Possible upgrade for Akuto Sai?

[Dfg05]

Since akuto has been confirmed omnipotent in his void body form by the author of dkd himself, wouldn’t that make him boundless since he know transcends tloi?

 

[Confluctor]

Omnipotent is meaningless in every way. Usually, it wouldn't even grant you tier 2 without further context. But no, this doesn't seem like tier 0 stuff.

Also, the One Above All is like 1-A, so this seems like a downgrade

 

[Dfg05]

Omnipotent is meaningless in every way. Usually, it wouldn't even grant you tier 2 without further context. But no, this doesn't seem like tier 0 stuff.

Also, the One Above All is like 1-A, so this seems like a downgrade

Aight but at least omnipresence can be added to his page right ?

 

[Confluctor]

Does he have canon statements/feats - as in statements from the actual books?


Anyway, just ask @DontTalkDT

 

[Dfg05]

Uhh isn’t it considered canon if the author of the novel states it himself? And no it’s not in the book

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

Omnipotent doesnt grant any tiers here. Also the author is likely talking about how Akuto is the God of his stories similar to how TOAA is the God of Marvel. He doesnt say he is as powerful or more powerful.

 

[DontTalkDT]

That's nice supportive evidence, but tiering wise just solidifies the tier he has.

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

That's nice supportive evidence, but tiering wise just solidifies the tier he has.

honestly should be solid 1-A at a lowball already

 

[QuasiYuri]

Aren't guided answers not allowed in the first place ?

It really just confirms that Void Body is on TLOI level.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Man, the author must be really weirded out at this point with all those questions.

 

[Zencha9]

when the author is dead (or not idk, i'm not a debater)

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

Man, the author must be really weirded out at this point with all those questions.

Though maybe its not all bad. The author legit didnt know official english translations even existed before someone asked him some questions and cleared up where he got it from.

But at the same time, due to some fans now the author knows VSBW exists

 

[QuasiYuri]

"So about set theory-"
"Do I look like a mathematician to you?"

 

[CosmicWreck]

I actually really like how the author worded his sentence. He insisted that "in one multiverse" he's omnipotent. He relates characters from different franchises but makes sure to separate the cosmologies and insists on the limits of his abilities to strictly his own verse. That was such a nice thing to do.

Also, yeah, it doesn't mean anything for the reasons stated. (In one manga a fish was called omnipotent with feats that qualify it for only low 2C, and I'm pretty sure characters with even less impressive feats have been deemed 'omnipotent' before.

 

[Sniper670]

Uhh isn’t it considered canon if the author of the novel states it himself? And no it’s not in the book

The same question I have in mind

What's the concensus here of author statements with regards to upgrades like these

 

[Ayano_]

The same question I have in mind

What's the concensus here of author statements with regards to upgrades like these

I think it should be fine as long as it doesn’t contradict his work and is still coherent with the narrative.

 

[Yohata]

Omnipotence dont change the tier of the character
But i guess we should add omniscient and omnipresence to his profile

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

Hard to say anyone is Omniscient in DKD since even TLOI isn't. Though Akuto created different worlds so he is really smart and knowledgeable. And Akuto already has omnipresence on his profile.

 

[Dfg05]

Omnipotence dont change the tier of the character
But i guess we should add omniscient and omnipresence to his profile

I know it doesn’t, but it gives us information on how void body akuto scales compared to TLOI, in this case it would mean he transcends her

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

I know it doesn’t, but it gives us information on how void body akuto scales compared to TLOI, in this case it would mean he transcends her

No, he simply scales to TLOI via the void body. There is no transcendence here. Also this would just make him a layer into high outer if he were to transcend it.

 

[Dfg05]

No, he simply scales to TLOI via the void body. There is no transcendence here. Also this would just make him a layer into high outer if he were to transcend it.

Is it possible to have 2 omnipotent beings in the same verse? Cuz if it isn’t then he doesn’t scale to her but scales above her

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

Is it possible to have 2 omnipotent beings in the same verse? Cuz if it isn’t then he doesn’t scale to her but scales above her

No, it's not. And no, he doesn't scale above or trancend TLOI. He scales to it via the Void Body.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Is it possible to have 2 omnipotent beings in the same verse? Cuz if it isn’t then he doesn’t scale to her but scales above her

There is no omnipotent being in fiction.

 

[zero0031]

Is it possible to have 2 omnipotent beings in the same verse? Cuz if it isn’t then he doesn’t scale to her but scales above her

TLOI is not omnipotent, the author have confirmed it.

