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Possible Metroid speed downgrade

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Um...

Definition of relativistic:

Accurately described only by the theory of relativity.
 
i guess, although this only further disproves the arguement, as even Fusion Suit Samus was able to dodge EMR waves
 
I think it's an isolated case personally, and I do believe Samus is FTL+, as opposed to MFTL+, but more people should comment on this.
 
@Somebody Realspace tech could just be pretty low compared to the hyperspace travel tech. Like, see WH40K for example. High-tiers can move FTL in realspace even though the Warp/hyperspace still exists. Same with Star Wars.
 
Hmmm. True @LordXcano, however, stating hyperspace may exist, at this point, seems more like headcanon with no evidence.

Also, @Sirius, maybe in their universe, the laws of speeds allow FTL - MFTL+, rather than 7.2 x 10C being Rela? I mean, it kinda makes more sense since by definition, any universe with FTL speeds would be relavistic in their own universe.
 
Didn't we explicitly see ships jump into hyperspace in MP3? Like I remember some "blast off into a streak of light and disappear" stuff going on, I think.
 
I think you may be talking about the wormholes?

Sorry, but I don't currently have MP3 in front of me
 
I was remembering that but then I remember that the Federation alone used some kind of presumed hyperspace, and Samus uses the same to get between planets.
 
Well in the GF case we never see the ships in action (except for the Norion battle, but that did not have hyperspace), the only other time was when they raided Phazee, which did have the wormhole...

In Samus's case, she does the same as the GF to get to Phazee, mainly because the location is unknown.
 
Did some research. Apparently Federation-made wormholes appear in Federation Force, so the Leviathan is not needed to make them. Chances are they used the Leviathan's wormhole to find the planet, not because they needed it to travel.
 
Can I ask to when the wormholes appear in FF?
 
Whichever mission has the Space Pirates attacking the Aegis with missiles
 
I suppose so. If the other participants are in agreement.
 
Not at all. @Antvasima and Living Trbunial1

@LordXcano, sorry, but I can't find the video? Can ya link it, it is a pretty big piece of info here. Unless it takes place post MP-3. Then it really has no effect here, and Samus would remain MFTL+
 
Is there a certain time when this happens? because I probably skipped it. @Xcano
 
Ah, you do know thats Space Pirate tech there, right? They had wormhole capabilities ever since MP3 (remember GFS Vahalla?)
 
Yeah I do. But I also don't see much reason to assume the Space Pirates are more advanced than the Federation.

(also it isn't clear when Fed Force takes place, it's just "during the Primes")
 
I just wanna point out that there is a giant gap, just look at the AP of the weapons for example. Or the Space Pirate Commandos/ Meta Ridley.

Eh, if it was even post-Metroid Prime, the Federation would have phazon already, the only moment I can see this happening is post-MP3
 
Well, as shown by Fed Force itself the gap obviously isn't too great. Even in MP3 you help some Federation soldiers fight through the Space Pirate homeworld.
 
Excuse me for not exactly remembering, but isn't a primary reason for that because of phazon closing the gap? Any other times, the GF were shown to be fodder. Just remember GFS Vahalla, which got fodderized by a space pirate ship far less than a quarter of the size.

Also, for Fed Force, the main reason is the Golem project made by the Chozo R & D Devision, which uses Chozo based technology.
 
The Valhalla was unexpected. Not only were the Pirates using their most advanced tech to attack the logbooks suggest this attack was far more well coordinated than most other Pirate attacks. Like sending in the Navy SEALs and then comparing them to the average ability of a US Marine. They were also using Phazon Metroids, something nobody other than the top-tiers of the verse can handle.

On Aether the Federation was able to defeat a Space Pirate frigate with a single task force, only taking damage when they entered a storm. The logbook in MP3 even states that "few can match [Federation Marines] in combat".
 
The Pirates were not using their most advanced tech (where did you get that?), they were using only one space pirate boading pod, something which half of its entry is about how crappy it is. That fact alone, shows that the pirates are not afraid of the GF that much. Phazon metroids are actually another example of how much more advanced the Pirates are. It took the GF months (From SM to Metroid Other M) for the GF to begin to advance the metroids through their natural process. By the literal hours that the pirates had obtained the baby metroid, they had already amplified the Baby to an unnatural and superior form to that of the Queen/ Omega Metroid. (Pirates) For phazon, it takes about a week to two months to successfully combine the metroids with phazon and about a few weeks to create the Omega Pirate (Mind you the GF PED project began 6 months prior to MP3, after MP2, meaning that it took about six months for them).

Ah yes, the marines however later got wiped out by the splinters and dark splinters, where as the space pirates didn't. Remember, the space pirates had others back on the planet, it would be much more taticial to return back towards the base, if it wasn't for the also likely possibility that the magnetic field also pulled the pirates in. "Few can match them in combat", that "few" would likely include the pirates.
 
"The G.F.S. Valhalla was on a training mission after receiving new crew at Tivus. We believe the Valhalla was ambushed en route to the training base by a fleet of pirate vessels. Data suggests the pirates were using upgraded starships powered by Phazon; that plus superior numbers were more than the Valhalla could handle. Current whereabouts of the Valhalla are unknown; she is presumed destroyed in action."

