Void Body exceeds 0, so I don't understand why to deny this fact.
Not to mention that in other posts it has been declared boundless ...
Please re-read my message above, as I have also edited it. However, I repeat it one last time, if you want true confirmation or if you want to reject these "contradictions" for yourself, you have to ask the author directly. Because although Akuto could not do in the past as you say, towards the end of the work he can, so everything changes. As you reject, I can reject too, and so on. I have simply said the logic that the author has confirmed, which I see coherence. If you don't like the idea, ask the author directly, you will see that he will answer you, we might as well try. However, I was simply saying to update the page for the information, the tier takes a back seat, it has absolutely no priority.
 
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This still isn’t answering the contradiction.

And who says he can't create it himself?

The antiverse is described as something above the notions of framework of the stories which were eleborated on earlier in the series.

His stories all falling into chaos and his stories not containing the antiverse already tells you that Akuto can’t create it. All of Akuto’s stories are a part of tloi’s story which is inferior to the antiverse.

But tbh arguing about this is honestly useless if you actually read the novel, Since the novel very clearly indicate that the antiverse is something above everything and above every story.

But ill digress, It seems like you just are completely misconstruing what im trying to say here and you’re not really answering my other Arguments.
There are news!
The author has made it clear why Void Body is so much superior to everyone in the work. Being that the work is based on solpsism, not only on our part, but also on the part of the characters, since this is what the novel tells, The Void Body instead represents the impossible, the impossible for the characters. It has all its clear logic.
 
There are news!
The author has made it clear why Void Body is so much superior to everyone in the work. Being that the work is based on solpsism, not only on our part, but also on the part of the characters, since this is what the novel tells, The Void Body instead represents the impossible, the impossible for the characters. It has all its clear logic.


Okay imma slow this down for you.

We already came to consensus that the antiverse is something that is completely transcended over anything and that all notions related to the idea of cosmological structures would be inferior, Same goes to any human notion. If we go by such presupposition then by default nothing can be above it.

So by asserting that Akuto is above Tloi that would mean that Akuto would be above the antiverse due to the fact tloi scales to the antiverse. Which obviously isn’t the case. see the contradiction yet

Not only that, But even if voidbody transcends tloi, That would just bring Akuto to one layer into high outer. I don’t see how you came to the conclusion its boundless.
 
Hmm?

Anti-Universe > Void Body = TLOI > Everything else. That's just my take on it.
space folded up around Akuto and completely closed.

“Will you be taking me with you?” asked Korone as she was sucked up into Akuto.

“Zero showed that a L’Isle-Adam gains a sense of self once a personality sets in. You too have a sense of self.”

Akuto smiled and his own physical body rapidly shrank as he was taken into Keena.

Finally, Keena turned inside out and disappeared into the new land that was the anti-universe.


Mhm? Pretty sure both keena and Akuto reached the antiverse
 
Yeah, ok? I don't see what's that supposed to prove exactly. Since they are both in the anti-universe they are both above the discomfort of "I am me" (as the author on Twitter has put it)
 
Yeah, ok? I don't see what's that supposed to prove exactly. Since they are both in the anti-universe they are both above the discomfort of "I am me" (as the author on Twitter has put it)
Wait what? im confused rn

Didn’t you say,

Anti-universe>void body

Im simply showing that Akuto reached the antiverse which would scale him to it.
 
Well yeah, but to get to the Anti-Universe the Void Body ritual has to be performed which is what raised Akuto to TLOI's level. Something like that.
 
Because the Void Body is the ritual which can be performed by someone who isn't apart of the anti-universe(TLOI) to get there, and when you do you're above all stories or above the discomfort of "I am me". Which is why the Anti-Universe scales above it.
 
After the characters attain the void body and disappear into the anti-universe, they continue to beyond the anti-universe to reach an impossible place to achieve the miracle of the birth of the universe
 
Hmm?

Anti-Universe > Void Body = TLOI > Everything else. That's just my take on it.
Wrong. the anti-universe was co-created through the empty body and keena, then it will be destroyed and converted just as the author said. Therefore anti-universe cannot be superior since they do as they please with the anti-universe.
 
Okay imma slow this down for you.