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

TLOI is still the highest authority. The only reason Akuto got to it is because he got upgraded by it via the void body lol

But yeah no being in fiction is omnipotent.

 

[Sniper670]

But yeah no being in fiction is omnipotent.

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[zero0031]

Not only Akuto, but also every spirit go to the anti-universe got to it.

 

[Averroes1]

Akuto sai has always been some “infinite powers and abilities" guy ngl.
He created an infinite amount of stories with (Logically) an infinite amount of powers and abilities.

 

[Ayano_]

be more correct. No being in fiction has true omni capability, the whole notion of omnipotency in fiction is flawed

TLOI is still the highest authority. The only reason Akuto got to it is because he got upgraded by it via the void body lol

But yeah no being in fiction is omnipotent.

 

[zero0031]

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Lol who threw this f*cking trash in here

 

[Sniper670]

Akuto sai has always been some “infinite powers and abilities" guy ngl.
He created an infinite amount of stories with (Logically) an infinite amount of powers and abilities.

No wonder tier 1As and above are so boring for matchups.

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

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Haven't read it. And from the quotes, I've seen I never want to read it.

Not only Akuto, but also every spirit go to the anti-universe got to it.

The Anti-Universe is completely unknown and the author wants it to be beyond our understanding. So it should be left out of any scaling in DKD.

Akuto sai has always been some “infinite powers and abilities" guy ngl.
He created an infinite amount of stories with (Logically) an infinite amount of powers and abilities.

The stories are finite but the combinations are infinite IIRC. Even then from what I remember even the afterlife counts as part of someone's fiction, that being TLOI's.

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

Since the original premise isn't getting accepted(tier 0 Akuto), I think we should upgrade him to a solid 1-A in the afterlife via the quotes from the author and statements in-verse since he can create any story that includes the infinite hierarchy this wiki has accepted.

 

[zero0031]

The Anti-Universe is completely unknown and the author wants it to be beyond our understanding. So it should be left out of any scaling in DKD.

The stories are finite but the combinations are infinite IIRC. Even then from what I remember even the afterlife counts as part of someone's fiction, that being TLOI's.

What DKD is?

 

[Averroes1]

No wonder tier 1As and above are so boring for matchups.

Yeah

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

What DKD is?

Abbreviation for Demon King Daimao lol

 

[zero0031]

Since the original premise isn't getting accepted(tier 0 Akuto), I think we should upgrade him to a solid 1-A in the afterlife via the quotes from the author and statements in-verse since he can create any story that includes the infinite hierarchy this wiki has accepted.

I haven't check the tier but if Akuto still not at 1-A, then someone really should make a thread to upg him

 

[Ayano_]

Haven't read it. And from the quotes, I've seen I never want to read it.


The Anti-Universe is completely unknown and the author wants it to be beyond our understanding. So it should be left out of any scaling in DKD.

The stories are finite but the combinations are infinite IIRC. Even then from what I remember even the afterlife counts as part of someone's fiction, that being TLOI's.

“The stories are finite but the combinations are infinite IIRC”, This gets reconned right after the statement of the space being finite by an actual feat -To keep the story more flat, he prepared an infinite surface, chairs, a table, drinks, and a few fruits. Even that was enough to create a story, but it would keep the story to a minimum. so the stories are not perse finate, There are some stories which are infinite due to the fact Akuto already effortlessly created an story which is infinite in size.

 

[Averroes1]

No, he simply scales to TLOI via the void body. There is no transcendence here. Also this would just make him a layer into high outer if he were to transcend it.

No, That is the transcendence of a Inaccessible cardinal (high 1-A)
Should be another inaccessible transcendence on top of that.

But yeah there isnt proof of akuto sai transcending TLOI anyways

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

I haven't check the tier but if Akuto still not at 1-A, then someone really should make a thread to upg him

He is Low 1-C, likely 1-A

“The stories are finite but the combinations are infinite IIRC”, This gets contradicted right after the statement of the space being finite, -To keep the story more flat, he prepared an infinite surface, chairs, a table, drinks, and a few fruits. Even that was enough to create a story, but it would keep the story to a minimum. so the stories are not perse finate, There are some stories which are infinite due to the fact Akuto already effortlessly created an story which is infinite in size.

I don't think you understood what I'm talking about or maybe I'm misunderstanding you lol

I am talking about the stories being finite but them having infinite combinations, not the stories as structures being finite. Maybe I'm just bad at explaining stuff