"The vision of [Dark Samus] is vast indeed. As we prepared for war with the hated Galactic Federation, she decided she required one of their great machines to better control her living planet. We then set out to bring an Aurora Unit to Dark Samus.

Bribes led us to the location of our prize: the battleship Valhalla. Crewed with green recruits on a training missio, she was ours for the taking. One of the mightiest ships in the cosmos was no match for the Phazon-powered weapons of the Colossus. We rendered Valhalla helpless, then sent raiders to claim our prize. The Aurora was ours!"

So basically Dark Samus helps them advance their tech and then attacks an unaware ship filled with recruits with the most powerful ship in the Space Pirate fleet (presumably) and vastly superior numbers. Unknown if Dark Samus herself helped them out though.
 
Hmmm, data suggests that the starships were enhanced, and so does the space pirate logs, however, specifically the weaponry was enhanced. I like to note here that shortly after attacking Vahalla, was when the space pirate boarding pod had boarded the ship, meaning that while the ability to disenable the ship is immpressive, it had little actual effect. Yes, the GFS Vahalla had new recruits, but GFS Olympus wasn't, and a similar scenerio was occuring til the bounty hunters interfered (Note, in this fight the GF had the PED suits, but barly any pirates had phazon weaponry)

However, GFS Vahalla proves a further probelm, if teleportation was in GF hands, then the GFS Vahalla incident wouldn't have happened if teleportation was indeed possible.
 
GFS Olympus is weird. Beginning of the game they seem to be doing poorly, yet at the end of the game they defeat the entire Pirate Homeworld and the main thing Samus did there was take down the planetary shields, the fighting was left to the Federation. Then right after that they fight the Pirate forces above Phaaze.

The main deal about the Leviathans was that they could open Wormholes at any point in space. I think this makes it likely that the Federation can use Wormholes, they just need to be at certain points/in their own space in order to do it.
 
Actually, GFS Olympus had a lot more forces this time when raiding the Space Pirate Homeword (Kinda obvious since this is the main base of the enemies of the entire galatic federation. Additionally, it was both a sneak attack and by now the PED suits became mainstream, where as the pirates had already been heavily attacked by Samus (remember all the pirates you laid waste to, just getting there, additionally the other bounty hunter). Right afterwards, the acted more as a distraction til Samus got to the core and beat Dark Samus. Heck they didn't even land at Phazee, meaning that most of the forces were in space, enhancing their chances.

If so, then this just further disproves the idea that Samus used teleportation to get to the Tetra Galaxy, as it was in uncharted territories, meaning the Federation still couldn't do it. And in all honesty, (and no offence to anyone) it kinda seems you guys are grasping at straws here.
 
Additionally, it was both a sneak attack and by now the PED suits became mainstream

So exactly the same circumstances under which Olympus was attacked?

remember all the pirates you laid waste to, just getting there, additionally the other bounty hunter

You kill maybe 50-100 Pirates. That is nothing to the population of a military planet.

Right afterwards, the acted more as a distraction til Samus got to the core and beat Dark Samus. Heck they didn't even land at Phazee, meaning that most of the forces were in space, enhancing their chances.

They were fighting the Pirate Fleet above Phaaze with a weakened armada from after the battle with the Pirate Homeworld. I never said they fought Dark Samus themselves.

If so, then this just further disproves the idea that Samus used teleportation to get to the Tetra Galaxy, as it was in uncharted territories, meaning the Federation still couldn't do it.

Tetra Galaxy is also a galaxy, it's super far away and there's no harm in flying there max speed.
 
LordXcano said:
So exactly the same circumstances under which Olympus was attacked?

Actually, the pirates had become corrupted yes, but did not yet use the PED suit. Furthermore, their forces were split between the planet and Olympus.

You kill maybe 50-100 Pirates. That is nothing to the population of a military planet.

Said military planet would have lost a lot of life when Dark Samus had barely arrived, espically sinse the leviathan would have dealt extreme damage just getting there. And remember, the other bounty hunter was there for a month already, her kill count should be huge. Not to mention a enermous fraction of their forces went to the battle of Norion and occupied Elysia.

They were fighting the Pirate Fleet above Phaaze with a weakened armada from after the battle with the Pirate Homeworld. I never said they fought Dark Samus themselves.

I know, I'm just saying they were much more concetrated Then theres also the fact that the Federation had time to restore their resources, gain space pirate phazon, and its a sneak attack.

Tetra Galaxy is also a galaxy, it's super far away and there's no harm in flying there max speed.

Rangeing from asteroids to planetoids, stars to black holes, yes, yes there is a real threat to flying a max speeds, also weren't you trying to prove teleportation brought them there like the last post?
 
Yeah but I bailed (^':

Anyway I thought it over. The Ridley >= Samus' ship feat comes from MP2 right?
 
Feats contradict that though.

Aaaanyway. The ship from MP1 and MPH is not the same ship from MP2. The MP2 ship appears in, well, MP2 and M2. MP1 ship appears in MP1 and MPH.
 
Feats massively contradict that

Actually the feat comes from MP1 (Ridley being faster)... with the MFTL+ ship feat coming from MPH.
 
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