We already came to consensus that the antiverse is something that is completely transcended over anything and that all notions related to the idea of cosmological structures would be inferior, Same goes to any human notion. If we go by such presupposition then by default nothing can be above it.

So by asserting that Akuto is above Tloi that would mean that Akuto would be above the antiverse due to the fact tloi scales to the antiverse. Which obviously isn’t the case. see the contradiction yet

Not only that, But even if voidbody transcends tloi, That would just bring Akuto to one layer into high outer. I don’t see how you came to the conclusion its boundless.
There is no contradiction because with the anti-universe they do what they like. Second, the anti-universe echoes exactly with Void Body, since that's how the Japanese think according to the author. Furthermore I would like to remind you that Void Body necessarily transcends Tloi, since the author has clearly said that the impossible of Void Body makes it possible to solve the first question, that is how the work was born = Who am I? According to the author, in fact, the Void Body exceeds what is the law of identity (in the sense of the word, that is, there is no doubt that an object is an object), since he has already declared that the Void Body it was inspired by a book he read (which you have to read to understand) which overcomes this situation, is a kind of divinity, of which we cannot understand, who has the power to do the impossible. Ergo Void Body> Tloi. The situation for the "boundless" was said by the author himself. In one post he made it clear that he is Boundless, that he is limitless in anything, so much so that he can do anything we humans imagine, he is unrestricted in any way. In fact, so omnipotent in his work, that the Void Body also becomes omniscient unlike Tloi (obviously always according to the author as it should be). If now you want to go even against these statements that have logic, go ahead, in that case it would not make sense what you would say, since you have not yet understood that the work is based on solpsism and that the Void Body is a concept already created elsewhere, where he got his inspiration from.
 
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Wrong. the anti-universe was co-created through the empty body and keena, then it will be destroyed and converted just as the author said. Therefore anti-universe cannot be superior since they do as they please with the anti-universe.
Still above the void body since it's = to TLOI and Anti-Universe is unreachable. Being "beyond" anti-universe could very well be deciding what they do then or something. Like how author briefly said what he hopes the characters will be. So it still stays. Or else it kind of contradicts the whole point of it being beyond all stories. Then again author also said anyone's interpretation of the series is fine for the most part. (Or at least he doesn't mind/care enough) So I don't really care for arguing these points beyond surface level.

Edit: also possible that both void body AND the anti-universe are both only needed for a moment and then they go beyond all stories. That's what I'm currently leaning towards.
 
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There is no contradiction because with the anti-universe they do what they like. Second, the anti-universe echoes exactly with Void Body, since that's how the Japanese think according to the author. Furthermore I would like to remind you that Void Body necessarily transcends Tloi, since the author has clearly said that the impossible of Void Body makes it possible to solve the first question, that is how the work was born = Who am I? According to the author, in fact, the Void Body exceeds what is the law of identity (in the sense of the word, that is, there is no doubt that an object is an object), since he has already declared that the Void Body it was inspired by a book he read (which you have to read to understand) which overcomes this situation, is a kind of divinity, of which we cannot understand, who has the power to do the impossible. Ergo Void Body> Tloi. The situation for the "boundless" was said by the author himself. In one post he made it clear that he is Boundless, that he is limitless in anything, so much so that he can do anything we humans imagine, he is unrestricted in any way. In fact, so omnipotent in his work, that the Void Body also becomes omniscient unlike Tloi (obviously always according to the author as it should be). If now you want to go even against these statements that have logic, go ahead, in that case it would not make sense what you would say, since you have not yet understood that the work is based on solpsism and that the Void Body is a concept already created elsewhere, where he got his inspiration from.
This isn’t addressing the contradiction at all

Can someone else explain it to him what im trying to say cause he for some reason just doesn’t see the contradiction.

As for the “Void body is unlimited and omnipotent blah blah” Like I previously said, We don’t take simple statements like that to face value. If we did many characters would be boundless. Same goes for the completely unlimited statement.
 
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Still above the void body since it's = to TLOI and Anti-Universe is unreachable. Being "beyond" anti-universe could very well be deciding what they do then or something. Like how author briefly said what he hopes the characters will be. So it still stays. Or else it kind of contradicts the whole point of it being beyond all stories. Then again author also said anyone's interpretation of the series is fine for the most part. (Or at least he doesn't mind/care enough) So I don't really care for arguing these points beyond surface level.

Edit: also possible that both void body AND the anti-universe are both only needed for a moment and then they go beyond all stories. That's what I'm currently leaning towards.
"It's possible" ? It is, it is quite different. If you see on Twitter the author has made it clear that Void Body and the Anti-universe are needed only for a moment. He said everything and more, you just have to read Twitter.
 
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Ngl, the author explicitly said that Akuta (void body) transcends Tloi and the void body is there to present the impossible to make possible. I don't see any counterargument that does not make him boundless.
 
This isn’t addressing the contradiction at all

Can someone else explain it to him what im trying to say cause he for some reason just doesn’t see the contradiction.

As for the “Void body is unlimited and omnipotent blah blah” Like I previously said, We don’t take simple statements like that to face value. If we did many characters would be boundless. Same goes for the completely unlimited statement.
No, you take the author's nominal statements, more than anything else not in a simple way since it must correspond to the work itself. So for a lot characters there is contradictory, but here no. Because the problem is that the author is declaring to you extra things that he himself would have wanted to write in the novel, he said so himself, and the same goes for the more detailed question of the anti-universe etc, ergo all canon, so you can't deny it. Moreover, always through Twitter he said the true ending of the work, extra situations about the characters and anything else about the empty body (READ THE NOVEL DEATH SPIRIT, TO UNDERSTAND BETTER ABOUT OF VOID BODY, ALSO FOR TRANSCENDENCE AND MORE, IF YOU LIKE ). Furthermore: 1) it does not contradict the work 2) they are truthful stuff for the author and official 3) it explains and expands the whole, so it makes no sense to deny objectivity, since moreover everything declared matches.


 
The problem is it doesn't stated in novel, and the novel finished years ago, and as far as I know in this forum, we don't take author statement unless it stated in novel
 
No, you take the author's nominal statements, more than anything else not in a simple way since it must correspond to the work itself. So for a lot characters there is contradictory, but here no. Because the problem is that the author is declaring to you extra things that he himself would have wanted to write in the novel, he said so himself, and the same goes for the more detailed question of the anti-universe etc, ergo all canon, so you can't deny it. Moreover, always through Twitter he said the true ending of the work, extra situations about the characters and anything else about the empty body (READ THE NOVEL DEATH SPIRIT, TO UNDERSTAND BETTER ABOUT OF VOID BODY, ALSO FOR TRANSCENDENCE AND MORE, IF YOU LIKE ). Furthermore: 1) it does not contradict the work 2) they are truthful stuff for the author and official 3) it explains and expands the whole, so it makes no sense to deny objectivity, since moreover everything declared matches.



You still didn’t adress how it is not a contradiction whatsoever. At this point you’re are just trying to rat your way out of it every time you just bring the author in this and say some things like how certain branches of philosophy is connected to the void void which isn’t addressing the contradiction whatsoever.


Imma say it once more, If you aren’t going to give a non anecdotal response like you did the previous times Imma just leave it at this.


We already came to the consensus that the Anti-universe is something which is transcended over every human notion and etc.

Now by default, with the agreement we made, Nothing can be above it. Now by asserting that Akuto is above tloi this would mean that he would be above the Anti-universe which obviously debunks the notion of the anti-universe being transcended over anything.

See how your premises don’t line up.

Now try to make a coherent argument for why Akuto is above the antiverse but the antiverse is still something that is transcended over anything(hence you can’t)

To very simply it for you since ive noticed that people in the debating community because more illerate when I left.

By your our previous agreement

Anti-verse>>>>Anything and everything.

By your our previous agreement^

Antiverse=Ttloi

One of your premises entails that Akuto>Tloi

Thereofre

Akuto>Antiverse¥

This Contradicts our earlier consensus.



Now, You see the contradiction now correct?
 
Ngl, the author explicitly said that Akuta (void body) transcends Tloi and the void body is there to present the impossible to make possible. I don't see any counterargument that does not make him boundless.
The burden of proof is on him to substantiate his reasoning behind why it would even be boundless.

And ive already refuted the fact that the author’s statements aren’t coherent with the actual piece if work we’re discussing here. Mind debunking that since you think he makes sense?

Mind substantiating your reasons behind why it would be tier 0 too while you’re at it?
 
The problem is it doesn't stated in novel, and the novel finished years ago, and as far as I know in this forum, we don't take author statement unless it stated in novel
Yes, but he said on Twitter that he wanted to write this information in the novel. So in reality the situation is quite different, it would be valid, but despite this she preferred to say it only on Twitter. I do not understand the reason for denying an absolutely truthful situation. That is, it is not something said just to say or it is something invented at the moment, they are simply stuff that she would have liked to write years ago, as declared by the author himself. Moreover, these statements made by the author do not even contradict the work, therefore one more reason to accept the situation. But ok, do as you like. The important thing is that you have understood that the Void Body transcends Tloi, since the Void Body is also used above all for that, after all it was also created with that meaning and principle, to be beyond the 自 同 律 の 不快.
Also I had simply asked in priority, just to update Akuto Sai's page on general information only, as so much extra information has come out on Twitter. But even in this case, despite being truthful information, do as you wish.
See ya
 
The problem is it doesn't stated in novel, and the novel finished years ago, and as far as I know in this forum, we don't take author statement unless it stated in novel
The problem isn’t even that. Its just too vague and it doesn’t align up whatsoever. and the author making repulsive tweets doesn’t help it either. But tbh idc about the Tloi and Akuto stuff im only here to discuss the scaling since I want to hear their reasoning on boundless daimao <Although equivocating for boundless daimao isn’t that hard its just that people are bad at it.>
 
The burden of proof is on him to substantiate his reasoning behind why it would even be boundless.

And ive already refuted the fact that the author’s statements aren’t coherent with the actual piece if work we’re discussing here. Mind debunking that since you think he makes sense?

Mind substantiating your reasons behind why it would be tier 0 too while you’re at it?
I'll answer you, read Death Spirit and you'll understand the situation better.
 
You still didn’t adress how it is not a contradiction whatsoever. At this point you’re are just trying to rat your way out of it every time you just bring the author in this and say some things like how certain branches of philosophy is connected to the void void which isn’t addressing the contradiction whatsoever.


Imma say it once more, If you aren’t going to give a non anecdotal response like you did the previous times Imma just leave it at this.


We already came to the consensus that the Anti-universe is something which is transcended over every human notion and etc.

Now by default, with the agreement we made, Nothing can be above it. Now by asserting that Akuto is above tloi this would mean that he would be above the Anti-universe which obviously debunks the notion of the anti-universe being transcended over anything.

See how your premises don’t line up.

Now try to make a coherent argument for why Akuto is above the antiverse but the antiverse is still something that is transcended over anything(hence you can’t)

To very simply it for you since ive noticed that people in the debating community because more illerate when I left.

By your our previous agreement

Anti-verse>>>>Anything and everything.

By your our previous agreement^

Antiverse=Ttloi

One of your premises entails that Akuto>Tloi

Thereofre

Akuto>Antiverse¥

This Contradicts our earlier consensus.



Now, You see the contradiction now correct?
Do you realize that the ritual to create the Void Body precisely resolve this contradiction? LMAO, are you serious that you still haven't figured it out? I repeat once again (AND DON'T BE A LAZY BOY HERE PLEASE ), if you think you have something to object to, tell the author directly. Whatever the doubt, just ask him on Twitter because he has created a very interesting logical thread and a peculiar thought that is understandable almost only for the Japanese.
 
Just explain it, im too busy to read an entire novel.

Just give the answer.
If you were too busy, you wouldn't even waste time answering lol. You have 365 days a year, you will see that everything can be read sooner or later (Again, don't be lazy). See ya
 
Do you realize that the ritual to create the Void Body precisely resolve this contradiction? LMAO, are you serious that you still haven't figured it out? I repeat once again (AND DON'T BE A LAZY BOY HERE PLEASE ), if you think you have something to object to, tell the author directly. Whatever the doubt, just ask him on Twitter because he has created a very interesting logical thread and a peculiar thought that is understandable almost only for the Japanese.
You literally again dodged the question……

Just give the answer without derailing.
 
If you were too busy, you wouldn't even waste time answering lol. You have 365 days a year, you will see that everything can be read sooner or later (Again, don't be lazy). See ya
So you’re literally going to ignore everything ive put forward and the duke your burden LMFAOOO💀😭
 
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